The court ruling on LGBT ENDS THIS DEBATE

[JohnDB]

Enticing others to engage in or promoting sin/evil as "good" has two names....one is moral turpitude and the other is "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit"

To think that Christians would engage in such an activity is the very definition of insanity. With all that is within us we oppose such things.

 

[Fundaamental]

Because ALL sin is condemned.

However, homosexuality is an abomination....there exists a natural reaction to homosexuality. (Revulsion)

God created the natural order. Anything outside of that is perversion as in perverted. Romans 1 and beginning of 2 clearly states why and how. This crap about birth defects is less than a half percent of 1/10,000 of the population.

Meaning not very often whatsoever and is not needing to be broadcast in every school, public platform, and church in order to cause gender dysphoria (mental illness) in children. Because then you are promoting sin.

any sin which is not repented of,

Is worthy of hell it doesn't matter if you define one sin as an abomination.

If you have sex befor marriage you can go to hell for it, if you don't repent.

Let's say hypothetically you where
In hell, would you say to a gay person your an abomination if you where there for a sin of sex befor marriage,

 

[Fundaamental]

Enticing others to engage in or promoting sin/evil as "good" has two names....one is moral turpitude and the other is "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit"

To think that Christians would engage in such an activity is the very definition of insanity. With all that is within us we oppose such things.

who are you directing this at, ?

 

[JohnDB]

any sin which is not repented of,

Is worthy of hell it doesn't matter if you define one sin as an abomination.

If you have sex befor marriage you can go to hell for it, if you don't repent.

Let's say hypothetically you where
In hell, would you say to a gay person your an abomination if you where there for a sin of sex befor marriage,

Fornication is not an abomination. It doesn't change your identity the way homosexuality does.
But that's not really the way it works.

Homosexuality is the result of sin...as well as a sin in and of itself.
It is nature's way of not allowing the error to continue into offspring. Which is why homosexuals innately want access to children.

 

[JohnDB]

who are you directing this at, ?

Anyone who promotes sin and perversion.

 

[Fundaamental]

Fornication is not an abomination. It doesn't change your identity the way homosexuality does.
But that's not really the way it works.

Homosexuality is the result of sin...as well as a sin in and of itself.
It is nature's way of not allowing the error to continue into offspring. Which is why homosexuals innately want access to children.

I've had this discussion already it's not just gays who want access to children.

That is something called incest to I believe where by the parents abused there children.

In fact all older translation only had incest as the abominable act, gays was added later on in the bible.

So the original abominable act was incest abuse of children with no mention of gays

 

[JohnDB]

I've had this discussion already it's not just gays who want access to children.

That is something called incest to I believe where by the parents abused there children.

In fact all older translation only had incest as the abominable act, gays was added later on in the bible.

So the original abominable act was incest abuse of children with no mention of gays

Nope....complete bovine feces.

The Westermark effect/incest is not mentioned in the same verses as homosexuality...it's several verses later and it resulted in many various punitive actions by God.

The description by scripture for all LGBTQ activities is "abomination".....as in the abomination that causes desolation. It was subject to an immediate death sentence when discovered.

Hebrew is a metaphoric language and at times somewhat "fluid" in that euphemisms were regularly employed for bad names and words. Homosexuality had its own word...."dog". An unclean animal. As in "the wages of a dog are not welcome/unwanted by God." And its not because of their poverty....it's because it's unclean. Money made by performing sin.
Homosexuals want acceptance and especially approval but get NONE from God or me.
The best they can hope for from us people today is tolerance....as in we don't do "Old Testament justice". I'm perfectly fine with incarceration though until such time as their mental health can be cured. Because I'm not OK with the moral turpitude(perversion) that homosexuals promote and encourage especially in children. The statistics surrounding homosexuality and children (pedophilia) are not ones that the LGBTQ community want discussed whatsoever. Because they point a definite finger straight at these people.

Modern science as well as scripture have the same conclusions....politics are vile to begin with and that's the ONLY group in opposition.

 

[Fundaamental]

Nope....complete bovine feces.

The Westermark effect/incest is not mentioned in the same verses as homosexuality...it's several verses later and it resulted in many various punitive actions by God.

The description by scripture for all LGBTQ activities is "abomination".....as in the abomination that causes desolation. It was subject to an immediate death sentence when discovered.

Hebrew is a metaphoric language and at times somewhat "fluid" in that euphemisms were regularly employed for bad names and words. Homosexuality had its own word...."dog". An unclean animal. As in "the wages of a dog are not welcome/unwanted by God." And its not because of their poverty....it's because it's unclean. Money made by performing sin.
Homosexuals want acceptance and especially approval but get NONE from God or me.
The best they can hope for from us people today is tolerance....as in we don't do "Old Testament justice". I'm perfectly fine with incarceration though until such time as their mental health can be cured. Because I'm not OK with the moral turpitude(perversion) that homosexuals promote and encourage especially in children. The statistics surrounding homosexuality and children (pedophilia) are not ones that the LGBTQ community want discussed whatsoever. Because they point a definite finger straight at these people.

Modern science as well as scripture have the same conclusions....politics are vile to begin with and that's the ONLY group in opposition.

Gays need acceptance from Christ especially those who struggle with identity in early teenage years, to say gays are looking for acceptance to justifying commiting gay sin is a different matter all together and has nothing to do with what I have been discussing,

 

[JohnDB]

Gays need acceptance from Christ especially those who struggle with identity in early teenage years, to say gays are looking for acceptance to justifying commiting gay sin is a different matter all together and has nothing to do with what I have been discussing,

As Romans has made clear, homosexuality is the result of sin while being a sin in and of itself.

It is a PRIMARY identity. One that precludes all others with Christ.

You cannot be an Antichrist Christian...
Which is what you are claiming. I'm not confused or going to be confused or mince words with you on the subject.

LGBTQ are an abomination to God.
And waving a symbol of God's weapon (the rainbow) in God's face to claim He is powerless to do anything is as dumb as it gets. God cannot be mocked. I'd rather be anything other than a rainbow waving idiot. Just because you believe that a train isn't coming is not going to keep it from running over you. That train won't even hiccup as it turns you into unidentifiable hamburger.

 

[Fundaamental]

As Romans has made clear, homosexuality is the result of sin while being a sin in and of itself.

It is a PRIMARY identity. One that precludes all others with Christ.

You cannot be an Antichrist Christian...
Which is what you are claiming. I'm not confused or going to be confused or mince words with you on the subject.

LGBTQ are an abomination to God.
And waving a symbol of God's weapon (the rainbow) in God's face to claim He is powerless to do anything is as dumb as it gets. God cannot be mocked. I'd rather be anything other than a rainbow waving idiot. Just because you believe that a train isn't coming is not going to keep it from running over you. That train won't even hiccup as it turns you into unidentifiable hamburger.

oh I see so when you said what you where sayin earlier was directed at anyone it was actually directed at me, judging by your response here,

Advocating sin is something your not going to repent of here, I hope you do along with others,

But to those who condemn people for being gay who don't commit gay sin is advocating sin in my book.

What would you say to that

 

[JohnDB]

oh I see so when you said what you where sayin earlier was directed at anyone it was actually directed at me, judging by your response here,

Advocating sin is something your not going to repent of here, I hope you do along with others,

But to those who condemn people for being gay who don't commit gay sin is advocating sin in my book.

What would you say to that

I don't condemn anyone. Again with the warped thinking. They condemn themselves as I have explicitly said. They are spiritual zombies....the walking dead. Homosexuality is the result of sin.

Since the beginning a measure of grace was extended to mankind. Exceeding that measure of grace results in catastrophic consequences such as Homosexuality....a spiritual death sentence by God and Nature.

 

[Fundaamental]

I don't condemn anyone. Again with the warped thinking. They condemn themselves as I have explicitly said. They are spiritual zombies....the walking dead. Homosexuality is the result of sin.

Since the beginning a measure of grace was extended to mankind. Exceeding that measure of grace results in catastrophic consequences such as Homosexuality....a spiritual death sentence by God and Nature.

have you read the whole thread ?.

Jesus said people can be born eunuchs which is born with a sex organ defect.

Modern day people are born with transgender defects. The same type that people have done to them selves.

Listen carefully

I am not supporting the sin of people who choose to be the opposite sex with no clear proof they have the opposite chromosome, the powers that be be in this world will have to answer for that too.

Because theese people would not get such opp if the powers that be did not influence their decision.

For me gene expression will one day be fully unlocked, to fix natural defects this way.

And possibly unlock all the missing DNA they can't determine what there for at the moment,

Which doctors are not dismissing junk DNA they can't account for at present, could have something to do with a part of the brain that makes people normal in terms of being attracted to the opposite sex.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I think the harlot is juxtaposed against the true bride of Christ. Therefore we are looking for a false representation of a chaste church, one who claims spiritual hegemony but is really a hollow shell.

In our time (A.D.) this represents the amalgamation of the state and the church: precisely, like the Roman, Anglican, Ukranian churches, and by delineation, like the Evangelical, Baptist, Methodist churches. Churches promise legacy by means of politics. This is a whore’s exchange and a transactional model of harlotry.

Sooo any denominational name is a whore and harlotry? Wow, between you and RA I have to wonder why we should try to get anyone saved. smh What foolishness.

 

[JohnDB]

have you read the whole thread ?.

Jesus said people can be born eunuchs which is born with a sex organ defect.

Modern day people are born with transgender defects. The same type that people have done to them selves.

Listen carefully

I am not supporting the sin of people who choose to be the opposite sex with no clear proof they have the opposite chromosome, the powers that be be in this world will have to answer for that too.

Because theese people would not get such opp if the powers that be did not influence their decision.

For me gene expression will one day be fully unlocked, to fix natural defects this way.

And possibly unlock all the missing DNA they can't determine what there for at the moment,

Which doctors are not dismissing junk DNA they can't account for at present, could have something to do with a part of the brain that makes people normal in terms of being attracted to the opposite sex.

Again with the confusion....less than a half percent of 1/10,000 have unich birth defects.

It's not related or relevant to our discussion. (I'm in late)

And the point is that LGBTQ are an abomination. They are perverts engaged in moral turpitude. They are antichrists. They have no hope of salvation. Peter quoted Solomon by saying "a dog returns to its vomit". Kinda graphic and blunt....but I'm not going to argue the point whatsoever.

What do you have to add to Saint Peter quoting the Wisest guy Solomon by saying "a dog returns to its vomit" ?

 

[Fundaamental]

Again with the confusion....less than a half percent of 1/10,000 have unich birth defects.

It's not related or relevant to our discussion. (I'm in late)

And the point is that LGBTQ are an abomination. They are perverts engaged in moral turpitude. They are antichrists. They have no hope of salvation. Peter quoted Solomon by saying "a dog returns to its vomit". Kinda graphic and blunt....but I'm not going to argue the point whatsoever.

What do you have to add to Saint Peter quoting the Wisest guy Solomon by saying "a dog returns to its vomit" ?

from research mixed intersex chromosomes effect 1 in 2000 births from evidence provided by many sources.

One member pointed out that could be as much as 140 million people.

Research also points out that theres good chance other defects can cause a person to have no attraction to the opposite sex, so when you discuss situations of gay sin I'm discussing natural defects with no association to gay sin.

For instance a young adult could be gay or think there gay in Brain development which doesn't fully stop to there early twenties.

Listen carefully thet may commit gay sin they may not.

They may commit gay sin and no longer commit it again.
They may stay with no attraction to the oppersites sex all there life, but still even have the opposite sex partner.

 

[Fundaamental]

For mature adult discussion only

Is My Husband Gay? Signs of a Gay Husband

https://www.healthyplace.com/gender/gay/is-my-husband-gay-signs-of-a-gay-husband




Sometimes a woman may have been in a heterosexual relationship for years and yet feel something is somehow "off;" and she may find herself asking, "Is my husband gay?" Many women find this question unthinkable but according to Bonnie Kaye, M.ED., an expert in women married to gay men, it is estimated that 4 million women have been, or are, married to gay men.

 

[Fundaamental]

One of the biggest signs somebody is gay is those who continuously talk about gay sexual sin.

Or those who call gay people names, it's thought that those who repeatedly say faggot this or faggot that is a result of the own inner personal conflict

 

[reneweddaybyday]

When you become a parent, you know to expect the unexpected. But for many Christian parents, nothing can prepare them to hear that their beloved child is gay. This is the child you have cradled, spoon fed mashed bananas, and dreamed a beautiful future for. How could this be? What will the church say? What will your friends say? What does the future hold? You can’t even get your head around this.

the same would hold true when parents see their child addicted to drugs ... or involved in theft ... or any other activity God tells us is sin.

No parent sees their infant child and says to him or herself "my goal is to train this child to become the best liar on the planet" ...

sin is sin and all sin is broken fellowship with the Father ... but some sin is more detrimental - those sins which God tells us are abomination to Him - idolatry ... homosexuality ... bestiality ... sacrifice to Molech (infanticide / modern day abortion) ... to name a few.

When God warns us about sin and abomination ... He does not do so because He is withholding something good from us. God warns us because THAT IS WHAT IS BEST FOR US IN OUR LIVES!!!

some of the emotional and physical scars we carry in our lives are due to us not paying attention to God's warning ... and we have to live with what we have done. That is one of the reasons why transgender treatment ... strong hormonal / pharmaceutical treatment ... surgeries ... sexual behaviors engaged in ... etc., etc. ... as well as homosexuality ... needs to be exposed as the lie it is. The whole lifestyle is sinful and manmade laws wherein sexual promiscuity is protected behavior and God fearing believers who shout the warning are accused of being "haters" ... these laws do not make sexual perversion acceptable to God.

a great verse to memorize is Romans 6:21:

Romans 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

There is no good fruit in any of the sinful behaviors we engage in ... and while we know from Scripture that once we are born again, all past sin is forgiven by God ... that old lying accuser of the brethren will continuously throw things at us and our memories recall things. We know it's not God bringing stuff to our memory because He tells us As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us - Psalm 103:12. However, the born again one lives with the shame of past actions and behaviors.

Scripture also tells us:

Ezekiel 33:

2 Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:

3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;

4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.

5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.

6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

Believers are to warn others and if the warning is ignored and calamity results on those who ignore, that is their own fault. Those who heed the warning are delivered from the calamity.

But if believers do not warn and calamity results, the believer will answer for not sounding the warning.
.

 

[Fundaamental]

the same would hold true when parents see their child addicted to drugs ... or involved in theft ... or any other activity God tells us is sin.

No parent sees their infant child and says to him or herself "my goal is to train this child to become the best liar on the planet" ...

sin is sin and all sin is broken fellowship with the Father ... but some sin is more detrimental - those sins which God tells us are abomination to Him - idolatry ... homosexuality ... bestiality ... sacrifice to Molech (infanticide / modern day abortion) ... to name a few.

When God warns us about sin and abomination ... He does not do so because He is withholding something good from us. God warns us because THAT IS WHAT IS BEST FOR US IN OUR LIVES!!!

some of the emotional and physical scars we carry in our lives are due to us not paying attention to God's warning ... and we have to live with what we have done. That is one of the reasons why transgender treatment ... strong hormonal / pharmaceutical treatment ... surgeries ... sexual behaviors engaged in ... etc., etc. ... as well as homosexuality ... needs to be exposed as the lie it is. The whole lifestyle is sinful and manmade laws wherein sexual promiscuity is protected behavior and God fearing believers who shout the warning are accused of being "haters" ... these laws do not make sexual perversion acceptable to God.

a great verse to memorize is Romans 6:21:

Romans 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

There is no good fruit in any of the sinful behaviors we engage in ... and while we know from Scripture that once we are born again, all past sin is forgiven by God ... that old lying accuser of the brethren will continuously throw things at us and our memories recall things. We know it's not God bringing stuff to our memory because He tells us As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us - Psalm 103:12. However, the born again one lives with the shame of past actions and behaviors.

Scripture also tells us:

Ezekiel 33:

2 Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:

3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;

4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.

5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.

6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

Believers are to warn others and if the warning is ignored and calamity results on those who ignore, that is their own fault. Those who heed the warning are delivered from the calamity.

But if believers do not warn and calamity results, the believer will answer for not sounding the warning.
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I have a problem with believers living with the shame of there past.

I can see emotional scars being an issue all tho I don't see that be something to cause shame for mature Christians but maybe new Christians.

But mature aldults would know this common sense to regardless of being Christian.

I need help defining what your saying here.

 

[JohnDB]

from research mixed intersex chromosomes effect 1 in 2000 births from evidence provided by many sources.

One member pointed out that could be as much as 140 million people.

Research also points out that theres good chance other defects can cause a person to have no attraction to the opposite sex, so when you discuss situations of gay sin I'm discussing natural defects with no association to gay sin.

Phoney research is fake research with phoney results.

One look at the blizzard of Covid-19 research proves that instantly....some of which was done by a former janitor of a hospital claiming to have an MD and a PhD in immunology. Then this study was also supposedly "peer reviewed". Again the "peers" were activists with no degrees in scientific methods.

So....
Once again we have you promoting sin!

There is no RELIABLE research that you are quoting that says what you are promoting.

Overinflated bovine excrement to push an agenda of gender dysphoria and mental illness.

In John 5 Jesus asks the lame man a question. "Do you want to be well? "

You are claiming that he should have said "No, but I want to get outta here just the same ".
!!!!!!!???
Where's The Freedom?

Promoting sin is Antichrist behavior.
Sewing seeds of Confusion is more antichrist behavior.