Ukraine the bad guy?

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Fundaamental

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nuclear-war-5-billion-people-starvation-deaths-study/

Nuclear war between the U.S. and Russia would kill more than 5 billion people – just from starvation, study finds

If you have a nuclear war you will have all the electric grids go down, as a result of that you will have looting, riots and collapse of society. As a result of these two things you will see some nuclear power plants begin to meltdown. Soon they all will.

It doesn't matter if they have their own generators. Who is going to deliver the diesel fuel without pumps working, without shipping and without truck drivers being able to drive a truck that doesn't get jacked?

Without gas and diesel being shipped, trucked or pumped you will see all transportation collapse and then all the large cities will starve to death.

It looks to me like your estimate is about 1% of reality.

Again, no electricity means no refrigeration. No gas and oil means farming and harvesting done by hand.

We are talking about massive starvation worldwide. Even countries in Africa and South America that might not be killed by the radiation will die from the starvation.
yes after the war, more will die, but not sure it would be 5 billion

Radioactive fall out
Starvation
Deformities
Genealogical defects at birth.

But the initial war at first if they fired all 200 nukes at once, would be 25 million at first. If they where all fired all at once, the research is based on the largest amount of area area 200 nukes could cover in the most populated, that's what the research suggests.
 

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Think again. Your numbers are waaaayyy off. Israel ALONE is estimated to be holding 75-400 nukes.

The payload of RS-28 can be 10X 1 megaton or 15X 3/4 megaton MIRVs.

Such a payload and MIRV "shotgun effect" can have one missile utterly and completely destroy any city on earth completely.
Including suburbs and surrounding areas. You are looking first strike @ 100 million immediate casualties. That is first strike only.

RS-28 Sarmat - Wikipedia
well I am only basing my research of one place upto now, but it did seem a credible one.
 

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yes after the war, more will die, but not sure it would be 5 billion

Radioactive fall out
Starvation
Deformities
Genealogical defects at birth.

But the initial war at first if they fired all 200 nukes at once, would be 25 million at first. If they where all fired all at once, the research is based on the largest amount of area area 200 nukes could cover in the most populated, that's what the research suggests.
Not any research I have seen.
 

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Prigozhin says it's over: "They were going to dismantle PMC Wagner. We came out on 23 June to the March of Justice. In a day, we walked to nearly 200km away from Moscow. In this time, we did not spill a single drop of blood of our fighters. Now, the moment has come when blood may spill. That’s why, understanding the responsibility for spilling Russian blood on one of the sides, we are turning back our convoys and going back to field camps according to the plan." Audio: https://t.me/concordgroup_official/1303
 

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Might be over folks.....MAYBE. Time will tell.....
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Ria Novosti: "Prigozhin accepted Lukashenka's proposal to stop the Wagner movement in Russia and take further steps to de-escalate tensions, the press service of the Belarusian President reported."
 

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Not any research I have seen.
an estimated 40.000 people where killed instantly when the first nuke at Hiroshima was dropped.

Given how nukes have probably advanced since then, I think 120.000 people being killed instantly per nuke is a reasonable, estimate ,
 

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Might be over folks.....MAYBE. Time will tell.....
Dmitri

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Ria Novosti: "Prigozhin accepted Lukashenka's proposal to stop the Wagner movement in Russia and take further steps to de-escalate tensions, the press service of the Belarusian President reported."
yeah the thought had crossed my mind
 

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Theoretically speaking: "In other words, the stage was set and the actors played their assigned roles, and there will now be war-hawks in charge of the Russian military, and a full blown assault on Ukraine shall commence shortly."

William Wallace, PhD

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Dyumin is negotiating on behalf of the authorities with Prigozhin and Utkin. Ultimatum: abandon the idea of going to Moscow. In response: PMC security guarantees to Wagner. Also a promise to resolve the issue of Shoigu and Gerasimov.
 

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Research suggest USA and Russia have over 1000 nukes each.

But there only maintaing 100 at most each at any one time.

So basically they can't fire a nuke that hasn't been maintained.

Same for Isreal there probably only maintaining 100 nukes at most at anyone time.

The whole thing is propaganda designed to scare people.
 

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Translated.....to English from Russian.
So what is going on here really? Cleaning the Augean stables of the oligarchs and Putin's adversaries?

Fisherman
❗️🇷🇺🖇💀If the Wagner PMC mutiny is a large-scale PsyOPS, then what are the goals?

Let's imagine the situation in a spherical vacuum.

Let's say the entire "march of justice" is coordinated from start to finish - this is a multi-stage psychological operation, thought out to achieve certain goals.

We all know very well that ipso and psyops are not the strong point of the Russian Federation and law enforcement agencies. But then a miracle happens, let's say, hypothetically, and psyops happens.

▪️It does not begin yesterday: from the very moment when calls are made to "Give shells to the Wagners." At the same time, the degree of hysteria against Shoigu and Gerasimov, who act as lightning rods, and Prigozhin as a catalyst for relieving social tension, is increasing.

▪️A narrow list of initiated persons knows about this. Most of the officials are in the dark. The Supreme, inshallah, knows about it (or not for greater plausibility). The goal is to move one of the "towers", as they say in Russian domestic political realities.

▪️Real facts are interspersed with emotions. But in general, the main thing is to create the impression that turmoil is brewing in the Russian Federation. PMCs and Prigozhin seem to be doing it.

▪️The formal trigger is a fake strike on PMC camps on June 23. After that, Prigogine announces to the whole world about the coup, the collection of columns, the movement, reports on every step. So that everyone can hear how serious everything is.

▪️Middle and junior officials are not aware of what is happening. Target designations are not lowered from above: throwing begins on the principle of "keep silent", "forbid", "do not react". A kind of chaos begins. The Supreme Commander speaks out and says that he is against the instigators of the coup, without naming names.

▪️The "march of justice" begins. All day, troops scurry back and forth, individual commanders give orders to strike at PMCs, PMCs hit back, shoot down boards, limited hostilities on their territory.

▪️There is turmoil all day, Prigozhin is denigrated, followed by Zelensky, Khodorkovsky and company. In the Russian Federation, all prominent LOMs and figures express support for the Supreme Commander-in-Chief and condemn the rebellion.

▪️Individual business figures are beginning to withdraw assets (and themselves) from the country. Representatives of the elite on private planes are fleeing Moscow.

▪️By the evening, when it already seems that the Internet is about to be turned off, and a coup will take place in the country. But given the apparent reluctance of law enforcement officers to go into conflict with the Wagners, a miracle happens, Lukashenka negotiates with Prigozhin on "the most favorable terms." Prigozhin declares that PMCs "according to plan" are returning to training camps in the LPR.

🔻There are many questions about the action taking place. Our comrades from the Revenge of Goodwill channel they are betting on the fact that Dyumin and Matovnikov will be appointed to the post of Minister and the General Staff - well, we will see how it will be in the coming days.

But if Shoigu and Gerasimov are removed, they will only be sent to honorable retirement. There is no need to be deceived in this. If everything that happens is just such a large-scale "psyops", then there is no main goal. And "cheer up" the Ukrainians, and remove the Ministry of Defense from the NHS, and move the oligarchy. And it will be those who twitched and ran away today who will be knocked down.

It is sad that Russian pilots and military personnel have become a bargaining chip in this process. However, when there are operations of this level, casualties are inevitable.

*all characters and events are fictional, any coincidences are accidental
 

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Yup....right were they are needed. How convenient and perfect timing huh?

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ACCORDING TO AGREEMENT: PMC WAGNER WILL BE STATIONED IN BELARUS TO DEFEND BORDER AGAINST POLAND *
 

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Could be that Russia has plans for the war to come to an end,

And there wasn't any agreement in place to protect the Wagner group afterwards, hence why the Wagner group where planning a coup.
 

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Yup....right were they are needed. How convenient and perfect timing huh?

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ACCORDING TO AGREEMENT: PMC WAGNER WILL BE STATIONED IN BELARUS TO DEFEND BORDER AGAINST POLAND *
And a very tidy mopping up afterward. All in less than 48 hours. Simply too good to be true huh?

  • charges dropped against Prigozhin, who will leave Russia for Belarus
  • Wagner fighters who didn't take part in the uprising will sign contracts with the MOD
  • Wagner fighters who did take part not charged
  • No word on potential MOD leadership changes
 

Fundaamental

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I would say so something iffy about it.

Time will tell I guess.

It's definitely gained a lot of media attention

That's generally how terrorists opperate
 

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Apparently a deal was struck and Prigozhin is supposed to head towards the Belarus border. (We'll see if they do)

It doesn't matter...the damage is done. Russia has been shown to be a paper/straw tiger...not a real scary adversary. The people joining Wagner and cheering Wagner? A HUGE problem for Putin.

There's a lot of stuff going to happen because of this.
 

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Apparently a deal was struck and Prigozhin is supposed to head towards the Belarus border. (We'll see if they do)

It doesn't matter...the damage is done. Russia has been shown to be a paper/straw tiger...not a real scary adversary. The people joining Wagner and cheering Wagner? A HUGE problem for Putin.

There's a lot of stuff going to happen because of this.
Such as a plausible reason for imminent escalation of hostilities against Ukraine? And Prigozhin, Shoigu and Gerazimov sail away into the sunset with a full retirement? And Putin walks away from this smelling like a rose with a ton of political capitol into an election?

Are you getting your analysis out of a crackerjack box?
 

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Apparently a deal was struck and Prigozhin is supposed to head towards the Belarus border. (We'll see if they do)

It doesn't matter...the damage is done. Russia has been shown to be a paper/straw tiger...not a real scary adversary. The people joining Wagner and cheering Wagner? A HUGE problem for Putin.

There's a lot of stuff going to happen because of this.
Maskirovka kabuki theater start to finish? Or maybe Wagner feigned a coup just long enough for the CIA check to clear?

Forgot to mention: Prigozhin sent to Russias best ally to re-build a neo Wagner 2.0 with his 5000 core loyalists........next door to Poland. While Russia is gifted with tens of thousands of battle hardened Wagner mercs. Putin now has martial law powers and has/will smoke out the traitors.

The chess pieces are moving rapidly.....and somebody is winning.