Ukraine the bad guy?

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OK I see that our resident troll is out to lunch, so here is some astute analysis......
Which is similar to other estimates that I have encountered.

It will take Kiev 117 years to regain control of the lost territories at the current rate of advance....
- American journalist Seymour Hersh
How many Ukrainians died because at this rate it seems all the Ukrainian men will be gone in a year.
 

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"We will do whatever we can to support Ukraine's effort for democracy"

"Democracy must prevail"

"Let's help Ukraine win this fight for democracy"

"It is a battle for freedom and democracy"

"They are showing the world what an existential fight for democracy looks like"

"We are unequivocally with the Ukrainian people for their fight to remain a sovereign democracy"

Zelensky CANCELS elections in Ukraine

https://audioboom.com/posts/8302112...s-massive-attack-redacted-with-clayton-morris
 

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Good news for the yellow and blue

https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/AGapFbl9oWwrZJ-EaAMNQO14oH4

Our money collected for Social Security is being sent to pay off pensions of Ukrainians. You may think, hold on I thought Social Security is close to bankrupt? Yep, that is why we need to send the money now, who knows how much longer before Social Security is bankrupt.

So for all of you supporters of the yellow and blue, kudos for sending your retirement savings to help the Ukrainians, it is a selfless thing that you have done. As for those of you who did not agree to this I would just point out that elections have consequences and stolen elections have catastrophic consequences.
 

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Good news for the yellow and blue

https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/AGapFbl9oWwrZJ-EaAMNQO14oH4

Our money collected for Social Security is being sent to pay off pensions of Ukrainians. You may think, hold on I thought Social Security is close to bankrupt? Yep, that is why we need to send the money now, who knows how much longer before Social Security is bankrupt.

So for all of you supporters of the yellow and blue, kudos for sending your retirement savings to help the Ukrainians, it is a selfless thing that you have done. As for those of you who did not agree to this I would just point out that elections have consequences and stolen elections have catastrophic consequences.
funny , all the people whining about the student debt thing, you tell them this, they glaze over...
 
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OK I see that our resident troll is out to lunch, so here is some astute analysis......
Which is similar to other estimates that I have encountered.

It will take Kiev 117 years to regain control of the lost territories at the current rate of advance....
- American journalist Seymour Hersh
How long will it take for the Russians to take Kyiv at that rate?
 

JohnDB

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How long will it take for the Russians to take Kyiv at that rate?
Look,
The main body of fighting Ukranian troops have not engaged the Russian forces yet. Only the equivalent of American "Ranger" battalions have been fighting so far. (Which is only two battalions) These guys have done an incredible job at this point taking more ground back from the Russians than the Russians have gained in the past 12 months. For an asymmetrical warfare situation Ukraine is doing an incredible job...far far beyond what anyone expected of them.

Currently there are 15 battalions in the Ukrainian Armed forces. Likely 4 or 5 will be held in reserve....

But the current two battalions have been drawing the Russian rear troops to the front line...and eliminating them. Creating a hollow backfield. These Russians have created a huge, complex system of trenches and bunkers. Lots of entrenched artillery and defensive capabilities and positions....which only work if you have troops...or troops that know how to use them. (Which Russia is rapidly running out of)

The "mobiks" or drafted troops aren't given extensive training or even equipment except for rifles. Ill equipped and ill prepared troops won't stand up to these Ukrainians at all.

The biggest issue right now that the Ukranians are having is the extensive number of landmines....there are lots of them. Tank and personnel mines everywhere. This alone is what is holding up the Ukranians. Clearing a narrow path for everyone to follow through the minefields let's everyone know you are coming and then reduces you to a specific path....making targeting by the Russians easy with their artillery or mortars. (But there is such things as counter battery fire....meaning if they don't move after firing (which they usually don't) then Ukranians do fire artillery back at the Russian artillery....except by the time the Ukranians artillery lands and Russian artillery is blowing up the Ukranians have already left the area. (Counter battery fire for Russia isn't working out so well)
 
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There's no need to even play Russia's game at trying to defend their mocking the Ukrainians who are already the underdog. This is Unholy Russia trying desperately to deny the truth that their enemy is even God divine. The war is no longer just in Ukraine. The Holy Russian Revolution has begun dramatically. Evil Russia have a righteousrebel army occupying parts of Belgorod and they're entrenched now there and have survived for a month which many people conveniently ignore! Simultaneously sabotage and accidents of a divine nature are striking all over Russia, even deep into it, this is important because not even CIA who the conspirers fear have such ability to pull this off in such a big scope, which means that this is a genuine indicator of an oraganic internal rebellion activity against Wicked Putin by Russians themselves that choose to not be excommunicated from the body of Christ nor to flee from the land of their inheritance. We also of course still see the Prigozhin drama, and now the Mad Tsar purging Surovikin one of his other veteran generals, and possibly some purges within the middle ranks which have already been decimated largely during the war.

Jesus power is seen twofold remember; he strengthens the good guys, Ukraine, the defenders, the underdogs, against like most everyone's estimates and odds, and simultaneously Wicked Russia is being torn apart not just on the battlefield with Ukraine, but internally too and scaling throughout the society, the entire spiritual principality; the common people, the soldiers, the boyars, and even insane Putin himself. Even beyond Putin his puppet state of Belarus where aging Lukashenko who was near fatally sick just in May, is now furtherly embroiled in the spreading waves of war, intrigues, and holy revolution.

This is just clear indicator that not only is Jesus divine and living and fighting actively, but that actually Jesus is strong as well, such events are historic of nature, feats of both success for the good guys, Ukraine, in fight an army so much massively their size on paper and history and suffering casualities though dramatic estimated at about 50,000 killed, that they have managed to kill three times as many Russian orcs and wound just as many more and win major battles beynd all hope such as the battle of Kiev, and to contineu the valiant defense of Battle of Bakhmut even to this day with good gains towards ultimately winning thislong battle. Don't shy away though or neglect to observe and praise Jesus for the utter calamity for the bad guys, Unholy Russia though. The likes of which not seen since at least the Korean War and approaching quickly the levels of WW2, and the level of God's Hand being directly involved being on the level of the calamities of Pharaoh of Egypt. PRAISE JESUS he will win this war, is winning this war, and he will end it on his terms, not America's terms, and not Putin's terms, and he will be victorious and Unholy Russia will be destroyed in totality as a spiritual principality.

Russia itself needs not neccessarily be occupied by foreign forces nor broken apart like the Wicked USSR, but if they will rise up in Holy Revolution and themselves put Putin and his boyars away, and resanctifiy their evil public who are as corrupt and whorish as and thuggish as they claim anyone else is, then they can be savedas a political unit, only Unholy Russia must die and be sanctified off the face of the Earth in blood and fir and therefore become clean; Holy Russia. Personally this is what I hope they would choos,e but Russia is also incredibly evil if we are really honest with ourselves, and especially Putin and even his boyars, they did after all start this war based on lies, so I cannot choose for them to sanctify themselves, but they must choose this. Either way Unholy Russia is certainly doomedas a spiritual principality and it will not survive this war, no matter how God deigns to destroy them, they have already gone too far hence them reaping such calamity as they sowed by their lies, the Unholy Russia spiritual principality must fall, PRAISE JESUS!

 

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Look,
The main body of fighting Ukranian troops have not engaged the Russian forces yet. Only the equivalent of American "Ranger" battalions have been fighting so far. (Which is only two battalions) These guys have done an incredible job at this point taking more ground back from the Russians than the Russians have gained in the past 12 months. For an asymmetrical warfare situation Ukraine is doing an incredible job...far far beyond what anyone expected of them.

Currently there are 15 battalions in the Ukrainian Armed forces. Likely 4 or 5 will be held in reserve....

But the current two battalions have been drawing the Russian rear troops to the front line...and eliminating them. Creating a hollow backfield. These Russians have created a huge, complex system of trenches and bunkers. Lots of entrenched artillery and defensive capabilities and positions....which only work if you have troops...or troops that know how to use them. (Which Russia is rapidly running out of)

The "mobiks" or drafted troops aren't given extensive training or even equipment except for rifles. Ill equipped and ill prepared troops won't stand up to these Ukrainians at all.

The biggest issue right now that the Ukranians are having is the extensive number of landmines....there are lots of them. Tank and personnel mines everywhere. This alone is what is holding up the Ukranians. Clearing a narrow path for everyone to follow through the minefields let's everyone know you are coming and then reduces you to a specific path....making targeting by the Russians easy with their artillery or mortars. (But there is such things as counter battery fire....meaning if they don't move after firing (which they usually don't) then Ukranians do fire artillery back at the Russian artillery....except by the time the Ukranians artillery lands and Russian artillery is blowing up the Ukranians have already left the area. (Counter battery fire for Russia isn't working out so well)
15 battalions = apx 10,000 troops. These are not full strength battalions. The front is well over 1000 miles long. The Russian have dug in deeply with several lines of defense. The attrition rate is somewhere around 10:1 in favor of the Russians. There is little to no AD supporting the AFU. The Russians have hundreds of thousand of troops in reserve.

You do the math. This war will not last the summer because there will be no more Ukrainians remaining to fight it.

In fact, anyone with an IQ higher than room temperature who is not bribed and not a flake addict and not a comedian would never have allowed this war to start in the first place.
 

cv5

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There's no need to even play Russia's game at trying to defend their mocking the Ukrainians who are already the underdog. This is Unholy Russia trying desperately to deny the truth that their enemy is even God divine. The war is no longer just in Ukraine. The Holy Russian Revolution has begun dramatically. Evil Russia have a righteousrebel army occupying parts of Belgorod and they're entrenched now there and have survived for a month which many people conveniently ignore! Simultaneously sabotage and accidents of a divine nature are striking all over Russia, even deep into it, this is important because not even CIA who the conspirers fear have such ability to pull this off in such a big scope, which means that this is a genuine indicator of an oraganic internal rebellion activity against Wicked Putin by Russians themselves that choose to not be excommunicated from the body of Christ nor to flee from the land of their inheritance. We also of course still see the Prigozhin drama, and now the Mad Tsar purging Surovikin one of his other veteran generals, and possibly some purges within the middle ranks which have already been decimated largely during the war.

Jesus power is seen twofold remember; he strengthens the good guys, Ukraine, the defenders, the underdogs, against like most everyone's estimates and odds, and simultaneously Wicked Russia is being torn apart not just on the battlefield with Ukraine, but internally too and scaling throughout the society, the entire spiritual principality; the common people, the soldiers, the boyars, and even insane Putin himself. Even beyond Putin his puppet state of Belarus where aging Lukashenko who was near fatally sick just in May, is now furtherly embroiled in the spreading waves of war, intrigues, and holy revolution.

This is just clear indicator that not only is Jesus divine and living and fighting actively, but that actually Jesus is strong as well, such events are historic of nature, feats of both success for the good guys, Ukraine, in fight an army so much massively their size on paper and history and suffering casualities though dramatic estimated at about 50,000 killed, that they have managed to kill three times as many Russian orcs and wound just as many more and win major battles beynd all hope such as the battle of Kiev, and to contineu the valiant defense of Battle of Bakhmut even to this day with good gains towards ultimately winning thislong battle. Don't shy away though or neglect to observe and praise Jesus for the utter calamity for the bad guys, Unholy Russia though. The likes of which not seen since at least the Korean War and approaching quickly the levels of WW2, and the level of God's Hand being directly involved being on the level of the calamities of Pharaoh of Egypt. PRAISE JESUS he will win this war, is winning this war, and he will end it on his terms, not America's terms, and not Putin's terms, and he will be victorious and Unholy Russia will be destroyed in totality as a spiritual principality.

Russia itself needs not neccessarily be occupied by foreign forces nor broken apart like the Wicked USSR, but if they will rise up in Holy Revolution and themselves put Putin and his boyars away, and resanctifiy their evil public who are as corrupt and whorish as and thuggish as they claim anyone else is, then they can be savedas a political unit, only Unholy Russia must die and be sanctified off the face of the Earth in blood and fir and therefore become clean; Holy Russia. Personally this is what I hope they would choos,e but Russia is also incredibly evil if we are really honest with ourselves, and especially Putin and even his boyars, they did after all start this war based on lies, so I cannot choose for them to sanctify themselves, but they must choose this. Either way Unholy Russia is certainly doomedas a spiritual principality and it will not survive this war, no matter how God deigns to destroy them, they have already gone too far hence them reaping such calamity as they sowed by their lies, the Unholy Russia spiritual principality must fall, PRAISE JESUS!

Russia could effortlessly Kinzhal ALL Ukrainian decision making centers tomorrow if they wanted to.
It is for good reason that Z has abandoned the country. Probably permanently in due time.
 

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Look,
The main body of fighting Ukranian troops have not engaged the Russian forces yet. Only the equivalent of American "Ranger" battalions have been fighting so far. (Which is only two battalions) These guys have done an incredible job at this point taking more ground back from the Russians than the Russians have gained in the past 12 months. For an asymmetrical warfare situation Ukraine is doing an incredible job...far far beyond what anyone expected of them.

Currently there are 15 battalions in the Ukrainian Armed forces. Likely 4 or 5 will be held in reserve....

But the current two battalions have been drawing the Russian rear troops to the front line...and eliminating them. Creating a hollow backfield. These Russians have created a huge, complex system of trenches and bunkers. Lots of entrenched artillery and defensive capabilities and positions....which only work if you have troops...or troops that know how to use them. (Which Russia is rapidly running out of)

The "mobiks" or drafted troops aren't given extensive training or even equipment except for rifles. Ill equipped and ill prepared troops won't stand up to these Ukrainians at all.

The biggest issue right now that the Ukranians are having is the extensive number of landmines....there are lots of them. Tank and personnel mines everywhere. This alone is what is holding up the Ukranians. Clearing a narrow path for everyone to follow through the minefields let's everyone know you are coming and then reduces you to a specific path....making targeting by the Russians easy with their artillery or mortars. (But there is such things as counter battery fire....meaning if they don't move after firing (which they usually don't) then Ukranians do fire artillery back at the Russian artillery....except by the time the Ukranians artillery lands and Russian artillery is blowing up the Ukranians have already left the area. (Counter battery fire for Russia isn't working out so well)
The Ukrainians are being slaughtered. It is wicked what the west is doing.

Incredibly like Vietnam.
 

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15 battalions = apx 10,000 troops. These are not full strength battalions. The front is well over 1000 miles long. The Russian have dug in deeply with several lines of defense. The attrition rate is somewhere around 10:1 in favor of the Russians. There is little to no AD supporting the AFU. The Russians have hundreds of thousand of troops in reserve.

You do the math. This war will not last the summer because there will be no more Ukrainians remaining to fight it.

In fact, anyone with an IQ higher than room temperature who is not bribed and not a flake addict and not a comedian would never have allowed this war to start in the first place.
The Russians are playing cat and mouse, they withdraw from a town or village, wait for the Ukrainians to storm in all cock-a-hoop with their photoshoots, then the Russians close in for the kill.
 

JohnDB

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The Ukrainians are being slaughtered. It is wicked what the west is doing.

Incredibly like Vietnam.
Exactly who is it that is actually killing Ukranians? They can stop at any time and live peaceful lives.
It's not the first time that their lives have been so devalued. Holomodor?
 

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Exactly who is it that is actually killing Ukranians? They can stop at any time and live peaceful lives.
It's not the first time that their lives have been so devalued. Holomodor?
All they had to do was abide with the Minkst accord which they along with Germany and France signed up to with the Russians.

The Russians do not want US military on their border ... why would they? Staying neutral was part of the agreement when Russia granted them independence.
 
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Some seem to imagine that Russia is justified in waging war against Ukraine. I would like to know what nation is squeaky clean enough to point the finger at supposedly evil Ukraine. When I look at a country, my first thought is, would I like to live there? Would I prefer America to China? I've not visited China, but I know enough to say that I would rather live in America. It's far from perfect, but you can vote out the administration if you don't like it. Or can be bothered voting.

Would I prefer Russia to Ukraine? No. As has been said, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Putin has entrenched himself in power and who can dislodge him?

America has its own problems. If God is using Russia to punish Ukraine, then watch out Americans. You are no better than Ukraine. China is your nemesis. And Australia will be caught up in the conflict as well.
This bears being reposted, the OP of this topic since all have come a long way through the Russian dread Winter and the Ukrainian Spring and are nearing our own July 4th indeed though America is not in the war, we have contributed significantly as a faithful ally and faithful to our words and promises to Ukraine, which same promises be mindful are the same ones Evil Russia transgressed, how their word means nothing. Cliche' as it is, months later, would you believe all these questions and musings could be answered, and that the answer, especially to the question of dislodging Wicked Putin, and even his entire principality, is indeed a Living God named Jesus?

We see proofs daily that God destroys Unholy Russia on one hand so highly that for them really they have not seen losses like this since the Russian Revolution that inaugurated their Evil principality (Ephesians 6:12). By the might of the other hand our God is like a strong shield and sends winds of refreshments to the Good Guys of Ukraine. The one and only True and Fatihful God will simultaenously defend the Truth and slaughter the servants of the Liar. Indeed to the last point, watch and know all nations that there is indeed a God that is real and alive and active and powerful and strong and an avenger of the good guys and a bane of the villains; both a faithful defender; an unconquerable warrior and even a third, an infallible strategist, he is even Jesus, and he will win this war and you will not be able to deny that he is God when you see him wipe Unholy Russia, Serfdom Of Satan, out of existence in its entirety even into the spiritual realm. Ukraine also will be defended and will not succumb to be victims again to Wicked Russia's intent to enslave them, especially for a bunch of lies for Jesus shall save them. PRAISE JESUS!

 

JohnDB

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All they had to do was abide with the Minkst accord which they along with Germany and France signed up to with the Russians.

The Russians do not want US military on their border ... why would they? Staying neutral was part of the agreement when Russia granted them independence.
All that you have just said has been disavowed by Putin AND Prigozhin both.

The internet world was kinda shocked when they reversed themselves and revealed that they had been lying the whole time. I guess you didn't catch that.
Even Russians aren't sure why they are having an SMO anymore. They just know that they are....
 

cv5

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Exactly who is it that is actually killing Ukranians?
Evidently, everybody in the universe knows other than you. Tragic.
It's not the first time that their lives have been so devalued. Holomodor?
300,000+ dead Ukrainians who died in this proxy war amounts to a neo-Holodomor to anybody paying attention.

End this war. Now. Immediate peace negotiations with no pre-conditions. Shut it all down.
 

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Evidently, everybody in the universe knows other than you. Tragic.

300,000+ dead Ukrainians who died in this proxy war amounts to a neo-Holodomor to anybody paying attention.

End this war. Now. Immediate peace negotiations with no pre-conditions. Shut it all down.
What world do you live in? Your method was tried with Adolf Hitler. It failed. All that happened was Hitler was emboldened to take over most of Europe. Only the UK held out. You really think that Putin wants peace? He's already stated what he wants. He wants the USSR to be reformed. He cares nothing for human life, Ukranian or Russian. There is peace in a cemetary. That is the kind of peace that will come if Putin gets his way.