[Unforgivable Sin] Finally! Scriptural Defense That One CAN'T Commit IT (Unpardonable Sin)

[NotmebutHim]

This thought just occurred to me:

Not excusing the scribes and Pharisees, but maybe one of their reasons for claiming that Jesus cast out demons by Satan was that they (Pharisees) knew about Pharaoh's magicians and how they duplicated Moses' miracles. It sounds as if the scribes & Pharisees saw Jesus as no better than those magicians (in other words, a charlatan and a poser). Or to use our modern vernacular, a "grifter".

 

[Anion]

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Well the first thing is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was attributed to unbelieving (?) Jews. It wasn't (?) addressed to believers.

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TECHNICALLY ALL THE JEWS BELIEVED IN THE ONE AND ONLY GOD OF THE HEBREWS AND ABRAHAM AND MOSES AND KING DAVID--EVEN ALL OF THE PHARISEES. SO BY A FRAME OF REFERENCE AND IN A WAY, ALL THE PHARISEES AND MOST JEWS BELIEVED IN GOD. YOU CAN'T EVEN BECOME A PHARISEE IN THE FIRST PLACE WITHOUT DEVOTION AND DECADES OF DEVOTION TO GOD AND THE TORAH (SCRIPTURES). AN TRUE UNBELIEVER WOULD GIVE UP AND NEVER PASS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS TO BECOME A PHARISEE. CHECK YOUR FACTS WITH AN EXPERT IN JEWISH AND HEWBREW CULTURE, ARCHEOLOGY, AND MANUSCRIPTS--I ALREADY DID, WHICH IS WHY I SAY THIS.

A PHARISEE IN TRUTH, THEN AND NOW (LOOKUP "MODERN DAY ORTHODOX PHARISEE"), ARE MORE DEVOTED TO GOD THAT MOST CHRISTIANS TODAY. MOST CHRISTIANS NEVER READ ALL OF THE BIBLE EVEN ONCE. SOME GO MONTHS WITHOUT EVER READING SCRIPTURE FOR THEMSELVES. MOST HAVE BIBLES, BUT MOST NEVER READ THEM BY THEMSELVES. THEY DON'T WANT TO READ THE BIBLE BY THEMSELVES, BECAUSE THEY THINK IT IS BORING, OR WORSE (THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE BIBLE AT ALL).

PHARISEES LOVE THE TORAH AND SCRIPTURES SO MUCH THAT THEY PRACTICE MEMORY HACKS AND POETRY AND SING AND DO ALL THESE TRICKS TO REMEMBER AND MEMORIZE THE SCRIPTURE AND WRITTEN WORDS OF GOD.

SO... YOU ARE DEAD WRONG WHEN YOU CALL PHARISEES UNBELIEVERS. THEY JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS MESSIAH. THAT'S IT... OTHER THAN NOT BELIEVING JESUS IS MESSIAH, THEY USUALLY BELIEVE EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT GOD.

THE AVERAGE CHRISTIAN IS THE OPPOSITE. THEY USUALLY BELIEVE JESUS IS THE SAVIOUR, BUT THEY DON'T EVEN READ AND KNOW, LET ALONE BELIEVE; THEY DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT GOD AND MOST DON'T EVEN READ AND KNOW THE WORDS OF THEIR OWN MASTER AND LORD, JESUS (THE PARABLES). SOUNDS LIKE MOST AVERAGE CHRISTIANS ARE IGNORANT OR DON'T CARE. "I ACCEPT JESUS" IS ALL AVERAGE CHRISTIANS ARE USUALLY TOLD. MOST PASTORS DON'T REQUIRE THEM TO READ ANY SCRIPTURE BY THEMSELVES (WHICH IS DISHONEST AND PERVERSE).

IF PHARISEES COULD BELIEVE 99% OF GOD'S WORD, AND MEMORIZE IT, AND STILL BE CONDEMNED TO HELL... BEWARE, BECAUSE MOST OF YOU (IF YOU ARE HONEST WITH YOURSELVES) ARE WORSE(!)--THAT IS, IF YOU HAVE THE GALL TO CONDEMN A PHARISEE FOR HIS OBVIOUS SKILL AND ZEAL AND DEVOTION TO GOD! ONLY SOMEONE MORE DEVOTED THAN A PHARISEE CAN JUDGE A PHARISEE.... I ONLY KNOW ONE HUMAN WHO FITS THAT DESCRIPTION: JESUS... NOT ANY OF YOU ON THIS FORUM.

I HOPE TO NEVER HEAR ANY OF YOU CONDEMN A PHARISEE. MOST OF YOU CAN'T CONDEMN A PHARISEE AND GET AWAY GUILTLESS, BECAUSE MOST AVERAGE CHRISTIANS (BY THEIR ACTIONS) ARE WORSE THAN EVEN MEDIOCRE AMATUER PHARISEES.

MOST OF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A PHARISEE DOES EVERYDAY. HOW CAN YOU CONDEMN SOMEONE FOR NOT KNOWING WHAT THEY DO? I HAVE CHECKED WITH A REAL WORLD MODERN DAY FORMER-PHARISEE WITH A DOCTORATE PHD IN ANCIENT JEWISH MANUSCRIPTS TO LEARN THIS, HAVE YOU?

IF YOU DON'T KNOW... Just don't CONDEMN. That is all I ask regarding your treatment of pharisees.

--Forest DYFONG
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[Fundaamental]

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TECHNICALLY ALL THE JEWS BELIEVED IN THE ONE AND ONLY GOD OF THE HEBREWS AND ABRAHAM AND MOSES AND KING DAVID--EVEN ALL OF THE PHARISEES. SO BY A FRAME OF REFERENCE AND IN A WAY, ALL THE PHARISEES AND MOST JEWS BELIEVED IN GOD. YOU CAN'T EVEN BECOME A PHARISEE IN THE FIRST PLACE WITHOUT DEVOTION AND DECADES OF DEVOTION TO GOD AND THE TORAH (SCRIPTURES). AN TRUE UNBELIEVER WOULD GIVE UP AND NEVER PASS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS TO BECOME A PHARISEE. CHECK YOUR FACTS WITH AN EXPERT IN JEWISH AND HEWBREW CULTURE, ARCHEOLOGY, AND MANUSCRIPTS--I ALREADY DID, WHICH IS WHY I SAY THIS.

A PHARISEE IN TRUTH, THEN AND NOW (LOOKUP "MODERN DAY ORTHODOX PHARISEE"), ARE MORE DEVOTED TO GOD THAT MOST CHRISTIANS TODAY. MOST CHRISTIANS NEVER READ ALL OF THE BIBLE EVEN ONCE. SOME GO MONTHS WITHOUT EVER READING SCRIPTURE FOR THEMSELVES. MOST HAVE BIBLES, BUT MOST NEVER READ THEM BY THEMSELVES. THEY DON'T WANT TO READ THE BIBLE BY THEMSELVES, BECAUSE THEY THINK IT IS BORING, OR WORSE (THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE BIBLE AT ALL).

PHARISEES LOVE THE TORAH AND SCRIPTURES SO MUCH THAT THEY PRACTICE MEMORY HACKS AND POETRY AND SING AND DO ALL THESE TRICKS TO REMEMBER AND MEMORIZE THE SCRIPTURE AND WRITTEN WORDS OF GOD.

SO... YOU ARE DEAD WRONG WHEN YOU CALL PHARISEES UNBELIEVERS. THEY JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS MESSIAH. THAT'S IT... OTHER THAN NOT BELIEVING JESUS IS MESSIAH, THEY USUALLY BELIEVE EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT GOD.

THE AVERAGE CHRISTIAN IS THE OPPOSITE. THEY USUALLY BELIEVE JESUS IS THE SAVIOUR, BUT THEY DON'T EVEN READ AND KNOW, LET ALONE BELIEVE; THEY DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT GOD AND MOST DON'T EVEN READ AND KNOW THE WORDS OF THEIR OWN MASTER AND LORD, JESUS (THE PARABLES). SOUNDS LIKE MOST AVERAGE CHRISTIANS ARE IGNORANT OR DON'T CARE. "I ACCEPT JESUS" IS ALL AVERAGE CHRISTIANS ARE USUALLY TOLD. MOST PASTORS DON'T REQUIRE THEM TO READ ANY SCRIPTURE BY THEMSELVES (WHICH IS DISHONEST AND PERVERSE).

IF PHARISEES COULD BELIEVE 99% OF GOD'S WORD, AND MEMORIZE IT, AND STILL BE CONDEMNED TO HELL... BEWARE, BECAUSE MOST OF YOU (IF YOU ARE HONEST WITH YOURSELVES) ARE WORSE(!)--THAT IS, IF YOU HAVE THE GALL TO CONDEMN A PHARISEE FOR HIS OBVIOUS SKILL AND ZEAL AND DEVOTION TO GOD! ONLY SOMEONE MORE DEVOTED THAN A PHARISEE CAN JUDGE A PHARISEE.... I ONLY KNOW ONE HUMAN WHO FITS THAT DESCRIPTION: JESUS... NOT ANY OF YOU ON THIS FORUM.

I HOPE TO NEVER HEAR ANY OF YOU CONDEMN A PHARISEE. MOST OF YOU CAN'T CONDEMN A PHARISEE AND GET AWAY GUILTLESS, BECAUSE MOST AVERAGE CHRISTIANS (BY THEIR ACTIONS) ARE WORSE THAN EVEN MEDIOCRE AMATUER PHARISEES.

MOST OF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A PHARISEE DOES EVERYDAY. HOW CAN YOU CONDEMN SOMEONE FOR NOT KNOWING WHAT THEY DO? I HAVE CHECKED WITH A REAL WORLD MODERN DAY FORMER-PHARISEE WITH A DOCTORATE PHD IN ANCIENT JEWISH MANUSCRIPTS TO LEARN THIS, HAVE YOU?

IF YOU DON'T KNOW... Just don't CONDEMN. That is all I ask regarding your treatment of pharisees.

--Forest DYFONG
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again any good knowledgeable Christian would know the house of Isreal has allready been Judged.

Where as unbelievers or new converts wouldn't,

Are you sure your not judging adolescents here ?.

 

[SomeDisciple]

. YOU ARE DEAD WRONG WHEN YOU CALL PHARISEES UNBELIEVERS. THEY JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS MESSIAH. THAT'S IT... OTHER THAN NOT BELIEVING JESUS IS MESSIAH, THEY USUALLY BELIEVE EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT GOD.

But you understand that belief in Yeshua Ha Maschiac is critical, right? If you don't have the son, you don't have the father? If you reject whom he sends, you reject him? Right?

The cultural aspect of Judaism is so awesome (it is all about him after all). But when it's used to establish one's own righteousness it fails.

The pharisees had a zeal for God; but not according to the truth- and we have to B believing the truth to be believers, so that we are worshipping him in spirit and truth.

 

[Fundaamental]

This thought just occurred to me:

Not excusing the scribes and Pharisees, but maybe one of their reasons for claiming that Jesus cast out demons by Satan was that they (Pharisees) knew about Pharaoh's magicians and how they duplicated Moses' miracles. It sounds as if the scribes & Pharisees saw Jesus as no better than those magicians (in other words, a charlatan and a poser). Or to use our modern vernacular, a "grifter".

exactly
😊.

It safe to say anyone didn't mean anyone in the logic it was put forth by the op 😊

 

[Anion]

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It safe to say anyone didn't mean anyone in the logic it was put forth by the op 😊

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INTERPRETING JESUS' WORDS WITHOUT PROVEN DIVINE HELP IS VERY UNSAFE AND DANGEROUS, WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING JUST NOW.

ACCEPTING HIS WORDS VERBATIM WITH LOVING GRAMMAR, WITH RIGHT CONTEXT AND ALSO OPEN-MINDED TO SURPRISING DIVINE CONTEXTS, IS MUCH MORE SAFER.

HOW ABOUT A NEW IDEA? WHAT IF HE MEANT BOTH "ANYONE" PLAINLY AND LITERALLY AND THE PHARISEES? HUH?....

HOW ABOUT THIS NEW IDEA?

--Forest DYFONG
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[Anion]

1) I'm not sure how the op proves that you "can't commit it"...

NO SINCERE UNBELIEVER TRYING TO UNDERSTAND JESUS AND NO SINCERE WEAK PARANOID BABY CHRISTIAN CAN COMMIT IT, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY WOULD REPENT. IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE FOR THEM TO CONTINUALLY NEVER REPENT IF THEY ARE SINCERE, WHICH IS WHY I SAID IMPOSSIBLE TO COMMIT THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN: RATIONALLY AND LOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SANE PERSON TO COMMIT.

 

[Fundaamental]

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INTERPRETING JESUS' WORDS WITHOUT PROVEN DIVINE HELP IS VERY UNSAFE AND DANGEROUS, WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING JUST NOW.

ACCEPTING HIS WORDS VERBATIM WITH LOVING GRAMMAR, WITH RIGHT CONTEXT AND ALSO OPEN-MINDED TO SURPRISING DIVINE CONTEXTS, IS MUCH MORE SAFER.

HOW ABOUT A NEW IDEA? WHAT IF HE MEANT BOTH "ANYONE" PLAINLY AND LITERALLY AND THE PHARISEES? HUH?....

HOW ABOUT THIS NEW IDEA?

--Forest DYFONG
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The pastor gave your boy good advice.

And showed your boy anyone didn't mean anyone.

By your own words you said as much.

The house of Isreal has allready been Judged.


Jesus well telling the Pharisees anyone who thinks I would use a demon to heal is committing blasphemy.

At the time this was spoken the Pharisees wouldn't believe Jesus was Jesus.

By your own words the pastors more or less gave the same advice to your boy.

The house of Isreal final Judgment will not be severe one.

Far from it.

The house of Isreal is currently scattered and will be called home one day to a nice place 😊

 

[Anion]

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Dear Forum Family,

I just realized some people have been having problems understanding what I am talking about, and probably because they didn't realize that the blue text was a URL website address link, so they didn't read the source article I have been referring to all this time.

The website of the article is called: UnforgivableSin.org.

The article is: "What is the Unforgivable Sin?" and the URL website address link for the original article (not my original work, but someone else's) is THIS: >>> https://www.UnforgivableSin.org/what-is-the-unforgivable-sin <<< .

" What is most refreshing about this article as opposed to most of the other sub-par, inadequate answers that other websites, shepherds, prophets, pastors, teachers, and scholars preach and promote is that THIS ARTICLE uses scripture to interpret scripture. EXEGESIS AT ITS FINEST! "

Forest DYFONG
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[Anion]

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Jesus well telling the Pharisees anyone who thinks I would use a demon to heal is committing blasphemy. At the time this was spoken the Pharisees wouldn't believe Jesus was Jesus. By your own words the pastors more or less gave the same advice (as JESUS?!) to your boy.

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But the boy was afraid because the BOY DID THAT MANY TIMES AS AN UNBELIEVER AS A SUPERSTITIOUS BUDDHIST!

You say it is blasphemy that cannot be forgiven, WHICH IS WHY THIS FAMILY MEMBER OF MINE DIED!

WHAT I HAVE BEEN MEANING ALL THIS TIME IS THAT THE NEGATIVE BAD MEANING IS NOT WHAT JESUS SAID OR MEANT!

JESUS WOULD HAVE TOLD THIS YOUNG BOY THAT JESUS, "MEANT CONTINUALLY NEVER REPENTING FROM SPEAKING AGAINST (BLASPHEMING) THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE ONLY THING NOT FORGIVABLE. SEE? IT LITERALLY SAYS AND MEANS THIS GRAMMATICALLY AND LITERALLLY! I, JESUS, HAVE PROVED IT USING SCRIPTURE, LOGIC, LOGOS, AND CHILD-LIKE VOCABULARY."

THEN MY FAMILY MEMBER WOULD HAVE LIVED, IF EVEN JUST ONE PASTOR TOLD MY FAMILY MEMBER THIS USING GRAMMAR, LOGIC, LOGOS, AND SCRIPTURE! BUT NONE OF THEM DID! EVEN THOUGH THEY KNEW BETTER! BECAUSE THEY ARE FULL OF CRAP!

--Forest DYFONG
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[Fundaamental]

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But the boy was afraid because the BOY DID THAT MANY TIMES AS AN UNBELIEVER AS A SUPERSTITIOUS BUDDHIST!

You say it is blasphemy that cannot be forgiven, WHICH IS WHY THIS FAMILY MEMBER OF MINE DIED!

I haven't said no such thing.

IM saying the pastor gave your boy good enough reason to believe he wasn't guilty.


im also saying because the pastor never gave the grammar explanation makes no difference, as the boy would not have comprehended it anyway.


as your boy couldn't comprehend a more simplified reason as to why he was not guilty.

Blessings jay 😊

The scripture is solely there to point out you should not believe Jesus would use a demon to heal.

The scripture is there as a warning to all.

The scripture is not there to condem anyone to hell.

Which by your own words, you told us, this is what the pastor told your boy.
Your boy wouldn't accept this simplified version so how would your boy accept a detailed grammar version in Greek ?.
Blessings jay😊

 

[Anion]

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The scripture is solely there to point out you should not believe Jesus would use a demon to heal. The scripture is there as a warning to all. The scripture is not there to condem anyone to hell. Which by your own words, you told us, this is what the pastor told your boy. Your boy wouldn't accept this simplified version so how would your boy accept a detailed grammar version in Greek ?.
Blessings jay😊

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THAT BOY WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL. GRAMMAR IS NO PROBLEM FOR HIM. PLUS, THE GREEK GRAMMAR IS WHAT JESUS SAID VERBATIM WHICH IS WHAT THE CHILD WAS LOOKING FOR.

THAT PASTOR'S SIMPLIFIED EXPLANATION WASN'T PROVEN WITH THE WORDS OF JESUS. THE PASTOR KEPT SAYING JESUS DID NOT MEAN WHAT HE SAID.

THE BOY NEEDED JESUS TO EXPLAIN THAT JESUS DID EXACTLY MEAN WHAT HE SAID VERBATIM, JUST THAT PEOPLE MISUNDERSTAND JESUS.

VERY LETHAL AND IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE.

IF JESUS DID NOT MEAN WHAT HE VERBATIM SAID, THEN YOU ARE CALLING JESUS A LIAR. BECAUSE LIARS DO NOT MEAN WHAT THEY SAY.

AND GOD IS NOT A MAN THAT HE SHOULD LIE. AND JESUS NEVER LIES EITHER.

AND I THOUGHT I TOLD YA'LL THAT IF YOU NEVER LOST SOMEONE IN YOUR FAMILY TO A HYPOCRITICAL CHRISTIAN, I ASKED THAT YOU DON'T TRY TO ARGUE AGAINST ME. IT IS ON RECORD THAT YOU DID NOT LET ME HAVE WHAT I ASKED YOU FOR, IN GRIEF. IT SAYS MOURN WITH THOSE THAT MOURN, AND YOU, SIR, ARE SAYING THE PERSON WHO LET MY FAMILIY MEMBER DIE IN THE NAME OF GOD, SHOULD NOT BE BLAMED OR BE GUILTY, WHEN HE KNEW BETTER. IT IS WRITTEN, "17 Therefore to him that KNOWS to do good, and does it NOT, to him IT IS SIN! YOU ARE SINNING AGAINST ME AND OFFENDING ME AND MY FAMILY GREATLY. I'M CONFESSING AND TESTIFYING THAT THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO ME, AND I DON'T LIKE IT. IT IS UP TO YOU TO CHOOSE TO CONTINUE TO SIN AND OFFEND ME OR JUST SWALLOW YOUR NUMB HEART AND STOP!

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED....

I DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING....

YOUR OWN SAVIOUR, JESUS' WORDS WILL JUDGE YOU!

--Forest DYFONG
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[Fundaamental]

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THAT BOY WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL. GRAMMAR IS NO PROBLEM FOR HIM. PLUS, THE GREEK GRAMMAR IS WHAT JESUS SAID VERBATIM WHICH IS WHAT THE CHILD WAS LOOKING FOR.

THAT PASTOR'S SIMPLIFIED EXPLANATION WASN'T PROVEN WITH THE WORDS OF JESUS. THE PASTOR KEPT SAYING JESUS DID NOT MEAN WHAT HE SAID.

THE BOY NEEDED JESUS TO EXPLAIN THAT JESUS DID EXACTLY MEAN WHAT HE SAID VERBATIM, JUST THAT PEOPLE MISUNDERSTAND JESUS.

VERY LETHAL AND IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE.

IF JESUS DID NOT MEAN WHAT HE VERBATIM SAID, THEN YOU ARE CALLING JESUS A LIAR. BECAUSE LIARS DO NOT MEAN WHAT THEY SAY.

AND GOD IS NOT A MAN THAT HE SHOULD LIE. AND JESUS NEVER LIES EITHER.

AND I THOUGHT I TOLD YA'LL THAT IF YOU NEVER LOST SOMEONE IN YOUR FAMILY TO A HYPOCRITICAL CHRISTIAN, I ASKED THAT YOU DON'T TRY TO ARGUE AGAINST ME. IT IS ON RECORD THAT YOU DID NOT LET ME HAVE WHAT I ASKED YOU FOR, IN GRIEF. IT SAYS MOURN WITH THOSE THAT MOURN, AND YOU, SIR, ARE SAYING THE PERSON WHO LET MY FAMILIY MEMBER DIE IN THE NAME OF GOD, SHOULD NOT BE BLAMED OR BE GUILTY, WHEN HE KNEW BETTER. IT IS WRITTEN, "17 Therefore to him that KNOWS to do good, and does it NOT, to him IT IS SIN! YOU ARE SINNING AGAINST ME AND OFFENDING ME AND MY FAMILY GREATLY. I'M CONFESSING AND TESTIFYING THAT THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO ME, AND I DON'T LIKE IT. IT IS UP TO YOU TO CHOOSE TO CONTINUE TO SIN AND OFFEND ME OR JUST SWALLOW YOUR NUMB HEART AND STOP!

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED....

I DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING....

YOUR OWN SAVIOUR, JESUS' WORDS WILL JUDGE YOU!

--Forest DYFONG
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Jesus Judges the heart of everyone of his children everyday.

This is to help a believer to have his mind renewed everyday.
We don't assume Christians are not sharing in your pain,
And then use that scripture to Judge that person with.

The scripture says the holy spirit becomes saddened when one of there children is in grief.

You don't say morn with me or Jesus will Judge you.

The reason why I have been sharing with you is so you can get all your grief of your chest.

But now you have given me even more reason to believe your boy was being attacked every day by wicked forces.

He develops mental illness

Hes in close proximity to people practising Budda

he doesn't accept a simplified version of scripture.

hes a well educated boy that studies the bible.
And in high school grammar.

he doesn't recognise the translation means Jesus does not use Demons to heal people.


how old was the boy ? was the boy so young that immaturity could have been a weakness for him.

a young boy being round Budda worshippers and studying the word is not the best place to be.

Unclean spirit would turn on the boy and perverse his understanding of scripture daily.

One of The purposes of an unclean spirit is to get a
believer to kill himself.

Satan tried to make Jesus jump of a mountain.

I think you need to stop holding the pastors completely responsible.

And focus more on understanding, the boy was a vulnerable young man. Through tragic circumstances took his own life.

Why is it, with loving friends all around him, the boy couldn't share how he was feeling befor he took his life.

Surely you must now see that Satan played a part in causing severe mental illness to the young boy.

Or surely you see a mature adult person would not do what the boy did.

 

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It was a close boy in my Father's side of the family, related to me. He had a buddhist dad and a buddhist mom. Buddhists grow up going to a temple and have sometimes monks come and do funerals and chant, and do witchcraft miracles when someone needs to be cursed or healed.

My aunt was healed of a coma in the name of Buddha... do Christians even know that is possible? And she was in a coma.


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. Why do you ask the question if any Christian knows whether
Witch craft is possible to heal a person ?.
Did you perhaps give the boy some wrong advice ?.

Or perhaps his parents ?.

Is this the reason you believe Jesus can use a demon to heal a person ?

 

[Edify]

1) I'm not sure how the op proves that you "can't commit it"...

2) if someone couldn't commit it, then why would Jesus being it up?

3) if the same word is used of "continually" blaspheming the son- then either you are wrong, or it breaks the verse; because if you continually blaspheme the son; that's not going to be forgiven.... that's rejecting Christ, and you'd die in your sins.

Amen. We can't pick & choose, can we?

 

[Edify]

BTW, Anion, WHY are you shouting in print?
We need to remember that a good witness is not only correct, but uses the correct spirit to present Christ.
The correct answer, with the wrong spirit, is still the wrong answer. It can still be sin.

 

[Anion]

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. Why do you ask the question if any Christian knows whether Witch craft is possible to heal a person ? Did you perhaps give the boy some wrong advice ? Or perhaps his parents ? Is this the reason you believe Jesus can use a demon to heal a person ?

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I don't believe a demon can heal a person in ways that only GOD can, such as healing complete blindness and muteness especially, deafness and raising the dead, lameness or paralysis. Quit assuming! I NEVER said "I" believe a demon can heal in ways ONLY GOD can heal. I NEVER SAID JESUS HAS A DEMON.

That's also why I am angry: people assume too much and put words in other people's mouths, when they didn't mean it and did not verbatim say it.

Concerning witchcraft it was the boy's parents and my aunts and uncles and cousins, because they have had buddhist monks and witchdoctors and psychics and soothesayers/fortune-tellers minister to them (remember... I come from an unbelieving pagan family originally in a way). In english, healing miracles done by people not from God is called "white magic" or "white sorcery" or "pharmakeia" , or "white witchcraft".

Anyone who has REAL WORLD spiritual experience KNOWS devils and demons can "look" like and "pretend" like they are healing. Unless you live in a bubble and never asked or interviewed or visited someone in a third world country with witch-doctors (like Africa), or former-satanists (Lookup: "John Ramirez Ministries"), or superstitious every other false religion with REAL satanic lying signs and wonders (2 Thessalonians 2:9 KJV )

But they cannot copy GOD, his GLORY miracles: healing the completely blind, mute, deaf, dead, lame/paralyzed, casting out demons.

I have in real life confirmed with former satanists (in person), buddhist monks (in person all around my pagan family members), witchdoctors (friend of a friend through phone), witches (in person), freemasons (in person) , one former illuminati member (secure video interviews... the former illuminati person could not meet me in person because his life would be threatened at the time).

Many of them can pretend, fake, setup a trick, or seem like they can heal (and looks and checks out to be a legitimate healing) even supernaturally so.

BUT NONE OF THEM CAN DO GOD'S GLORY MIRACLES, healing the completely blind, mute, deaf, dead, lame/paralyzed, casting out demons, WHICH IS WHY WE CALL JESUS OUR SAVIOUR AND MESSIAH.

So... learn from experience.

--Forest DYFONG
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[Anion]

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BTW, Anion, WHY are you shouting in print?
We need to remember that a good witness is not only correct, but uses the correct spirit to present Christ.
The correct answer, with the wrong spirit, is still the wrong answer. It can still be sin.

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I was just confessing my honest feelings against a bro who is offending me very seriously and emotionally painful. But, I can refrain from using ALL CAP OR ALL SHIFT when it is against someone from now on. I just didn't know how to express or confess my feelings in an accurate way.

And to confess, don't I need to be honest?

If I am not honest, am I lying (if I do not quote ALL CAPS, or write ALL SHIFT to convey hating hypocrisy and unloving, uncaring actions or things)?

I just wanted to not lie and be honest.

But I can do my best to refrain from all caps and all shifts when it sounds like targeting a brother or sister from now on.

For LOVE's sake, I can adjust my behavior and actions. No problem.

Thank U.

--Forest DYFONG
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[Fundaamental]

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I was just confessing my honest feelings against a bro who is offending me very seriously and emotionally painful. But, I can refrain from using ALL CAP OR ALL SHIFT when it is against someone from now on. I just didn't know how to express or confess my feelings in an accurate way.

And to confess, don't I need to be honest?

If I am not honest, am I lying (if I do not quote ALL CAPS, or write ALL SHIFT to convey hating hypocrisy and unloving, uncaring actions or things)?

I just wanted to not lie and be honest.

But I can do my best to refrain from all caps and all shifts when it sounds like targeting a brother or sister from now on.

For LOVE's sake, I can adjust my behavior and actions. No problem.

Thank U.

--Forest DYFONG
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Ok anion go in peace bro,

I will just say one thing.

I hope you find peace over all this and wish you well.

I'm sorry if I have hurt your feelings.

And i hope you are still speaking to the boys family to.

I'm not going to say anymore on this matter.

Other than I'm so sorry for your loss.

Blessings jay ❤️

 

[Anion]

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I'm not sure how the op proves that you "can't commit it"...

2) if someone couldn't commit it, then why would Jesus being it up?

3) if the same word is used of "continually" blaspheming the son- then either you are wrong, or it breaks the verse; because if you continually blaspheme the son; that's not going to be forgiven.... that's rejecting Christ, and you'd die in your sins.

Amen. We can't pick & choose, can we?

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Jesus said it to warn against speaking against Holy Spirit healing complete blindness and healing muteness, which only GOD and JESUS can do. But in frame of reference of "Continually speaking against the Holy Spirit", it is not unforgivable if you repent from speaking against Holy Spirit healing the mute and completely blind (remember! the context of that healing and miracle of the Holy Spirit was healing complete blindness and muteness... not just any other miracles --I did my research!--).

Some weaker people who are in satanic, demonic, and deathly superstitious cultures and upbringings may say Jesus is evil, or demonic, or like an evil magician of Pharoah, or a necromancer not from God, or a false prophet, or a sorcerer, or a soothsayer (if they don't think he is any prophet at all), or a trickster magician.

The reason why my family member died, is because the religious leaders in America have no experience or wisdom dealing with the occult.

My family member in his childhood years all the way until he got saved as a teenager was surrounded by occult and false religion by his parents and the rest of our pagan family members. So it is logistically impossible to not encounter lying signs and wonders and question if JESUS is from God or not (if you are weaker, had an evil upbringing, and not have enough data or knowledge yet about the Gospel and about JESUS to make the right judgement call).

What killed my family member is pastors telling him it IS possible to commit the unforgivable sin ONCE and then you are doomed, and then saying it is calling JESUS' healing miracles of the devil or not from God. This is not true... Jesus can forgive this if the person repents and starts believing that only those miracles can be done by only the Holy Spirit. But my family member had to hear the words, "Jesus can forgive calling the Holy Spirit's miracles of the devil or not from God IF you repent, because in the Greek grammar, he literally said this."

No sincere unbeliever trying to understand JESUS and no sincere weak paranoid baby Christian can commit it, because obviously they would repent. It wouldn't make any sense for them to continually never repent if they are sincere, which is why I said impossible to commit the unforgivable sin: rationally and logically impossible for a sane person to commit. Because EVERY sincere person will repent, ALWAYS. Every spiritually SANE person will repent, ALWAYS.

The only logical conclusion is that: "The unforgivable sin and unpardonable sin and blasphemy against the Holy Spirit/(Holy Ghost) is impossible to commit for a SINCERE unbeliever or believer..."

--Forest DYFONG
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