The court ruling on LGBT ENDS THIS DEBATE

[reneweddaybyday]

what about people born with mixed intersex chromosomes ?

aka hermaphrodites

In humans, each cell normally contains 23 pairs of chromosomes, for a total of 46. Twenty-two of these pairs, called autosomes, look the same in both males and females. The 23rd pair, the sex chromosomes, differ between males and females. Females have two copies of the X chromosome, while males have one X and one Y chromosome.
https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/un...23rd pair, the sex,Y, are the sex chromosomes.

Studies confirms it effects 1 in 100 people.

If the term intersex is to retain any meaning, the term should be restricted to those conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female. Applying this more precise definition, the true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/124...recise definition,Sterling s estimate of 1.7%.

So the argument is for people with mixed intersex chromosomes should have the right to choose there identity based on how they feal inside when they get older, as a lot of cases can't be fully determined until puberty when they show signs.

I believe the treatments / surgeries going on these days are not restricted to "people with mixed intersex chromosomes".

I believe what is going on today is a huge money grab resulting from a program of indoctrination ... further resulting in destructive, mutilating surgeries being performed on females who "feel" like they are males and males who "feel" like they are females ... and when all is said and done and they've had their surgeries, they still are not content because what they "feel" like was never the issue to begin with ... treating the symptom instead of the cause ... the cause being drawn away from God through the lies of satan (whose ministry is to steal, kill, destroy).


John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Ezekiel 16.49

49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.

Why should sodomites mean sodomy only ?.

please read Ezekiel 16:49 together with Ezekiel 16:50

Ezekiel 16:49-50 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

I wholeheartedly agree that God provides fulness of bread to us so that we can then share of our abundance with those who are less fortunate (strengthen the hand of the poor and needy).

However, I do not believe God considers fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness, or not taking care of the poor and needy as committing abomination ... so what abomination was committed by Sodom?

Leviticus 18:22-26 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion [perversion]. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants. Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations ...
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[Fundaamental]

please read Ezekiel 16:49 together with Ezekiel 16:50

Ezekiel 16:49-50 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

I wholeheartedly agree that God provides fulness of bread to us so that we can then share of our abundance with those who are less fortunate (strengthen the hand of the poor and needy).

However, I do not believe God considers fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness, or not taking care of the poor and needy as committing abomination ... so what abomination was committed by Sodom?

Leviticus 18:22-26 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion [perversion]. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants. Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations ...
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yes the original translation found in the Hebrew. Was And with male you shall not lie lyings woman.” lyings can be found everywhere but in genesis 49.4 it refers to incest..

Incest is not an act commited by gay people who don't know each other its an act committed by family members of equal blood.

 

[Fundaamental]

aka hermaphrodites

In humans, each cell normally contains 23 pairs of chromosomes, for a total of 46. Twenty-two of these pairs, called autosomes, look the same in both males and females. The 23rd pair, the sex chromosomes, differ between males and females. Females have two copies of the X chromosome, while males have one X and one Y chromosome.
https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/understanding/basics/howmanychromosomes/#:~:text=The 23rd pair, the sex,Y, are the sex chromosomes.






If the term intersex is to retain any meaning, the term should be restricted to those conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex, or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female. Applying this more precise definition, the true prevalence of intersex is seen to be about 0.018%
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/#:~:text=Applying this more precise definition,Sterling s estimate of 1.7%.





I believe the treatments / surgeries going on these days are not restricted to "people with mixed intersex chromosomes".

I believe what is going on today is a huge money grab resulting from a program of indoctrination ... further resulting in destructive, mutilating surgeries being performed on females who "feel" like they are males and males who "feel" like they are females ... and when all is said and done and they've had their surgeries, they still are not content because what they "feel" like was never the issue to begin with ... treating the symptom instead of the cause ... the cause being drawn away from God through the lies of satan (whose ministry is to steal, kill, destroy).


John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
.

Gender reassignment surgery is also provided as a free service in the UK and is provided by our NHS if a doctor decided it's medically necessary.

So your idea about profiting is not accurate.

That's your opinion based on your own ideas of medical science.

For them to decide it's medically necessary that the government pays for it must have some credibility as to why

 

[Locoponydirtman]

reassignment surgery is also provided as a free service in the UK and is provided by our NHS if a doctor decided it's medically necessary.

So your idea about profiting is not accurate.

Its not a free service, its paid by taxpayers. Its still about the money.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

For them to decide it's medically necessary that the government pays for it must have some credibility as to why

This is laughable.

 

[Fundaamental]

Its not a free service, its paid by taxpayers. Its still about the money.

This is laughable.

this is both oppinion

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

yes the original translation found in the Hebrew. Was And with male you shall not lie lyings woman.” lyings can be found everywhere but in genesis 49.4 it refers to incest..

Incest is not an act commited by gay people who don't know each other its an act committed by family members of equal blood.

here we go again, taking ONE SOLO VERSE completely out of context and turning into some incorrect imagination.

look at the Verses before 16:49

for you are daughters of a Hittite mother and an Amorite father.
Your elder sister was Samaria
your younger sister was Sodom

Only this was the sin of your sister Sodom: arrogance!

INCEST YOU SAY?
these are CITIES, you know, towns, villages, communities, metropolitans, CITIES....not HUMAN BEINGS!

how can a CITY commit INCEST?

Give Fundaamental 5 minutes and he will make something up...

oh wait, YOU already DID!

aren't you tired of living in a make believe/pretend/fantasy world?

 

[Fundaamental]

here we go again, taking ONE SOLO VERSE completely out of context and turning into some incorrect imagination.

look at the Verses before 16:49

for you are daughters of a Hittite mother and an Amorite father.
Your elder sister was Samaria
your younger sister was Sodom

Only this was the sin of your sister Sodom: arrogance!

INCEST YOU SAY?
these are CITIES, you know, towns, villages, communities, metropolitans, CITIES....not HUMAN BEINGS!

how can a CITY commit INCEST?

Give Fundaamental 5 minutes and he will make something up...

oh wait, YOU already DID!

aren't you tired of living in a make believe/pretend/fantasy world?

nope I haven't taken anything out of context, renewed byfaith was claiming the sodomites where guilty of gay sex,

The original texts found in Leviticus 18:22-26 in the Hebrews suggest
From other translations people where guilty of incest in sodom

im not twisting nothing, just pointing out this fact.

that people are to to quick to condemn gays with sodom and gamora when it was more like incest

 

[Fundaamental]

here we go again, taking ONE SOLO VERSE completely out of context and turning into some incorrect imagination.

look at the Verses before 16:49

for you are daughters of a Hittite mother and an Amorite father.
Your elder sister was Samaria
your younger sister was Sodom

Only this was the sin of your sister Sodom: arrogance!

INCEST YOU SAY?
these are CITIES, you know, towns, villages, communities, metropolitans, CITIES....not HUMAN BEINGS!

how can a CITY commit INCEST?

Give Fundaamental 5 minutes and he will make something up...

oh wait, YOU already DID!

aren't you tired of living in a make believe/pretend/fantasy world?

the main sin of Sodom was not helping the poor and needy

 

[reneweddaybyday]

lyings can be found everywhere but in genesis 49.4 it refers to incest..

Genesus 49:3-4 Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power: Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel; because thou wentest up to thy father's bed; then defiledst thou it: he went up to my couch.

Reuben dishonored Jacob when he had sexual relations with Bilhah ... who was formerly the handmaid of Rachel.


Laban, Rachel's father, gave Bilhah to Rachel as a handmaid:

Genesis 29:29 And Laban gave to Rachel his daughter Bilhah his handmaid to be her maid.


When Rachel did not bear children, she encouraged Jacob to have children with Bilhah:

Genesis 30:1-5 And when Rachel saw that she bare Jacob no children, Rachel envied her sister; and said unto Jacob, Give me children, or else I die. And Jacob's anger was kindled against Rachel: and he said, Am I in God's stead, who hath withheld from thee the fruit of the womb? And she [Rachel] said, Behold my maid Bilhah, go in unto her; and she shall bear upon my knees, that I may also have children by her. And she [Rachel] gave him Bilhah her handmaid to wife: and Jacob went in unto her. And Bilhah conceived, and bare Jacob a son.


Reuben, the eldest son of Jacob, had sexual relations with Bilhah:

Genesis 35:22 And it came to pass, when Israel dwelt in that land, that Reuben went and lay with Bilhah his father's concubine ...

Reuben disgraced his father when he did this. However, there was no incest involved.

Incest is not an act commited by gay people who don't know each other its an act committed by family members of equal blood.

Reuben did not have an incestual relationship with Bilhah. Bilhah was not of the bloodline of Reuben.
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[Blain]

And here they are, what should be the ruling for male and female sharing the same body



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This is not the same thing as gender issues

 

[Blain]

Nope it has everything to do with op.

A persons gender designated to a baby at birth gives that baby no right to challenge who they want to be later in life in the case of that picture.

Besides that can a transgender who has had a sex change come to Christ.

The lord says any individual is free to make a choice.

What the individual does to there body should be there choice.

People may say that's living in sin.

But still that's that person's choice.

As you saw from the picture that hormone defects are a natural phenomena.

Until science as proven without a shadow of doubt that hormone imbalance don't cause men or women to be gay, or make people decide to go transgender, then I'm on the fence.

Because of those pictures.

And also many people live in sin befor they come to Christ.

I am going to have to stop you right here. This is not good you seem to be trying to make a case for sex change and no it is not our choice to do what we want with our body it is a vessel a temple for the Lord you don't mess with his temple.

And the pictures your showing are a gentic defect because of the seed war. From the start when God cursed the serpent the seed war had started the devil corrupts and defects what God has created but God decides the destiny of that person this genetic defect your showing has nothing to do with gender and I don't like what I have seen from you in this thread so far it honestly made me feel disturbed inside.

 

[Fundaamental]

I am going to have to stop you right here. This is not good you seem to be trying to make a case for sex change and no it is not our choice to do what we want with our body it is a vessel a temple for the Lord you don't mess with his temple.

And the pictures your showing are a gentic defect because of the seed war. From the start when God cursed the serpent the seed war had started the devil corrupts and defects what God has created but God decides the destiny of that person this genetic defect your showing has nothing to do with gender and I don't like what I have seen from you in this thread so far it honestly made me feel disturbed inside.

I'm going to have to stop you right here.

The courts of law and modern day science based on proven medical facts has made the case for sex change not me.

The child teenager hasn't made the case for a sex change either.

Your not a young teenager going through sexual identity crisis niether.

You don't have the right to choose a persons sexual identity where a child has mixed intersex chromosomes cells either.

Modern day law permits the child teenager to let the child decide at the age of accountability.

 

[Fundaamental]

I am going to have to stop you right here. This is not good you seem to be trying to make a case for sex change and no it is not our choice to do what we want with our body it is a vessel a temple for the Lord you don't mess with his temple.

And the pictures your showing are a gentic defect because of the seed war. From the start when God cursed the serpent the seed war had started the devil corrupts and defects what God has created but God decides the destiny of that person this genetic defect your showing has nothing to do with gender and I don't like what I have seen from you in this thread so far it honestly made me feel disturbed inside.

yeah the mating with angels crap.

Don't buy it sorry

That more perverse thinking than a poor child going through sexual identity crisis in my book.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

So your idea about profiting is not accurate.

That's your opinion based on your own ideas of medical science.

The Pentagon has spent $15 million in the past five years to treat 1,892 transgender troops, including $11.5 million for psychotherapy and $3.1 million for surgeries, according to Defense Department data provided to Military.com
Here's How Much the Pentagon Has Spent So Far to Treat Transgender Troops | Military.com

$15,000,000 ÷ 1,892 = $7,928 each​

The U.S. sex reassignment surgery market size was valued at USD 1.9 billion in 2021 and is expected to expand at a compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of 11.23% from 2022 to 2030.
U.S. Sex Reassignment Surgery Market Report, 2022-2030 (grandviewresearch.com)

Calculated out:

2022 = $1,900,000,000 x 11.23% = $213,370,000 ... $1,900,000,000 + $213,370,000 = $2,113,370,000​

2023 = $2,113,370,000 x 11.23% = $237,331,451 ... $2,113,370,000 + $237,331,451 = $2,350,701,451​

2024 = $2,350,701,451 x 11.23% = $263,983,773 ... $2,350,701,451 + $263,983,773 = $2,614,685,224​

2025 = $2,614,685,224 x 11.23% = $293,625,151 ... $2,614,685,224 + $293,625,151 = $2,908,314,375​

2026 = $2,908,314,375 x 11.23% = $326,603,704 ... $2,908,314,375 + $326,603,704 = $3,234,918,079​

2027 = $3,234,918,079 x 11.23% = $363,281,300 ... $3,234,918,079 + $363,281,300 = $3,598,199,379​

2028 = $3,598,199,379 x 11.23% = $404,077,790 ... $3,598,199,379 + $404,077,790 = $4,002,277,169​

2029 = $4,003,277,169 x 11.23% = $449,455,726 ... $4002,277,169 + $449,455,726 = $4,451,732,896​

2030 = $4,451,732,896 x 11.23% = $499,929,604 ... $4,451,732,896 + $499,929,604 = $4,951,662,500​

so ... by 2030, USD 1.9 billion expands to USD 4.9 billion ... love of money is the root of all evil ... has nothing to do with love for those who suffer from gender dysphoria ... has everything to do with monetarily benefitting from someone who is in desperate need of the healing found only in the Lord Jesus Christ.

For them to decide it's medically necessary that the government pays for it must have some credibility as to why

as Locoponydirtman pointed out ... the government does not pay for anything. I, as a taxpayer, pay for something I do not agree with.

... follow the money ...

politicians support this horrible assault on humankind by satan and their political campaigns overflow with donations from those who are in league with satan in their support of this utter godlessness ...

pharmaceutical companies support this horrible assault on humankind by satan and lobby the politicians ...

hospitals support this horrible assault on humankind by satan and their doors stay open through taxpayer funding ...

wake up to what is really going on, Fundaamental ...


Ephesians 6:10-12 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
.

 

[Fundaamental]

Genesus 49:3-4 Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power: Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel; because thou wentest up to thy father's bed; then defiledst thou it: he went up to my couch.

Reuben dishonored Jacob when he had sexual relations with Bilhah ... who was formerly the handmaid of Rachel.


Laban, Rachel's father, gave Bilhah to Rachel as a handmaid:

Genesis 29:29 And Laban gave to Rachel his daughter Bilhah his handmaid to be her maid.


When Rachel did not bear children, she encouraged Jacob to have children with Bilhah:

Genesis 30:1-5 And when Rachel saw that she bare Jacob no children, Rachel envied her sister; and said unto Jacob, Give me children, or else I die. And Jacob's anger was kindled against Rachel: and he said, Am I in God's stead, who hath withheld from thee the fruit of the womb? And she [Rachel] said, Behold my maid Bilhah, go in unto her; and she shall bear upon my knees, that I may also have children by her. And she [Rachel] gave him Bilhah her handmaid to wife: and Jacob went in unto her. And Bilhah conceived, and bare Jacob a son.


Reuben, the eldest son of Jacob, had sexual relations with Bilhah:

Genesis 35:22 And it came to pass, when Israel dwelt in that land, that Reuben went and lay with Bilhah his father's concubine ...

Reuben disgraced his father when he did this. However, there was no incest involved.





Reuben did not have an incestual relationship with Bilhah. Bilhah was not of the bloodline of Reuben.
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to be honest with you I'm not in the slightest bit interested what the sexual crimes of Sodom and gamora was.

There main sin was not helping the poor and needy.

Genesis 49.4 according to biblical sources based on original translations is related to incest.

To be honest incest gay sex there all the same I'm not interested in this argument

Besides that crap adultery exists amongst believers and fornication,

As for me I'm a happy married loyal husband now 😊.

All tho before my marriage I did have female partners.

I know the lord has forgiven me.

My point of discussion has been about the need to help young people going through sexual identity crisis.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

The original texts found in Leviticus 18:22-26 in the Hebrews suggest
From other translations people where guilty of incest in sodom

nope ... I cleared up your misinterpretation of Leviticus 18:22-26 here.

Sodom and Gomorrha were judged for their abominable behavior ...

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

... which had nothing to do with incest or, as you claim, "not helping the poor and needy".

im not twisting nothing, just pointing out this fact.

that people are to to quick to condemn gays with sodom and gamora when it was more like incest

You can either believe Scripture ... or reject the truth by suppressing the truth in unrighteousness.

Romans 1:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

vs 18 - to hold the truth in unrighteousness means to suppress the truth. the truth has been revealed to you and you can either believe it or suppress in unrighteousness.
.

 

[Fundaamental]

The Pentagon has spent $15 million in the past five years to treat 1,892 transgender troops, including $11.5 million for psychotherapy and $3.1 million for surgeries, according to Defense Department data provided to Military.com
Here's How Much the Pentagon Has Spent So Far to Treat Transgender Troops | Military.com

$15,000,000 ÷ 1,892 = $7,928 each​

The U.S. sex reassignment surgery market size was valued at USD 1.9 billion in 2021 and is expected to expand at a compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of 11.23% from 2022 to 2030.
U.S. Sex Reassignment Surgery Market Report, 2022-2030 (grandviewresearch.com)

Calculated out:

2022 = $1,900,000,000 x 11.23% = $213,370,000 ... $1,900,000,000 + $213,370,000 = $2,113,370,000​

2023 = $2,113,370,000 x 11.23% = $237,331,451 ... $2,113,370,000 + $237,331,451 = $2,350,701,451​

2024 = $2,350,701,451 x 11.23% = $263,983,773 ... $2,350,701,451 + $263,983,773 = $2,614,685,224​

2025 = $2,614,685,224 x 11.23% = $293,625,151 ... $2,614,685,224 + $293,625,151 = $2,908,314,375​

2026 = $2,908,314,375 x 11.23% = $326,603,704 ... $2,908,314,375 + $326,603,704 = $3,234,918,079​

2027 = $3,234,918,079 x 11.23% = $363,281,300 ... $3,234,918,079 + $363,281,300 = $3,598,199,379​

2028 = $3,598,199,379 x 11.23% = $404,077,790 ... $3,598,199,379 + $404,077,790 = $4,002,277,169​

2029 = $4,003,277,169 x 11.23% = $449,455,726 ... $4002,277,169 + $449,455,726 = $4,451,732,896​

2030 = $4,451,732,896 x 11.23% = $499,929,604 ... $4,451,732,896 + $499,929,604 = $4,951,662,500​

so ... by 2030, USD 1.9 billion expands to USD 4.9 billion ... love of money is the root of all evil ... has nothing to do with love for those who suffer from gender dysphoria ... has everything to do with monetarily benefitting from someone who is in desperate need of the healing found only in the Lord Jesus Christ.




as Locoponydirtman pointed out ... the government does not pay for anything. I, as a taxpayer, pay for something I do not agree with.

... follow the money ...

politicians support this horrible assault on humankind by satan and their political campaigns overflow with donations from those who are in league with satan in their support of this utter godlessness ...

pharmaceutical companies support this horrible assault on humankind by satan and lobby the politicians ...

hospitals support this horrible assault on humankind by satan and their doors stay open through taxpayer funding ...

wake up to what is really going on, Fundaamental ...


Ephesians 6:10-12 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
.

well you can spout your numbers of all you like I trust our NHS service and the advice of NHS doctors, who don't do the operations themselfs, but have enough expert knowledged to know when a person is eligible to be considered for gender identity correction.

Or gender identity change

 

[Fundaamental]

nope ... I cleared up your misinterpretation of Leviticus 18:22-26 here.

Sodom and Gomorrha were judged for their abominable behavior ...

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

... which had nothing to do with incest or, as you claim, "not helping the poor and needy".





You can either believe Scripture ... or reject the truth by suppressing the truth in unrighteousness.

Romans 1:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

vs 18 - to hold the truth in unrighteousness means to suppress the truth. the truth has been revealed to you and you can either believe it or suppress in unrighteousness.
.

you still haven't acknowledged the main sin of sodom and gamora was not helping the poor and needy