Religious bigots and your understanding
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I appreciate that you remain civil to me.
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
I believe that should be understood in the same way as Rev 13:8
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Was Jesus literally slain from the foundation of the world?
Or 1 Tim 1:9
1 Tim 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Is that literal? Did we exist, or or were we saved before the world began?
It's all through the OT that the Messiah would rule. Jesus knew those promises, and was remembering them in his prayer to God.
I know you dislike links. But just in case: https://www.revisedenglishversion.com/John/17/5
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
I believe that should be understood in the same way as Rev 13:8
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Was Jesus literally slain from the foundation of the world?
Or 1 Tim 1:9
1 Tim 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Is that literal? Did we exist, or or were we saved before the world began?
It's all through the OT that the Messiah would rule. Jesus knew those promises, and was remembering them in his prayer to God.
I know you dislike links. But just in case: https://www.revisedenglishversion.com/John/17/5
Now where is that post of yours where you describe how people get frustrated and start denigrating people and slinging ad-homs when things don't go their way? You just posted it a couple days ago. Maybe you need to locate it and read it.
Also, where is "the Eternal Godhead, which is made up of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" taught in the Bible? Again, all you have done is repeat your belief.
Also, where is "the Eternal Godhead, which is made up of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" taught in the Bible? Again, all you have done is repeat your belief.
None of which take anything away from His Deity. And what is your point? You seem to want to be saying that since Jesus
is described as being so many different things, that equates to the Word was God does not mean the Word was God.
One cannot say Jesus is not the Good Shepherd just because He is also called the Bread of Life.
He does not stop being the Gate just because He is also the Door, the Vine, the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
The light of men.
is described as being so many different things, that equates to the Word was God does not mean the Word was God.
One cannot say Jesus is not the Good Shepherd just because He is also called the Bread of Life.
He does not stop being the Gate just because He is also the Door, the Vine, the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
The light of men.
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I shall endeavor to do so also. 
In Revelation 13:8, the pin the book of lifehrases 'of life' and 'of the Lamb slain' are prepositional modifiers of 'book' - while the phrases 'in the book' and 'from the foundation of the world' are prepositional modifiers of the word 'written'.
The phrase 'from the foundation of the world' is not a modifier of 'slain' or the full prepositional phrase containing it. A prepositional phrase does not always modify what immediately precedes it.
The word 'from' signifies 'continually since' - for it to modify 'slain', Christ would have to have been "continually slain" since the foundation of the world. (Of course, 'slain' is not a verb to which the 'from' phrase can modify - so, it cannot apply to that word. I say this for the purpose of illustration.)
Jesus was not slain from the foundation of the world; rather - 'names' - 'are written' - since the foundation of the world.
And, this is what was 'given us in Christ Jesus' in 2 Timothy 1:9 'before the world began'.
We did not exist before the world began - our names were written 'in the book of life of the Lamb slain' before the world began.
As for John 17:5 - while Jesus (bodily, as the God-man) did not [chronologically] "exist" before He was conceived in Mary, He did exist (as the 'Word' - John 1) with the Father before the world began.
In Revelation 13:8, the pin the book of lifehrases 'of life' and 'of the Lamb slain' are prepositional modifiers of 'book' - while the phrases 'in the book' and 'from the foundation of the world' are prepositional modifiers of the word 'written'.
The phrase 'from the foundation of the world' is not a modifier of 'slain' or the full prepositional phrase containing it. A prepositional phrase does not always modify what immediately precedes it.
The word 'from' signifies 'continually since' - for it to modify 'slain', Christ would have to have been "continually slain" since the foundation of the world. (Of course, 'slain' is not a verb to which the 'from' phrase can modify - so, it cannot apply to that word. I say this for the purpose of illustration.)
Jesus was not slain from the foundation of the world; rather - 'names' - 'are written' - since the foundation of the world.
And, this is what was 'given us in Christ Jesus' in 2 Timothy 1:9 'before the world began'.
We did not exist before the world began - our names were written 'in the book of life of the Lamb slain' before the world began.
As for John 17:5 - while Jesus (bodily, as the God-man) did not [chronologically] "exist" before He was conceived in Mary, He did exist (as the 'Word' - John 1) with the Father before the world began.
I shall endeavor to do so also.
In Revelation 13:8, the pin the book of lifehrases 'of life' and 'of the Lamb slain' are prepositional modifiers of 'book' - while the phrases 'in the book' and 'from the foundation of the world' are prepositional modifiers of the word 'written'.
The phrase 'from the foundation of the world' is not a modifier of 'slain' or the full prepositional phrase containing it. A prepositional phrase does not always modify what immediately precedes it.
The word 'from' signifies 'continually since' - for it to modify 'slain', Christ would have to have been "continually slain" since the foundation of the world. (Of course, 'slain' is not a verb to which the 'from' phrase can modify - so, it cannot apply to that word. I say this for the purpose of illustration.)
Jesus was not slain from the foundation of the world; rather - 'names' - 'are written' - since the foundation of the world.
And, this is what was 'given us in Christ Jesus' in 2 Timothy 1:9 'before the world began'.
We did not exist before the world began - our names were written 'in the book of life of the Lamb slain' before the world began.
In Revelation 13:8, the pin the book of lifehrases 'of life' and 'of the Lamb slain' are prepositional modifiers of 'book' - while the phrases 'in the book' and 'from the foundation of the world' are prepositional modifiers of the word 'written'.
The phrase 'from the foundation of the world' is not a modifier of 'slain' or the full prepositional phrase containing it. A prepositional phrase does not always modify what immediately precedes it.
The word 'from' signifies 'continually since' - for it to modify 'slain', Christ would have to have been "continually slain" since the foundation of the world. (Of course, 'slain' is not a verb to which the 'from' phrase can modify - so, it cannot apply to that word. I say this for the purpose of illustration.)
Jesus was not slain from the foundation of the world; rather - 'names' - 'are written' - since the foundation of the world.
And, this is what was 'given us in Christ Jesus' in 2 Timothy 1:9 'before the world began'.
We did not exist before the world began - our names were written 'in the book of life of the Lamb slain' before the world began.
Jesus is never once referred to as "the God-man" or "God the Son" in the Bible. I have talked about my understanding of God's logos in other posts.
Interesting, perhaps - but, not correct. For the words 'slain from the foundation of the world' to apply as it suggests would require that it be preceded by 'who was' (or similar words). The word 'slain' - standing alone - cannot operate as a preposition; rather, it operates as an adjective modifier for 'Lamb'. Today, we might say 'of the slain Lamb'.
In the modern-day, we use word-phrases like 'God-man' to illustrate a certain meaning - the idea of which is actually in scripture - even if the literal word-phrase is not. The literal word-phrase 'God the Son' may not exist in scripture; however, in the context of several verses of scripture, the words 'Son of God' does exist - and, in the context, is entirely sufficient where the idea/principle is concerned.
In the modern-day, we use word-phrases like 'God-man' to illustrate a certain meaning - the idea of which is actually in scripture - even if the literal word-phrase is not. The literal word-phrase 'God the Son' may not exist in scripture; however, in the context of several verses of scripture, the words 'Son of God' does exist - and, in the context, is entirely sufficient where the idea/principle is concerned.
Thanks. I don't agree.
You chide "ball earthers" for reading into the Bible things that are not there, but have no problem doing it yourself when it's a belief you have adopted.
...just sayin.
You chide "ball earthers" for reading into the Bible things that are not there, but have no problem doing it yourself when it's a belief you have adopted.
...just sayin.
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Adam was a son of God. If "Son of God" and "God the Son" are exactly the same, should we call Adam "God the Son"? We are "sons of God." Are we also gods who are sons? And please do not bring up capitalization... ALL capitalization is done by translators.
"Thy throne, O God" can also be translated "Thy throne is God," meaning the power behind Christ is God, which He is.
People often add "and many other passages" or "and a lot more." Where are they? Also, were you able to come up with scripture that actually teach that God is a Trinity, or tell us that God is a Trinity, or describe God as a Trinity??
I believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God (John 20:31). Jesus Christ is my Lord and I believe in my heart that God has raised him from the dead (Rom 10:9).
"Thy throne, O God" can also be translated "Thy throne is God," meaning the power behind Christ is God, which He is.
People often add "and many other passages" or "and a lot more." Where are they? Also, were you able to come up with scripture that actually teach that God is a Trinity, or tell us that God is a Trinity, or describe God as a Trinity??
I believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God (John 20:31). Jesus Christ is my Lord and I believe in my heart that God has raised him from the dead (Rom 10:9).