Religious bigots and your understanding

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This is not only hilarious, it is downright silly.
Perhaps you can provide some scripture that actually teach that God is a Trinity, or declare or describe that God is a triune being, or that Jesus Christ is the second Person of the Trinity, or the Holy Spirit is the third Person of the Trinity, or that Jesus Christ is 100% man and 100% God.
 

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Perhaps you can provide some scripture that actually teach that God is a Trinity, or declare or
describe that God is a triune being, or that Jesus Christ is the second Person of the Trinity, or the
Holy Spirit is the third Person of the Trinity, or that Jesus Christ is 100% man and 100% God.
What do you make of John 1:1-14? .:unsure:


John 1:1 + 14a
:)
 

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Thanks. I have already responded to most of your points in other threads, it would be pointless to do so again. Most people are firmly set in what they believe.

I believe that people are first taught that God is a Trinity, and then shown scriptures in the Bible that are said to support it. I think that if people started from the Bible, they would not come to the conclusion that God is a Trinity.

What is your opinion of what you think most were taught. You asked for a Black & white in the Bible. You were provided just that. I am going to leave to you now just that.
 

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“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬
I would ask that you look at this scripture, understand the father gave Jesus all authority 😊
Mathew 28
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
 

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#46
You also have to read the next sentence in John to know it refers to the word being God, but also refers to Jesus being with God.

Two distinct meanings,

Which means the word is not all of God.

like saying dear father forgive me

you wouldn't say dear word forgive me.

the word became flesh is the most puzzling phras there is.

but to say Jesus became flesh, doesn't add up, as his flesh was tempted.

and as we know in heaven his spirit can not.



The word can be spoken by God the father the holy spirit and Jesus.

But there not all going to say the same word at once.
 

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the word became flesh is the most puzzling phras there is.
Not confusing at all. The Word is God, God/the Word took on flesh and walked the world as Jesus.

How else could anyone take that?
 

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Not confusing at all. The Word is God, God/the Word took on flesh and walked the world as Jesus.

How else could anyone take that?
I can't interpret three words to mean one understanding.

I have to look at all of scripture where flesh is spoken and word.

His flesh which was blood was sacrificed, but his word was not sacrificed.
 

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I can't interpret three words to mean one understanding.

I have to look at all of scripture where flesh is spoken and word.

His flesh which was blood was sacrificed, but his word was not sacrificed.
Three words??? A multitude of verses attest to the Deity of Jesus Christ.

Check out this thread (<= link) for Biblical proofs.
 

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Three words??? A multitude of verses attest to the Deity of Jesus Christ.

Check out this thread (<= link) for Biblical proofs.
In the beginning was the word, then it says Jesus was with God,

It also says the word was God.

In another passage it says Jesus sits at the right and side of God.

So the word is not all of Jesus or all of God, but the word is a part of God, Just as it is with us.

I can't imagine Jesus as Just word.

It nullifies my senses.
 
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What is your opinion of what you think most were taught.
It's right there in what you responded to. People are taught that God is a Trinity and then shown scripture that they are told proves it.

You asked for a Black & white in the Bible. You were provided just that.
Where? All I have seen are people, including you, stating and restating what they believe. Where are the scripture that teach that God is a Trinity, three-in-one, triune, etc?

I am going to leave to you now just that.
OK.
 

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In the beginning was the word, then it says Jesus was with God,

It also says the word was God.

In another passage it says Jesus sits at the right and side of God.

So the word is not all of Jesus or all of God, but the word is a part of God, Just as it is with us.

I can't imagine Jesus as Just word.

It nullifies my senses.
Jesus is called many things. None of them nullify His Deity.



Read that ^ ... I had to leave some off of that list of Names and Titles for Jesus.

One cannot say Jesus is not the Good Shepherd just because He is also called the Bread of Life.

He does not stop being the Gate just because He is also the Door, the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

The light of men.


Who Jesus is...
 
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Fundaamental

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Jesus is called many things. None of them nullify His Deity.



Read that ^ ... I had to leave some off of that list of Names and Titles for Jesus.

One cannot say Jesus is not the Good Shepherd just because He is also called the Bread of Life.

He does not stop being the Gate just because He is also the Door, the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

The light of men.


Who Jesus is...
could you put it in plain text 😊
 

Magenta

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could you put it in plain text 😊
Advocate, Almighty, Alpha and Omega, Amen, Anointed, Apostle and High Priest, Arm of the Lord,
Author and Finisher of Our Faith, Author of Eternal Salvation, Beginning and End, Beginning and Ending,
Beginning of the Creation of God, Beloved, Beloved Son, Blessed and Only Potentate, Branch, Bread of God,
Bread of Life, Bridegroom, Bright and Morning Star, Brightness of His Glory, Captain of Salvation, Captain
of the Host of the Lord, Chief Cornerstone, Chief Shepherd, (the) Christ, Christ, Christ Jesus, Consolation
of Israel, Cornerstone, Counsellor, Creator, Creator of Israel, Dayspring from on High, Deliverer, Desire of the
Nations, Door of the Sheep, Elect of God, Emmanuel/Immanuel, Ensign of the People, Eternal King, Everlasting
Father, Everlasting Light, Faithful and True, Faithful and True Witness, Faithful Witness, First and Last, First
Begotten, Forerunner, Glory of the Lord, God, God of the Whole Earth, Good Shepherd, Governor, Great
Shepherd, Head of the Church, Heir of All Things, High Priest, Holy Child, Holy One, Holy One of God, Holy One
of Israel, Horn of Salvation, I AM, Image of God, Israel, Jesus Christ, Judge, Judge of Israel, Just One, King,
King of Israel, King of the Jews, King of kings, Lamb, Lamb of God, Last Adam, Lawgiver, Life, Light of
the World, Lion of the Tribe of Judah, Living Bread, Lord Jesus, Lord Jesus Christ, Lord of All, Lord of Glory,
Lord of lords, Lord of the Sabbath, Lord Our Righteousness, Man of Sorrows, Mediator, Messenger of the
Covenant, Messiah, Mighty God, Mighty One of Israel, Mighty One of Jacob, Nazarene, Offspring of David,
Only Begotten Son, Our Passover, Plant of Renown, Prince of Life, Prince of the Kings of the Earth, Prince
of Peace, Prophet, Righteous Judge, Redeemer, Resurrection and Life, Rock, Rock of Offence, Root of David,
Root of Jesse, Saviour, Seed of Woman, Shepherd, Shepherd and Bishop of Our Souls, Shepherd of Israel,
Shiloh, Son of the Blessed, Son of David, Son of God, Son of Man, Son of the Highest, Sun of Righteousness,
True Bread, True Light, True Vine, Truth, Way, Witness, Wonderful, Word, Word of God, Word of Life.
 

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It's right there in what you responded to. People are taught that God is a Trinity and then shown scripture that they are told proves it.


Where? All I have seen are people, including you, stating and restating what they believe. Where are the scripture that teach that God is a Trinity, three-in-one, triune, etc?


OK.
I thought of another question for you...if Jesus didn't exist until His conception, how do you understand John 17:5?
 

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I thought of another question for you...if Jesus didn't exist until His conception, how do you understand John 17:5?
I pointed that verse out to him (without quoting him) days ago... no reply that I am aware of .:unsure:

Last month even! LOL

Here
 
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I think that if people started from the Bible, they would not come to the conclusion that God is a Trinity.



i can almost agree here:

follow me for a moment:

Let US make man [Elohim].
that right gets confusing because in Exodus, the same ELOHIM is now SINGULAR claiming to be Elohim, I AM TO BE......then 3 Chapters later this Same Singular Elohim now claims He is LORD - YHWH - MOST HIGH GOD - Yahweh.
^
which leads to the Knowledge that for God, the True God, Hebrews called God Singular Elohim, but for false gods they use the plural version of elohim.

and if we Follow the Title LORD, that leads us to Sodom and the LORD rained from the LORD in Heaven [ Hebrew says this is SAME LORD so this is Proof of Omnipresence [[much like John 14 Father in Heaven also lives inside Jesus on Earth]]]


then we get into the Prophets and Isaiah says, God sent me and Spirit of God led me...WHOAHHHH!!!
does this mean God did send Isaiah, but did it by the Spirit, or is this making a distinction of 2?
and when you look at the Hebrew, it is God sent Isaiah, but God did by His Spirit, which I am also led by the Spirit of God, not another form within God, when I am directed to do His Will.

and then we get into the Psalms and discover David getting a message from God:
Of David a psalm. The word of the Lord to my master; "Wait for My right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool at your feet."
^
Who is this Right Hand?
Messiah

and then we get to the New Testament.
we at this point already know Jesus is ELOHIM, I AM TO BE, LORD, MOST HIGH GOD, YHWH, Yahweh, Messiah.

but now we meet Father-WORD-Holy Spirit

but it's not too long we learn God emptied Himself, became flesh, dwelt among us.
we learn that Jesus cast out demons by the Holy Spirit and the Father is LIVING inside Jesus from His Heavenly Throne [Omnipresence] doing the Talking and Miracles.

and then we get a bigger clue with Matthew 28:19 when Jesus says in the NAME [singular] Father-Son-Holy Spirit.......but........ watch the Disciples Baptize in the NAME............... of Jesus.
and then we learn inside Jesus Dwells the Whole Deity.

and if that don't set it off, we have Paul saying this:
13 waiting for the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ

so now Jesus [is] our GREAT GOD and SAVIOR.



if someone was NEVER born into a family that went to church and preached Trinity, they most definitely could easily think One God with many Titles.

after all, Jesus is STILL ELOHIM, I AM TO BE, LORD, MOST HIGH GOD, YHWH, Yahweh, Messiah + Paul's addition of OUR GREAT GOD and Savior.

yeah, i believe it!