In your opinion do you believe world is about 6000 years old

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Fundaamental

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"Is It Really 430 Years?

Then there is the late Christian addition to the problem on the basis of Paul's statement in Galatians 3. There we find that a total of 430 years elapsed from the confirmation of the Abrahamic Covenant to the giving of the Law at Sinai immediately following the Exodus. The issue turns on when the confirmation of this Covenant was made. Some take the 430 years from Abraham's entry into Canaan at age 75. This subtracts 215 years from the Egyptian Sojourn, which in turn leaves only 215 years for their time in Egypt. That allows just 144 years from Joseph's death to the Exodus, Alternatively, others date the 430 years from the Circumcision Covenant when Abraham was 99. This deletes 191 years, leaving 239 years in Egypt, with 168 years from the death of Joseph to the Exodus.

Moses Had Egyptian Records Of Israel's Entry

However, these solutions to the problem contradict the words of the LORD to Abraham about 400 years of affliction under one nation. In fact they compound the problem since the Children of Israel were not afflicted during the reign of Joseph. Neither were Abraham, Isaac and Jacob afflicted in the Land of Canaan. There is also the problem of how 70 children of Israel became more than 2 million in just 150 years from Joseph's death to the Exodus numbering which is related to the number of Moses' cousins.

Additionally, Moses stated that the Exodus from Egypt occurred 'on the selfsame day ' that the children of Israel went in to Egypt. It would be difficult to pinpoint an exact day when Abraham entered into Canaan as one solution requires, and Canaan is not Egypt. Nor is Abraham to be confused with the Children of Israel. Remember! Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and had access to all extant records in Egypt. He would therefore be well aware of the precise time when Israel (Jacob) and his family arrived there.

What Did Paul Say In Galatians 3?

As stated in paragraph (e), the issue turns on when the Covenant was confirmed. The answer to the problem may be found by comparing Genesis 15 and 46:2-4 with Galatians 3:16-17. In Gal.3:16, the original covenant given to Abram in Genesis 15 is definitely in view. Indeed, Genesis 15:5 is quoted in Galatians 3:16. This was the one specific occasion when the Egyptian Sojourn and Exodus were promised. Galatians 3:17 goes on to refer to the CONFIRMATION of that Covenant, not to its original giving. There is only one other instance when God actually confirmed and restated these same Sojourn details with a patriarch as Galatians 3:17 requires.

The Covenant Sojourn Was Confirmed With Jacob

God appeared to Jacob on six occasions. God's sixth and final appearance to Jacob is recorded in Genesis 46:2-4, just as Israel was setting out from Canaan to go into Egypt. There the Egyptian Sojourn was confirmed, as was the making of a great nation, which would afterwards return to the Promised Land that Jacob was leaving. This was the same as God's original Promise to Abraham. Consequently, this was the required confirmation of that Promise to Jacob (Israel). The Galatian text states that this confirmation was given 430 years before the reception of the Law at Sinai, just after the Exodus. On this basis, the Sojourn indeed lasts 430 years exactly. God's statement to Abraham, the plain record of Moses, and Paul's Galatian comments are then in entire harmony."
you've done a lot more research into this then I have 😊

I do have a lot of interest in this
But can I ask what age of the earth from adam to now do you favour the most based on all your studies.
 

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you've done a lot more research into this then I have 😊

I do have a lot of interest in this
But can I ask what age of the earth from adam to now do you favour the most based on all your studies.
Why dont you do your own study starting at Genesis 5. Everythng you need is available to determine their birth, death, and the son that carried the generational line. Then the real questions begin like why were there no months or days given, and why the orthodox jews believe they were only in Egypt today for 215 years. Keep in mind these same jews wrote and use the Masorectic text today as all english bibles use. They dont believe their own text written about 900 AD about the years in Egypt but there is a reason they dont want it known.
 

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Why dont you do your own study starting at Genesis 5. Everythng you need is available to determine their birth, death, and the son that carried the generational line. Then the real questions begin like why were there no months or days given, and why the orthodox jews believe they were only in Egypt today for 215 years. Keep in mind these same jews wrote and use the Masorectic text today as all english bibles use. They dont believe their own text written about 900 AD about the years in Egypt but there is a reason they dont want it known.
My general feeling is the earth has aged a lot more than people realise

I may study the age of earth from Adam based on dates from adam,
But my heart is unsure to do so

The main reason being I could be wrong.

I love the idea of a rapture but I am afraid to do a full study à complete study of why pretribers believe what they do.

Because why

Well again I could end up believing something that may not be true.
 

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My general feeling is the earth has aged a lot more than people realise

I may study the age of earth from Adam based on dates from adam,
But my heart is unsure to do so

The main reason being I could be wrong.

I love the idea of a rapture but I am afraid to do a full study à complete study of why pretribers believe what they do.

Because why

Well again I could end up believing something that may not be true.
About the premill rapture, is not the Tribulation for those who are unrighteous, but out of the tribulation there are those who will be saved and in comparison Take Hebrews 9:28---

28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

This is one of the reasons I believe in a pre-mill rapture before the tribulation
 

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About the premill rapture, is not the Tribulation for those who are unrighteous, but out of the tribulation there are those who will be saved and in comparison Take Hebrews 9:28---

28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

This is one of the reasons I believe in a pre-mill rapture before the tribulation
my general belief is when Christ returns it will last a Thousand years, tribulation for me is allready here and has been for quite some time.

The prophecies indicate past present and future regarding tribulation.

Tribulation could have started from Adam.

The tribulation period could be 6000 years.

Jesus indicates the tribulation periods gets far worse befor his return or that Satan will be let lose.

He's been loose for quite some time

But at what date he became loose is also up for debate.
 

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My general feeling is the earth has aged a lot more than people realise

I may study the age of earth from Adam based on dates from adam,
But my heart is unsure to do so

The main reason being I could be wrong.

I love the idea of a rapture but I am afraid to do a full study à complete study of why pretribers believe what they do.

Because why

Well again I could end up believing something that may not be true.
The pre-trib rapture? True beyond a shadow of a doubt. And one of the most iron-clad provable doctrines in all of the Bible.
 

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my general belief is when Christ returns it will last a Thousand years, tribulation for me is allready here and has been for quite some time.

The prophecies indicate past present and future regarding tribulation.

Tribulation could have started from Adam.

The tribulation period could be 6000 years.

Jesus indicates the tribulation periods gets far worse befor his return or that Satan will be let lose.

He's been loose for quite some time

But at what date he became loose is also up for debate.
Your views are too far out of touch for me to discuss things any farther. Your journey just beginning
 

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My general feeling is the earth has aged a lot more than people realise

I may study the age of earth from Adam based on dates from adam,
But my heart is unsure to do so

The main reason being I could be wrong.

I love the idea of a rapture but I am afraid to do a full study à complete study of why pretribers believe what they do.

Because why

Well again I could end up believing something that may not be true.
Furthermore......SUMMING the ages of the Patriarchs (except where a direct father-son relationship is noted) brings us back to about 11,000 BC for the creation of Adam.

I really do think that there are probably "gaps" in the genealogies, so it could be another 5 or 10,000 years before that. Nobody knows for sure.

Furthermore, all of the massively CATASTROPIC (and extremely RAPID at that) geological history can be very easily stuffed into
15 or 20,000 years no problem. Maybe even 11,000 years...............but that is a tight fit.

But the kicker is Genesis 1:2. The fall of Satan and subsequent war in heaven seems to have wreaked havoc on the solar system. Big time. And probably rapidly. So deducing ages based on planets, orbits, moons, asteroids and craters etc. is sheer folly. We don't know if the duration of this destructive war lasted a week or 5000 years. Or even happened at all. But I do suspect that Gen 1:2 DOES indeed indicate the fall of Satan and his host.
 

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Your views are too far out of touch for me to discuss things any farther. Your journey just beginning
I would say when Jesus returns, his ministering saint will return with him.

Who are those ministering saints.

Well there's the 144000 saints in heaven

Then there's the 24 elders

If you divide 6000 by 24 elders you get 144000.

This could indicate how long the tribulation period lasts befor the return of the lord 6000 years from Adam or from when Satan was loose.
 
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I easily within 40 minutes calculated book of Acts 450 + Samuel + Saul + David + Solomons 3 years = 483 years.

Cv5, is 63 years missing data3, but really only 50 years and the TANAKH revealed the missing 50 years.

Just proves the Septuagint is still Satan's Bible full of missing Truths!!
 

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I easily within 40 minutes calculated book of Acts 450 + Samuel + Saul + David + Solomons 3 years = 483 years.

Cv5, is 63 years missing data3, but really only 50 years and the TANAKH revealed the missing 50 years.

Just proves the Septuagint is still Satan's Bible full of missing Truths!!
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look at your Abraham birth date. only the BLIND will accept the crap you presented!

tell barry he's off his rocker!
 
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of course, barry promotes the Spetuagint. so, tell SATAN, he is off his rocker!
 
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Is the Septuagint the same as the Tanakh?

The Septuagint does not consist of a single, unified corpus. Rather, it is a collection of ancient translations of the Tanakh, along with other Jewish texts that are now commonly referred to as apocrypha.

What does apocrypha mean?
apocrypha, (from Greek apokryptein, “to hide away”), in biblical literature, works outside an accepted canon of scripture. The history of the term's usage indicates that it referred to a body of esoteric writings that were at first prized, later tolerated, and finally excluded.

What is Esoteric Writings?

a personal interpretation!
 
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that's Satan's preferred Bible!

you know, the ONE, without any TRUTH in it!
 

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Furthermore......SUMMING the ages of the Patriarchs (except where a direct father-son relationship is noted) brings us back to about 11,000 BC for the creation of Adam.

I really do think that there are probably "gaps" in the genealogies, so it could be another 5 or 10,000 years before that. Nobody knows for sure.

Furthermore, all of the massively CATASTROPIC (and extremely RAPID at that) geological history can be very easily stuffed into
15 or 20,000 years no problem. Maybe even 11,000 years...............but that is a tight fit.

But the kicker is Genesis 1:2. The fall of Satan and subsequent war in heaven seems to have wreaked havoc on the solar system. Big time. And probably rapidly. So deducing ages based on planets, orbits, moons, asteroids and craters etc. is sheer folly. We don't know if the duration of this destructive war lasted a week or 5000 years. Or even happened at all. But I do suspect that Gen 1:2 DOES indeed indicate the fall of Satan and his host.
scripture also indicates the fall of satan at mount Sinai
 
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here is the FACT!

in the year 1536 of Creation (2225 BCE), when G‑d first foretold the events that would come to pass.

The ark took Noah no less than 120 years to build

in the year 1656 (2105 BCE), On the seventeenth day of the Hebrew month of Cheshvan, rain began to fall.

The downpour continued for forty days and forty nights

Finally, the rain subsided, but the waters continued to churn for an additional 150 days.

Finally, on the first day of the Hebrew month of Tishrei of the year 1657 (2104 BCE), the water completely subsided. Close to two months later, on the twenty-seventh of Cheshvan, the ground fully dried, allowing Noah and the rest of the ark’s inhabitants to emerge.

The total time Noah spent in the ark was 365 days (one solar year; one year and 11 days on the lunar calendar).




NOW, let's address another FALLACY of YOURS!

You claim Abraham is born 2322! that's because your Version of the Bible says Terah was 130 years old when Abram was born

Abraham (who was first called Abram) was born in the year 1948 after Creation (1813 BCE)

26 And Terah lived seventy years, and he begot Abram, Nahor, and Haran. כווַֽיְחִי־תֶ֖רַח שִׁבְעִ֣ים שָׁנָ֑ה וַיּ֨וֹלֶד֙ אֶת־אַבְרָ֔ם אֶת־נָח֖וֹר וְאֶת־הָרָֽן:
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EVEN your CRAPPY Version lists this:
26 Terah was 70 years old, when he became the father of Abram, Nahor, and Haran.
 
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cv5,
i just discovered something.

when you used Abraham in your Date, did you apply the 65 years where your Bible claims Terah was 130 years old when he had Abram?

i am being told this is the process. so i need to push Abraham's date back to that point and then minus 65 which leaves 2107. odd.
 
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if we say Terah was 130:
Abram basically born around 1750

really, either way works.