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What is the Eternal Godhead?
"The Godhead includes God the Eternal Father, the Savior Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. Although the members of the Godhead are distinct beings with distinct roles, They are one in purpose. They are perfectly united in bringing to pass Heavenly Father's plan of salvation."
The scriptures of the Godhead are LOCATED FOR YOU TO READ.
Colossians 2:9
For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
Ephesians 3:19
and to know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled up to all the fullness of God
Corinthians 11:3
But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.
Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
If you can explain what the Eternal Godhead is, I am standing by to hear your opinion. Please use scripture to support your understanding.
"The Godhead includes God the Eternal Father, the Savior Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. Although the members of the Godhead are distinct beings with distinct roles, They are one in purpose. They are perfectly united in bringing to pass Heavenly Father's plan of salvation."
The scriptures of the Godhead are LOCATED FOR YOU TO READ.
Colossians 2:9
For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
Ephesians 3:19
and to know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled up to all the fullness of God
Corinthians 11:3
But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.
Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
If you can explain what the Eternal Godhead is, I am standing by to hear your opinion. Please use scripture to support your understanding.
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Can you explain how these four scripture are "scriptures of the Godhead"?
Without a doubt, the fullness of God dwelt in Jesus. Note that it does not say that Jesus was God, or that he was the "Second Person of the Trinity."
Amen! Again, how is that a "scripture of the Godhead"?
Think about that one. "God is the head of Christ." How is that a "scripture of the Godhead"?
That's talking about God. How does that scripture support your understanding of the Godhead or of the Trinity?
The "Eternal Godhead" is God, period. Yahweh. The Creator of everything. God is not a "compound unity" or a multiplicity of "Persons," He is one. The Father.
"Godhead" in the KJV is theotēs (#2320 θεότης), which is an abstract noun for God. It means "of God," or "what God is." The fullness of what God is dwelt in Christ. Again, it does not mean or say that Christ is God. Jesus Christ declared God, he made Him known (John 1:18).
As to who God is, the Bible is very clear that God is the Father alone. Jesus Christ said his Father is "the only true God" (John 17:3). Paul said that "for us there is but one God, the Father" (1 Cor 8:6; Eph 4:6). Peter said that Jesus was the man approved BY God (Acts 2:22). Paul said that the gift of grace came "by one man, Jesus Christ" (Rom 5:15), and that one day God will judge the world by the man He ordained (Acts 17:31).
God alone is God, Jesus is the Son of God, the man who God made both Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36).
Without a doubt, the fullness of God dwelt in Jesus. Note that it does not say that Jesus was God, or that he was the "Second Person of the Trinity."
Amen! Again, how is that a "scripture of the Godhead"?
Think about that one. "God is the head of Christ." How is that a "scripture of the Godhead"?
That's talking about God. How does that scripture support your understanding of the Godhead or of the Trinity?
The "Eternal Godhead" is God, period. Yahweh. The Creator of everything. God is not a "compound unity" or a multiplicity of "Persons," He is one. The Father.
"Godhead" in the KJV is theotēs (#2320 θεότης), which is an abstract noun for God. It means "of God," or "what God is." The fullness of what God is dwelt in Christ. Again, it does not mean or say that Christ is God. Jesus Christ declared God, he made Him known (John 1:18).
As to who God is, the Bible is very clear that God is the Father alone. Jesus Christ said his Father is "the only true God" (John 17:3). Paul said that "for us there is but one God, the Father" (1 Cor 8:6; Eph 4:6). Peter said that Jesus was the man approved BY God (Acts 2:22). Paul said that the gift of grace came "by one man, Jesus Christ" (Rom 5:15), and that one day God will judge the world by the man He ordained (Acts 17:31).
God alone is God, Jesus is the Son of God, the man who God made both Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36).
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Would this mean Christ the spirit or Christ the Man.
my view is it cant mean the man, as the man is no more,
unless it was spoken in past tense, which I can't see any indication it is,
John 5:30 KJV
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
my view is it cant mean the man, as the man is no more,
unless it was spoken in past tense, which I can't see any indication it is,
John 5:30 KJV
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
No, you need to explain how they are not.
Again THe term "Trinity " is a theological Concept. Which is seen in the word of God.
Also, the words "Eternal Godhead" is mentioned in the Bible, and that, too, was provided to you.
also, you failed to use the Greek correctly and missed the context.
Rom 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
The Invisible things of HIM.
ah-or'-at-os: That which can not be seen of HIM of separation of a part from the whole "apo'. kathoraō to behold fully, i.e. (figuratively) distinctly apprehend
aidios :
- eternal, everlasting.
theiotēs : divinity or Godhead = a general name of deities or divinities as used by the Greeks
In this text of Rom 1:20 to mean :
- of Christ
- Holy Spirit
- the Father
Jesus is God because he is from God the Father. The eternal Godhead is not Singular.
Jesus is God The Father is God
the Holy Sprit is God
The word of God states this. They are all God Yet one. No one can comprehend this, but we can apprehend it. as the word of God states.
THere is God the Father
God the Son.
and God the Holy Spirit
We who are made in the likeness of God
Have a Body, soul, and spirit.
There is Heaven, either and sea,
There is space, time, and matter.
God lives outside all three unless you think you know all there is to know him. Beyond what GOD ordained for man to know HIM
Funny only three ways. Hmmm.
- General Revelation= Creation
- Special Revelation= Hd word
- Illumination= By the Spirit in a relationship
Jesus was Born, died, and was resurrected.
God spoke, the word was carried out, and The Spirit moved.
If you cannot see The concept of the Trinity in the word of God. Then you are incapable of Woing so. I leave you to that. It's not important to me that you can't. It's only important One understanding can't fully tell all. What is everything about the Eternal Godhead?
To says there is no such thing as the Concept of the Trinity in the scriptures when many things about God are three and One. Is just pride and arrogance.
Jesus had a glorified Body meaning :
The glorified body dies no more
John 5:21
21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will.
1cor 15:4-6
4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.
35 But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?” 36 You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain. 38 But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body. 39 For not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish. 40 There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.
42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable.
Jesus ate food after he rose again. He was touched yet he was without limits of the physical body. They testified to imperial evidence of what they saw, touched, and heard.
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That's interesting, so from this passage would you say that fathers authority is higher because here we see spirit and man.
Corinthians 11:3
But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.
Can we say Christ in this passage means both spirit and man, seeing as the man still exists ?.
he wouldn't have shed his glorified body would he
Corinthians 11:3
But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.
Can we say Christ in this passage means both spirit and man, seeing as the man still exists ?.
he wouldn't have shed his glorified body would he
I think what is important. In the context of Jesus' earthly life, he completely did the will of the Father always. No other called man before Him did so completely. Jesus never sinned; Jesus overcame temptation and defeated death, hell, and the grave.
Jesus relied fully on the Holy Spirit in his physical Body. He did nothing but the will of the Father. He willfully step out of Heaven to die for the sin of the world. I would say that because Jesus gives Eternal life the Body has to be eternal to remind us of the Price he paid they are there on HIS Body as a witness to HIS death and resurrection. Therefore Jesus is both Body and Spirit.
just to add something here.
the Textus Receptus confuses me concerning Romans 1:20
it's talking about the CREATION of God that WE CAN SEE like Natural Wonders, the Universe, Stars, Moon, Planets, Sun, Milky Way, etc.
it's Literally IMPOSSIBLE for me to look at a MOUNTAIN and see a GODHEAD TRIUNE GOD. it just does not exist to be seen.
and the Textus Receptus could have left it alone like it already was in the 3rd Century:
20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
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that is so much better explanation of the TRUTH.
I see the Mountains, I see God and His DIVINE POWER, not a TRINITY!
that is really a foolish concept.
the Textus Receptus confuses me concerning Romans 1:20
it's talking about the CREATION of God that WE CAN SEE like Natural Wonders, the Universe, Stars, Moon, Planets, Sun, Milky Way, etc.
it's Literally IMPOSSIBLE for me to look at a MOUNTAIN and see a GODHEAD TRIUNE GOD. it just does not exist to be seen.
and the Textus Receptus could have left it alone like it already was in the 3rd Century:
20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
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that is so much better explanation of the TRUTH.
I see the Mountains, I see God and His DIVINE POWER, not a TRINITY!
that is really a foolish concept.
The whole chapter of Romans One must be read.
1 Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God 2 which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, 3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh,
4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. 5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;
7 To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Let's move on to verse 16.
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like [h]corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
God did NOT CREATE MAN to be able to live apart from HIM.
Every person will and knows God exist, yet they hold the truth Hostage and have their minds darkened. Self-deceiving to believe there is no God. Did not the Hebrew Children see their work of God as HE opened the Red Sea, yet many of them choose to worship a golden calf?
Did not the Generation of Joshua see the opening of the Jordan River and cross over ? to only 69 years later to forget about the God of Moses?
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i completely agree!
just the Textus Receptus makes no sense for Romans 1:20, and i will explain why.
Romans 1 is for EVERYONE WHOEVER LIVED. There's so much EVIDENCE that GOD Created everything that NO HUMAN BEING is excused.
but here is the ISSUE for me.
a SINNER, who has NO CONCEPT of Church, God, WHO exactly is God, can NEVER see a TRINITY GOD in Creation. They are barely seeing that it is JUST GOD Who did it.
So, since a SINNER cannot look at Creation and think TRINITY, a SINNER however CAN look at Creation and just think GOD did this!
this is why i know the Textus Receptus was RCC messed with. they are IDIOTS to begin with, Brainless, and never thought about a SINNER cannot see a TRINITY without first knowing a GOD. and unfortunately, the Septuagint, Masoretic, Textus Receptus do this alot, make no sense.
but when we read the true Hebrew or the 3rd Century Greek, it makes sense.
i prefer a Bible that makes Sense, because, I know it is GODLY!
just the Textus Receptus makes no sense for Romans 1:20, and i will explain why.
Romans 1 is for EVERYONE WHOEVER LIVED. There's so much EVIDENCE that GOD Created everything that NO HUMAN BEING is excused.
but here is the ISSUE for me.
a SINNER, who has NO CONCEPT of Church, God, WHO exactly is God, can NEVER see a TRINITY GOD in Creation. They are barely seeing that it is JUST GOD Who did it.
So, since a SINNER cannot look at Creation and think TRINITY, a SINNER however CAN look at Creation and just think GOD did this!
this is why i know the Textus Receptus was RCC messed with. they are IDIOTS to begin with, Brainless, and never thought about a SINNER cannot see a TRINITY without first knowing a GOD. and unfortunately, the Septuagint, Masoretic, Textus Receptus do this alot, make no sense.
but when we read the true Hebrew or the 3rd Century Greek, it makes sense.
i prefer a Bible that makes Sense, because, I know it is GODLY!
let me say this pagans believed in gods and did not know the one true God. The concept of the Trinity I believe is seen once a person comes to know Jesus as Lord and Savior. These things are spiritually discerned.
Before I ever heard the Word Trinity I will never forget when I read in the Gospel and Old Testament spoke of Jesus. The foundation of the whole word of God is Christ. We must build on Him no other.
Jesus prayed to the Father he did not pray to himself. Jesus said the Comforter who is the Spirit of Truth will come and be in you and come upon you.
This was not metaphorical or abstract Because The Holy Spirt can be grieved, Quenched, lied to, and Blasphemed.
He speak the truth, lead into all truth and bring into remembrance Jesus said in John chapter 14 through 16. Those are not abstract or hyperbole.
We must keep in context what Jesus said. Who he was saying it to, the time frame it was being said, how did they apply it then, and how do we apply it today.
It is not my job to prove the concept of the Godhead. I have accepted that the Divine Nature of God I cannot fully know. So I must be reverent, humble, and realize I am limited where God has no limits.
One says there is no Trinity and there is only Jesus. Yet Jesus prayed to HIS Father and some say he was speaking to his self. Yet they can't prove that very statement and those who hold to the concept of the Trinity are unbiblical or taught there is one? Please. If I was Taught the Trinity is Biblical then you were taught it is not. LOL you see the logic in that ? Ridiculous.
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