Saved by faith alone?
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Everyone okay with this statement?
"Water baptism was for Judaism, not for Christians"
Just how far will followers of faith alone regeneration theology go to not acknowledge the true meaning of baptism?
Are there no limits?
Hey guys I would really like to know your thoughts on the above quote. Are you also in this camp?
"Water baptism was for Judaism, not for Christians"
Just how far will followers of faith alone regeneration theology go to not acknowledge the true meaning of baptism?
Are there no limits?
Hey guys I would really like to know your thoughts on the above quote. Are you also in this camp?
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The problem is, as always, the definition of "save". If salvation is taken to mean going to heaven when you die, then we are saved by grace, through faith. We are born again when we accept Christ. It's not just believing a set of facts. It is accepting Christ Himself. That is what many understand as salvation. It is the first and foremost aspect of salvation. However, there are other aspects of salvation that the believer should experience once he or she is born again. This is referred to in God's word as "The salvation of the soul". Some wrongly call this progressive sanctifation.
In this "second salvation" it better to think of it as deliverance. Those who are born again are alive in Christ. However, we need to be delivered from the influence of the self that we inherited from Adam. We need to realise that what we got from Adam is dead and must be cast off. We need our minds renewed so that they do not argue with God's truth. We need to realise that God's will is vastly better for us than what we can think of for ourselves. This is a lifetime work that the Holy Spirit will perform in us - if we choose for Him to do that. Those who are diligent in resisting self and seeking God will grow and make progress. The lazy and careless make little progress. We still reap what we sow.
In this "second salvation" it better to think of it as deliverance. Those who are born again are alive in Christ. However, we need to be delivered from the influence of the self that we inherited from Adam. We need to realise that what we got from Adam is dead and must be cast off. We need our minds renewed so that they do not argue with God's truth. We need to realise that God's will is vastly better for us than what we can think of for ourselves. This is a lifetime work that the Holy Spirit will perform in us - if we choose for Him to do that. Those who are diligent in resisting self and seeking God will grow and make progress. The lazy and careless make little progress. We still reap what we sow.
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Zechariah 3:3-4
Now Joshua was dressed in filthy garments as he stood before the angel. So the angel
said to those standing before him, "Take off his filthy clothes!" Then he said to Joshua,
"See, I have removed your iniquity, and I will clothe you with splendid robes."
Like them, he who overcomes will be dressed in white. And I will never blot out his name from
the Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and His angels. Revelation 3:5
Now Joshua was dressed in filthy garments as he stood before the angel. So the angel
said to those standing before him, "Take off his filthy clothes!" Then he said to Joshua,
"See, I have removed your iniquity, and I will clothe you with splendid robes."
Like them, he who overcomes will be dressed in white. And I will never blot out his name from
the Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and His angels. Revelation 3:5
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Im guessing he was refering to this
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:8-10
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I'm inclined not to believe it's a thing but it should been noted, about the end of Mark's Gospel it apparently doesnt appear in all the early manuscripts.
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/was-mark-16-9-20-originally-mark-gospel/
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/was-mark-16-9-20-originally-mark-gospel/
You are ignoring what Christ said about the remission of sins.
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47). Do you see the word "baptism" here? Repentance leads to remission of sins, and that is exactly what Peter also said: Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord (Acts 3:19) Do you see the words "be baptized" here?
You hold to a false belief about baptism, and now it is time for you to repent of that false belief.
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47). Do you see the word "baptism" here? Repentance leads to remission of sins, and that is exactly what Peter also said: Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord (Acts 3:19) Do you see the words "be baptized" here?
You hold to a false belief about baptism, and now it is time for you to repent of that false belief.
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people on death row, the night before their execution, are given any meal they request.
you think that practice, that is followed Today, began with the Roman's?
you think that practice, that is followed Today, began with the Roman's?
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I already explained what it states in post #31 and post #47 after considering the entire passage. Oh, you mean what it states, "on the surface" without examining the entire passage. I see how you only isolated what you wanted to hear from the passage. Also, scripture must harmonize with scripture.
John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Acts 16:30 - And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, (and get water baptized? NO) and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace you have been saved through faith, (and water baptism? NO) and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Acts 16:30 - And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, (and get water baptized? NO) and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace you have been saved through faith, (and water baptism? NO) and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
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Why didn't Jesus add water baptism into salvation in John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26? Did He forget to mention it? This is what happens when you isolate one half of one verse then build doctrine on it and ignore the rest. That's called flawed hermeneutics.
Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely essential to salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism. So, salvation rests on belief just as Jesus said in John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26.
Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely essential to salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism. So, salvation rests on belief just as Jesus said in John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26.
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He was saved. His obedience did not keep him saved.. It proved he was saved..
true faith works.
so you do not consider adultery a grave sin? You do not consider laughing at God a grave sin? You do not consider havi9ng so lack of faith in God that you tell someone your wife is your sister because of fear a grave sin?
If your doing it to BE SAVED, Stay saved, or earn salvation. then it is works.
Rom 4:
4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”
Gods requirement is perfection. Unless you meet that standard. You have sinning and are are falling short of Gods glory
true faith works.
so you do not consider adultery a grave sin? You do not consider laughing at God a grave sin? You do not consider havi9ng so lack of faith in God that you tell someone your wife is your sister because of fear a grave sin?
If your doing it to BE SAVED, Stay saved, or earn salvation. then it is works.
Rom 4:
4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”
Gods requirement is perfection. Unless you meet that standard. You have sinning and are are falling short of Gods glory
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