Global warming or upcoming ice age

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22991992/uk-weather-exact-date-temperatures-plummet/

Blessings, 😊

In the UK last year throughout most of the summer we had no rain temperatures in the low to mid 30s and temperatures exceeded 40c for the first time in the UK, causing some land fires,

This year however highest temperature as being 30 Celsius in the UK with lots of rain throughout the summer and now we're seeing temperatures plummet to as low as eight Celsius this week.

The UK is currently in the height of summer.
This one could have been made into a poll, with the two questions provided. I'm thinking global warming, as God said the rivers will run dry (Euphrates) in the Bible, and rivers drying is one consequence of human induced climate change.
 

Fundaamental

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This one could have been made into a poll, with the two questions provided. I'm thinking global warming, as God said the rivers will run dry (Euphrates) in the Bible, and rivers drying is one consequence of human induced climate change.
good suggestion I have just asked the mods to add a poll thanks 👍
 

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I believe there is a silver lining to "global warming" and that is that it will make billions, even trillions for those who are pushing the green new deal.

I get how if you believe that splitting the atom could make a bomb you would put all the best scientists into Los Alamos to do this.

But if you believe that global warming is real why would you put John Kerry on his private plane, Dicaprio will tweet from his yacht, Kamla will giggle about reducing population and AOC will scream about we are all going to die in the next few years and Greta makes us all feel guilty.

Why would you have all the best bozos working on this?
 

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I believe there is a silver lining to "global warming" and that is that it will make billions, even trillions for those who are pushing the green new deal.

I get how if you believe that splitting the atom could make a bomb you would put all the best scientists into Los Alamos to do this.

But if you believe that global warming is real why would you put John Kerry on his private plane, Dicaprio will tweet from his yacht, Kamla will giggle about reducing population and AOC will scream about we are all going to die in the next few years and Greta makes us all feel guilty.

Why would you have all the best bozos working on this?
could you define exactly what global warming is to you.

Is it you believe there's no such thing ? Im just a tad bit confused,

Do you see global warming as a natural cycle

Do you dismiss mankind is not adding to that natural cycle, just so I know where I'm reasoning with your views
 

Fundaamental

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Awesome. My response is that global warming is real, and God told us to be good stewards of the Earth.
I think @Magenta is a mod

Maybe she can add a poll 🙂 with these answers

Global warming is happening

Global warming with Ice age coming soon

Global warming and man made extra contribution.

I just believe the earth is in a natural cycle

No I don't believe we are in global warming

No i don't believe we are in climate change
 
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I think @Magenta is a mod

Maybe she can add a poll 🙂 with these answers

Global warming is happening

Global warming with Ice age coming soon

Global warming and man made extra contribution.

I just believe the earth is in a natural cycle

No I don't believe we are in global warming

No i don't believe we are in climate change
Yeah, or this:

1. Mostly man made climate change
2a. Mostly Natural warming cycle
2b. A mix of both natural and man made causes for climate change
3. No global warming is present
4. Ice age may happen soon
5. Not enough data to confirm nor deny global warming
 

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I think @Magenta is a mod

Maybe she can add a poll 🙂 with these answers
There is only one forum mod and it is not me... .:D

Plus, I am not one to create threads
.:)

I just made a
post (<= link) about that yesterday LOL
 

Fundaamental

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I believe there is a silver lining to "global warming" and that is that it will make billions, even trillions for those who are pushing the green new deal.

I get how if you believe that splitting the atom could make a bomb you would put all the best scientists into Los Alamos to do this.

But if you believe that global warming is real why would you put John Kerry on his private plane, Dicaprio will tweet from his yacht, Kamla will giggle about reducing population and AOC will scream about we are all going to die in the next few years and Greta makes us all feel guilty.

Why would you have all the best bozos working on this?
This is what I was talking about earlier
https://theconversation.com/fossil-...te-change-by-heating-earth-from-within-121331


When oil and gas is extracted, the voids fill with water, which is a less effective insulator. This means more heat from the Earth's interior can be conducted to the surface, causing the land and the ocean to warm.19 Aug 2019
 

Fundaamental

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Then there's this

Rising heat
Between 2007 and 2017, 45.5 billion tonnes of oil and 36.3 billion cubic metres of natural gas were removed from the Earth’s crust. When oil and gas is extracted, the voids fill with water, which is a less effective insulator. This means more heat from the Earth’s interior can be conducted to the surface, causing the land and the ocean to warm.
 

Fundaamental

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Yeah, or this:

1. Mostly man made climate change
2a. Mostly Natural warming cycle
2b. A mix of both natural and man made causes for climate change
3. No global warming is present
4. Ice age may happen soon
5. Not enough data to confirm nor deny global warming
start a new thread with a poll 🤠 I will join in 🙂
 

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Thanks I enjoyed that video, I watched it all. Apparently Yellowstone is 40.000 years overdue a supper volcanoe, having watched it tho there is indication that volcanoes are permanent heat spots of the earth like I suggested earlier 🙂

But again could gravitation pull from external sources become stronger the more natural oil we take out of the ground, surely it would pull more heat out of the ground,

What I think your meaning fracking where they pump drilling mud into a well to crack the cavity so surrounding oil deposits can seep into it. I suppose there are many factors to look at concerning a volcanic eruption,earthquakes ect.... Water for instance is 8.24 pounds per gallon (3.78 kilograms). A gallon of ice is 7.5598405 pounds or 3470.4665 grams. So I would think gravity would be not only dependent of the weight of the earth crust but also the amount of water in the soil (gallon of soil with water saturating it) or snow, or the weight of an glacier ect. or as you suggest the weight of the oil removed from a well(they usually refill the cavity with drilling mud after pumping it). So many factors like how much does the snow on a mountain weigh? And if it melts and runs down hill and into the underground aquifer how much weight will it add there? It all depends on where the magma chamber is and if removing the weight will trigger an event verses will the weight of melting ice/snow add to the weight over it and cause an event? Even down to the Moon phase's and high tide or low tide can alter the weight on the earths crust.
 

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What I think your meaning fracking where they pump drilling mud into a well to crack the cavity so surrounding oil deposits can seep into it. I suppose there are many factors to look at concerning a volcanic eruption,earthquakes ect.... Water for instance is 8.24 pounds per gallon (3.78 kilograms). A gallon of ice is 7.5598405 pounds or 3470.4665 grams. So I would think gravity would be not only dependent of the weight of the earth crust but also the amount of water in the soil (gallon of soil with water saturating it) or snow, or the weight of an glacier ect. or as you suggest the weight of the oil removed from a well(they usually refill the cavity with drilling mud after pumping it). So many factors like how much does the snow on a mountain weigh? And if it melts and runs down hill and into the underground aquifer how much weight will it add there? It all depends on where the magma chamber is and if removing the weight will trigger an event verses will the weight of melting ice/snow add to the weight over it and cause an event? Even down to the Moon phase's and high tide or low tide can alter the weight on the earths crust.
some good points here for sure with fracking that also have issues, such as causing earth quakes.

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Look at the picture you see drilling straight into oil reservoirs, a different method to fracking.

The reservoirs full up with water after taking the oil out.

Back in 2009, two scientists in Sweden argued that thermal emissions were more important than CO₂ for raising global temperatures. A few years later, two Chinese scientists suggested that heat from the earth’s interior could be contributing to rising temperatures. They argued that fossil fuels such as coal, oil and gas in layers and crevices beneath the Earth’s surface act as an insulating blanket, trapping heat from the planet’s interior. As these deposits have been emptied by fossil fuel extraction, more of that heat could be reaching the surface.

This idea is similar to how fat tissue under the skin prevents body heat from being lost to the surrounding air. To investigate this theory in the Earth’s crust, we looked at the figures for global fossil fuel production alongside data for temperature changes on the land and sea surface. Our research suggests that it is possible that temperatures may be rising faster in places where fossil fuels are being extracted from the ground.

was found to be up to 4.5°C warmer.

Groundwater that discharged from a mine water pumping station was also found to be unusually warm, in part due to heating from the Earth’s interior. The researchers concluded that this effect could be expected in former coalfields across Britain.

Could higher rates of warming in these places be caused by the Earth losing its internal “heat shield”? The idea that some regions have a protective layer below the ground, stopping heat from the Earth’s interior rising to the surface, isn’t as strange as it may sound. After all, the ozone layer in Earth’s atmosphere protects against ultraviolet radiation, but it was only discovered in the 19th century. Astounding new findings about the Earth system emerge all the time.

If a similar heat-trapping shield exists in the Earth’s crust, much must be done to reinforce it. Carbon emissions that are captured from industry and energy generation could be stored in the crevices left by extracted fossil fuels, re-insulating the sub-surface and helping to slow the thermal emissions that could be amplifying global warming.

Scientists have said for some time that any hope of halting catastrophic climate change rests on leaving fossil fuels in the ground. Our preliminary findings could give that warning new urgency. Underground reserves of oil have existed for far longer than humans have exploited them – we know worryingly little about the consequences of emptying them.

Rising heat
Between 2007 and 2017, 45.5 billion tonnes of oil and 36.3 billion cubic metres of natural gas were removed from the Earth’s crust. When oil and gas is extracted, the voids fill with water, which is a less effective insulator. This means more heat from the Earth’s interior can be conducted to the surface, causing the land and the ocean to warm.
 

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could you define exactly what global warming is to you.

Is it you believe there's no such thing ? Im just a tad bit confused,

Do you see global warming as a natural cycle

Do you dismiss mankind is not adding to that natural cycle, just so I know where I'm reasoning with your views
It is obvious that we have contributed greenhouse gases into the environment. It is also obvious that many of the predictions, especially from Al Gore, AOC, Greta, have fallen flat on their face. It is also obvious that John Kerry and Dicaprio are not practicing what they preach, the definition of hypocrites.

I feel that global warming is the wrong name and that Climate Change is better because what we are seeing is not necessarily a warmer globe but instead a more energetic weather system. Floods are bigger, hurricanes are bigger, droughts are bigger, etc.

What I think we have definitely learned from the last forty years is that there are more factors involved in climate and weather than simply how much carbon is in the atmosphere. No one has been able to model this accurately yet. What I would expect is if you had an accurate model you could input the accurate numbers from year to year and the model would accurately predict the future. Until we have that real scientists will be circumspect about this whereas bar maids and angry teenage girls will be the most vocal.

However, it is very clear that the entire world is signing onto this agenda that has no basis in scientific fact (by that I mean the urgency to make drastic changes to how every person on the globe lives over the next six years). This will be a windfall to some companies which certainly explains why a shill like AOC or John Kerry or Biden is on board. But it doesn't explain 150 countries signing on. So I believe there is something that truly is coming in six years that has them terrified.

I think the goal of Agenda 2030 is that human society survives wormwood (apophis) hitting the earth, though they know that billions of people will not survive.
 

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Who is Just Stop Oil, who funds its activities, and what is it protesting abou

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But what exactly is Just Stop Oil and what is it campaigning for?
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What is Just Stop Oil and who is behind it?
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On its official website, Just Stop Oil describes itself as a "coalition of groups".
It's unknown how many members the organisation has, but it claims to be "a rapidly growing movement" which will mobilise more than 3,000 people "from all walks of life to oppose government plans to allow 40 new oil, gas and coal projects by 2025".
What is the group campaigning for?
Just Stop Oil has demanded that the UK government "halt all new licenses and consents for the exploration, development and production of fossil fuels in the UK".
It says it is applying pressure to Downing Street because of what it calls the "climate crisis".
 

ZNP

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This is what I was talking about earlier
https://theconversation.com/fossil-...te-change-by-heating-earth-from-within-121331


When oil and gas is extracted, the voids fill with water, which is a less effective insulator. This means more heat from the Earth's interior can be conducted to the surface, causing the land and the ocean to warm.19 Aug 2019
That is an assumption that may not be true. We have gone back to wells that were dry twenty years ago and they have recharged with oil and gas.
 

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Then there's this

Rising heat
Between 2007 and 2017, 45.5 billion tonnes of oil and 36.3 billion cubic metres of natural gas were removed from the Earth’s crust. When oil and gas is extracted, the voids fill with water, which is a less effective insulator. This means more heat from the Earth’s interior can be conducted to the surface, causing the land and the ocean to warm.
That works out to about 10 grams of oil per square foot of surface area for the earth. That might work out to a film 1mm thick. So even if you replace a good insulator that is 1mm thick with one that is less good, the earth's crust is 9-12 miles thick. That means the insulation of the Earth's crust, even if all that you have said is true is 99.999999999999995% of what it was.
 

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some good points here for sure with fracking that also have issues, such as causing earth quakes.

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Look at the picture you see drilling straight into oil reservoirs, a different method to fracking.

The reservoirs full up with water after taking the oil out.

Back in 2009, two scientists in Sweden argued that thermal emissions were more important than CO₂ for raising global temperatures. A few years later, two Chinese scientists suggested that heat from the earth’s interior could be contributing to rising temperatures. They argued that fossil fuels such as coal, oil and gas in layers and crevices beneath the Earth’s surface act as an insulating blanket, trapping heat from the planet’s interior. As these deposits have been emptied by fossil fuel extraction, more of that heat could be reaching the surface.

This idea is similar to how fat tissue under the skin prevents body heat from being lost to the surrounding air. To investigate this theory in the Earth’s crust, we looked at the figures for global fossil fuel production alongside data for temperature changes on the land and sea surface. Our research suggests that it is possible that temperatures may be rising faster in places where fossil fuels are being extracted from the ground.

was found to be up to 4.5°C warmer.

Groundwater that discharged from a mine water pumping station was also found to be unusually warm, in part due to heating from the Earth’s interior. The researchers concluded that this effect could be expected in former coalfields across Britain.

Could higher rates of warming in these places be caused by the Earth losing its internal “heat shield”? The idea that some regions have a protective layer below the ground, stopping heat from the Earth’s interior rising to the surface, isn’t as strange as it may sound. After all, the ozone layer in Earth’s atmosphere protects against ultraviolet radiation, but it was only discovered in the 19th century. Astounding new findings about the Earth system emerge all the time.

If a similar heat-trapping shield exists in the Earth’s crust, much must be done to reinforce it. Carbon emissions that are captured from industry and energy generation could be stored in the crevices left by extracted fossil fuels, re-insulating the sub-surface and helping to slow the thermal emissions that could be amplifying global warming.

Scientists have said for some time that any hope of halting catastrophic climate change rests on leaving fossil fuels in the ground. Our preliminary findings could give that warning new urgency. Underground reserves of oil have existed for far longer than humans have exploited them – we know worryingly little about the consequences of emptying them.

Rising heat
Between 2007 and 2017, 45.5 billion tonnes of oil and 36.3 billion cubic metres of natural gas were removed from the Earth’s crust. When oil and gas is extracted, the voids fill with water, which is a less effective insulator. This means more heat from the Earth’s interior can be conducted to the surface, causing the land and the ocean to warm.

Hmm how to say this over the internet?,lol

Similar to a math problem where A+Y= ect. represent certain variables it depends whats between the center of the earth and where your speaking of. Gravity,the mass of rock,soil ect.,,,magma chambers,altitude,location, water ect. You would need to look at each geographical location as unique because each location would be different because gravity is different in different locations ect.... here's an interesting article from the USGS explaining it. https://www.usgs.gov/observatories/yvo/news/gravity-changing-yellowstone
 

Fundaamental

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That is an assumption that may not be true. We have gone back to wells that were dry twenty years ago and they have recharged with oil and gas.
only some of the really deep oil wells have partly replenished over 20 years and it's not safe to use

Alot remain dry and fill up with water,

Coal is formed over thousands and thousands of years and is still the most popular fuel for India and China the most populated countries of close to 3 billion people in the world, coal is also known to be a heat shield for the earth that absorbs heat