Why Do The Lost Choose That State?

[Musicmaster]

My lovely wife has asked me a number of times through the months how the lost could still be angry and hateful toward God after passing from this life to be judged. You see, I had mentioned to her a comment I had heard from another minister that many will still be cast away while shaking their fists at God and His Throne. She found that so hard to believe. She even asked why Satan doesn't just simply give up, knowing he's going to be defeated in the end.

Over a period of months, I had been thinking about all this, and seeking the Spirit of the Lord for His Ways and His Thoughts on all this, and so I wanted to share with you the things that have come to me from the scriptures and whatever other means the Lord does His wondrous ways of revealing His truths to us.

For starters, Satan, like all other angels, are subject to their natures. Satan, however, is special, in that he continues his drive to destroy the works of God because...well, that's just his nature. He's a creature bound to the depths of his own evil. Without any other avenues for escape or redemption, he's without hope, and so it's just who he is to continue doing his mischief among the nations, doing all that the Lord knew he would do, and always under the watchful Eyes of the Lord, and the Power the Lord exercises over all.

Now, the lost; what can we say about them? Well, the only way to express the seemingly inexpressible is to observe some things about their state of being in this life and after their death in sin:

Romans 5:20-21
20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,
21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The power of the Law is the curse of death, and in that death sin reigns. In other words, the unbeliever chooses, up to the point of death to this world, to keep their sin upon themselves, and so it is their sin that keeps their names from the Lamb's Book of Life, and that they must try to atone for in the fiery lake. When they stand before the Great White Throne, they still have their sin nature within and upon them, just as they were here on earth, although they will be imbued with knowing as they are known. Because they were never born again from above, they retain their sinful nature, and are governed by that nature throughout eternity since they, in this life, never chose to call upon the name of the Lord for salvation and new birth...thus laying the penalty of their sin upon He who alone atoned for sin.

So, if we consider that they are unregenerate in their lost state, still filled with all the sin they had in this life as they look upon their Creator, they will know and fully understand the ramifications of their chosen state. Those out there who teach that all in Hell will one day be released to dwell in Heaven...they will have to explain how mortal man, by way of any measure of suffering, could possibly match the Power of the Blood of Christ Jesus, who alone is Divine rather than His creations.

As we gain more understanding of the things pertaining to the Lord and the realities He created, we draw even closer to Him in our hearts and minds through His revelations of Himself. The seemingly unjust things about His judgments begin to fade away one after another as we begin to see more clearly the reality of sin and its effects, both here in this life and the one to come. Sin is the power that separates the sheep from the goats in this life. The only life everlasting with the Lord offered to anyone is through the Blood of the Father's only begotten Son. It's a simple choice, really. The Lord doesn't force anyone into Heaven to be with Him who don't want to be there. The vast majority choose to keep their sins and sin nature.

My wife asked about the deceptions of sin. I could see where that was leading, and so I pointed out once again Roman's 1 where it is written that ALL are without excuse. Deception is a state into which one enters only because they choose to ignore the Light of Truth. Again, it's a choice, not a state of being in and of itself, with that choice never having been made by someone else for them. God's Justice demands righteousness, and the lost simply refuse that gift of righteousness, and for reasons at which we can only guess, but in vain.

Thoughts?

MM

 

[seekingthemindofChrist]

Jesus summed it up succinctly when he said:

John 3:19-21

"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."

For those who hate the light, and Jesus is the light of the world, and love darkness, outer darkness will be their eternal punishment. God will ultimately reward us all based upon who/what we love.

 

[Evmur]

My lovely wife has asked me a number of times through the months how the lost could still be angry and hateful toward God after passing from this life to be judged. You see, I had mentioned to her a comment I had heard from another minister that many will still be cast away while shaking their fists at God and His Throne. She found that so hard to believe. She even asked why Satan doesn't just simply give up, knowing he's going to be defeated in the end.

Over a period of months, I had been thinking about all this, and seeking the Spirit of the Lord for His Ways and His Thoughts on all this, and so I wanted to share with you the things that have come to me from the scriptures and whatever other means the Lord does His wondrous ways of revealing His truths to us.

For starters, Satan, like all other angels, are subject to their natures. Satan, however, is special, in that he continues his drive to destroy the works of God because...well, that's just his nature. He's a creature bound to the depths of his own evil. Without any other avenues for escape or redemption, he's without hope, and so it's just who he is to continue doing his mischief among the nations, doing all that the Lord knew he would do, and always under the watchful Eyes of the Lord, and the Power the Lord exercises over all.

Now, the lost; what can we say about them? Well, the only way to express the seemingly inexpressible is to observe some things about their state of being in this life and after their death in sin:

Romans 5:20-21
20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,
21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The power of the Law is the curse of death, and in that death sin reigns. In other words, the unbeliever chooses, up to the point of death to this world, to keep their sin upon themselves, and so it is their sin that keeps their names from the Lamb's Book of Life, and that they must try to atone for in the fiery lake. When they stand before the Great White Throne, they still have their sin nature within and upon them, just as they were here on earth, although they will be imbued with knowing as they are known. Because they were never born again from above, they retain their sinful nature, and are governed by that nature throughout eternity since they, in this life, never chose to call upon the name of the Lord for salvation and new birth...thus laying the penalty of their sin upon He who alone atoned for sin.

So, if we consider that they are unregenerate in their lost state, still filled with all the sin they had in this life as they look upon their Creator, they will know and fully understand the ramifications of their chosen state. Those out there who teach that all in Hell will one day be released to dwell in Heaven...they will have to explain how mortal man, by way of any measure of suffering, could possibly match the Power of the Blood of Christ Jesus, who alone is Divine rather than His creations.

As we gain more understanding of the things pertaining to the Lord and the realities He created, we draw even closer to Him in our hearts and minds through His revelations of Himself. The seemingly unjust things about His judgments begin to fade away one after another as we begin to see more clearly the reality of sin and its effects, both here in this life and the one to come. Sin is the power that separates the sheep from the goats in this life. The only life everlasting with the Lord offered to anyone is through the Blood of the Father's only begotten Son. It's a simple choice, really. The Lord doesn't force anyone into Heaven to be with Him who don't want to be there. The vast majority choose to keep their sins and sin nature.

My wife asked about the deceptions of sin. I could see where that was leading, and so I pointed out once again Roman's 1 where it is written that ALL are without excuse. Deception is a state into which one enters only because they choose to ignore the Light of Truth. Again, it's a choice, not a state of being in and of itself, with that choice never having been made by someone else for them. God's Justice demands righteousness, and the lost simply refuse that gift of righteousness, and for reasons at which we can only guess, but in vain.

Thoughts?

MM

The answer is wheat is wheat tares are tares
sheep are sheep goats are goats
doves are doves vipers are vipers

 

[Cameron143]

The answer is wheat is wheat tares are tares
sheep are sheep goats are goats
doves are doves vipers are vipers

What are platypuses?

 

[seekingthemindofChrist]

What are platypuses?

 

[Aaron56]

My lovely wife has asked me a number of times through the months how the lost could still be angry and hateful toward God after passing from this life to be judged. You see, I had mentioned to her a comment I had heard from another minister that many will still be cast away while shaking their fists at God and His Throne. She found that so hard to believe. She even asked why Satan doesn't just simply give up, knowing he's going to be defeated in the end.

Over a period of months, I had been thinking about all this, and seeking the Spirit of the Lord for His Ways and His Thoughts on all this, and so I wanted to share with you the things that have come to me from the scriptures and whatever other means the Lord does His wondrous ways of revealing His truths to us.

For starters, Satan, like all other angels, are subject to their natures. Satan, however, is special, in that he continues his drive to destroy the works of God because...well, that's just his nature. He's a creature bound to the depths of his own evil. Without any other avenues for escape or redemption, he's without hope, and so it's just who he is to continue doing his mischief among the nations, doing all that the Lord knew he would do, and always under the watchful Eyes of the Lord, and the Power the Lord exercises over all.

Now, the lost; what can we say about them? Well, the only way to express the seemingly inexpressible is to observe some things about their state of being in this life and after their death in sin:

Romans 5:20-21
20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,
21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The power of the Law is the curse of death, and in that death sin reigns. In other words, the unbeliever chooses, up to the point of death to this world, to keep their sin upon themselves, and so it is their sin that keeps their names from the Lamb's Book of Life, and that they must try to atone for in the fiery lake. When they stand before the Great White Throne, they still have their sin nature within and upon them, just as they were here on earth, although they will be imbued with knowing as they are known. Because they were never born again from above, they retain their sinful nature, and are governed by that nature throughout eternity since they, in this life, never chose to call upon the name of the Lord for salvation and new birth...thus laying the penalty of their sin upon He who alone atoned for sin.

So, if we consider that they are unregenerate in their lost state, still filled with all the sin they had in this life as they look upon their Creator, they will know and fully understand the ramifications of their chosen state. Those out there who teach that all in Hell will one day be released to dwell in Heaven...they will have to explain how mortal man, by way of any measure of suffering, could possibly match the Power of the Blood of Christ Jesus, who alone is Divine rather than His creations.

As we gain more understanding of the things pertaining to the Lord and the realities He created, we draw even closer to Him in our hearts and minds through His revelations of Himself. The seemingly unjust things about His judgments begin to fade away one after another as we begin to see more clearly the reality of sin and its effects, both here in this life and the one to come. Sin is the power that separates the sheep from the goats in this life. The only life everlasting with the Lord offered to anyone is through the Blood of the Father's only begotten Son. It's a simple choice, really. The Lord doesn't force anyone into Heaven to be with Him who don't want to be there. The vast majority choose to keep their sins and sin nature.

My wife asked about the deceptions of sin. I could see where that was leading, and so I pointed out once again Roman's 1 where it is written that ALL are without excuse. Deception is a state into which one enters only because they choose to ignore the Light of Truth. Again, it's a choice, not a state of being in and of itself, with that choice never having been made by someone else for them. God's Justice demands righteousness, and the lost simply refuse that gift of righteousness, and for reasons at which we can only guess, but in vain.

Thoughts?

MM

You are a very thoughtful person.

 

[tourist]

What are platypuses?

I am surmising kangaroos.

 

[Musicmaster]

Jesus summed it up succinctly when he said:

John 3:19-21

"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."

For those who hate the light, and Jesus is the light of the world, and love darkness, outer darkness will be their eternal punishment. God will ultimately reward us all based upon who/what we love.

Excellent point. It's been my understanding that the lost, even when they die, will still have their sin nature upon them, and will therefore be no different after death...except that they will know as they are known, just like the rich man in the story Jesus told in relation to Abraham and Lazerus.

Thanks for the post.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

You are a very thoughtful person.

Thank you for the compliment, and it is to the Lord I direct the glory for His wondrous gifts of knowledge, wisdom, His Thoughts and His Ways. This life would be most miserable without Him and all that He imparts to His people. I so look forward to the day when He comes for us.

MM

 

[NightTwister]

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”
1 Cor 1:18-19 ESV

 

[Webers.Home]

.
I once heard a minister tell the story of a fictional busload of Hell's inmates
who were given a 30 day furlough for some R&R in Heaven. They all came
back the first night because God's world was such a bore.

There were no wild parties, no clothing-optional beaches, no bars, no night
clubs, no porn, no escort services, no pigging-out at buffets, no fights, no
profanity, no ribaldry, no free sex, no vulgar late-night comedy, no exotic
dancers, no X-rated movies, no junk food, no tobacco, no marijuana, no
meth, no ecstasy, no LSD, no hunting for sport, no fishing for sport, and no
casino gambling.

And the hellsters didn't particularly care for the isolation. None of the good
folk in Heaven wanted to associate with them: they were ostracized, they
were segregated, and they were quarantined.

Heaven is a pleasant utopia. It's etiquette, its dress code, and its rules of
conduct and civility; were way too constraining for the hellsters. Especially
suffocating is the mandatory self control everyone has to exercise in their
choice of words to avoid hurting people's feelings.

Take for example Wall Street barracudas. Do you really think they'd be
happy in Heaven? Or sweat shop operators? Or influence peddlers? Or
lobbyists? Or J-walking pedestrians? Or LGBTQ? Or greedy businessmen like
Phil Knight, Bill Gates, and/or Jeff Bezos? Or unscrupulous social networking
moguls like Mark Zuckerberg? Or cheap politicians? Or Communists? Or
bookies? Or hoarders? Or black marketeers? Or militant activists? Or Critical
Race theorists? Or 1619 Project proponents? No. No. No. You see many of
the interests that concern Hell's people are unacceptable in Heaven; and in
point of fact, none of Heaven's people even want to hear about that stuff.
For them that scene is over and they don't want it back.

You know what else is lacking in Heaven? Religious tolerance. There is only
one religion up there. What's that tell you? Well; it tells me that the
establishment clause of the US Constitution's first amendment doesn't fly in
Heaven. The theocratic monarchy in Heaven insists upon dictating
everyone's religious preference.

In other words: Heaven's utopian society, coupled with its 24/7 Big Brother
oversight, universal surveillance, and strict morality, was just simply too
much to ask in exchange for some time off. To the hellsters, Heaven held
little more appeal for a get-away than one of North Korea's prison camps.
_

 

[Nehemiah6]

My lovely wife has asked me a number of times through the months how the lost could still be angry and hateful toward God after passing from this life to be judged.

I do not see any indication in Scripture that the lost are necessarily angry and hateful toward God as they pass from this life. Those attitudes are shown in Revelation by those who are still alive on earth, and being judged with severe judgments.

At the same time, since God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance, it would mean that every lost person has several opportunities along the way to be saved. And it is only between God and that person. There have even been credible reports that Christ has personally appeared to Muslims in order to save them. But from God's perspective, the very existence of creation means that they are all "without excuse". No human being would draw that conclusion, but it is right there in Romans 1:20. So ultimately people either choose darkness or light as noted above.

 

[Evmur]

What are platypuses?

it's the pussyfooters we need to watch out for

 

[Seeker47]

"In other words: Heaven's utopian society, coupled with its 24/7 Big Brother
oversight, universal surveillance, and strict morality, was just simply too
much to ask in exchange for some time off."

Do you really believe this is what "Hell" is?

I guess I must be going to hell then, this does not excite me in the least.

 

[Magenta]

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing,
but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”
1 Cor 1:18-19 ESV

1 Corinthians 1:18-19

 

[Musicmaster]

.
I once heard a minister tell the story of a fictional busload of Hell's inmates
who were given a 30 day furlough for some R&R in Heaven. They all came
back the first night because God's world was such a bore.

There were no wild parties, no clothing-optional beaches, no bars, no night
clubs, no porn, no escort services, no pigging-out at buffets, no fights, no
profanity, no ribaldry, no free sex, no vulgar late-night comedy, no exotic
dancers, no X-rated movies, no junk food, no tobacco, no marijuana, no
meth, no ecstasy, no LSD, no hunting for sport, no fishing for sport, and no
casino gambling.

And the hellsters didn't particularly care for the isolation. None of the good
folk in Heaven wanted to associate with them: they were ostracized, they
were segregated, and they were quarantined.

Heaven is a pleasant utopia. It's etiquette, its dress code, and its rules of
conduct and civility; were way too constraining for the hellsters. Especially
suffocating is the mandatory self control everyone has to exercise in their
choice of words to avoid hurting people's feelings.

Take for example Wall Street barracudas. Do you really think they'd be
happy in Heaven? Or sweat shop operators? Or influence peddlers? Or
lobbyists? Or J-walking pedestrians? Or LGBTQ? Or greedy businessmen like
Phil Knight, Bill Gates, and/or Jeff Bezos? Or unscrupulous social networking
moguls like Mark Zuckerberg? Or cheap politicians? Or Communists? Or
bookies? Or hoarders? Or black marketeers? Or militant activists? Or Critical
Race theorists? Or 1619 Project proponents? No. No. No. You see many of
the interests that concern Hell's people are unacceptable in Heaven; and in
point of fact, none of Heaven's people even want to hear about that stuff.
For them that scene is over and they don't want it back.

You know what else is lacking in Heaven? Religious tolerance. There is only
one religion up there. What's that tell you? Well; it tells me that the
establishment clause of the US Constitution's first amendment doesn't fly in
Heaven. The theocratic monarchy in Heaven insists upon dictating
everyone's religious preference.

In other words: Heaven's utopian society, coupled with its 24/7 Big Brother
oversight, universal surveillance, and strict morality, was just simply too
much to ask in exchange for some time off. To the hellsters, Heaven held
little more appeal for a get-away than one of North Korea's prison camps.
_

I am so thankful for this:

1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him."

I've read ditties like the post quoted here, but it's such a blessing to know that the magnificence of Heaven is so far beyond any man's ability to even come close to the reality. Our minds cannot even conceive of any portion of it. That is indeed praiseworthy.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

I do not see any indication in Scripture that the lost are necessarily angry and hateful toward God as they pass from this life. Those attitudes are shown in Revelation by those who are still alive on earth, and being judged with severe judgments.

At the same time, since God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance, it would mean that every lost person has several opportunities along the way to be saved. And it is only between God and that person. There have even been credible reports that Christ has personally appeared to Muslims in order to save them. But from God's perspective, the very existence of creation means that they are all "without excuse". No human being would draw that conclusion, but it is right there in Romans 1:20. So ultimately people either choose darkness or light as noted above.

We do see that the lost are argumentative toward Christ:

Matthew 7:22-23
22 "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Given, then, that even those who thought themselves righteous will argue and try to reason their way into the Kingdom, will still be cast out. Where it's true that the venom of the average lost person is not said to be displayed in a manner of shaking their fist at Christ on His Throne, it does seem reasonable to say that their nature will not at all change after having passed from this life of hatred toward God, and those who shake their fists of hatred toward Him in this life because of their being in league with the biggest problem most people have with God, it's reasonable that they will do the same after having bowed their knee and confessed what they will not be able to deny.

In all my decades of encounters with unbelievers, their biggest problem with God is His Sovereignty. Most people who deny Christ point to the age old "problem of harm," as if that is at all a legitimate complaint...which it is not. They want a god that is subject to them; one that acts and reacts in the manner that they would have their god function.

What they fail to realize that were there a god out there who would be subject to them and their whims, that creature would be a lower life form than a cockroach. By sheer force of their minds, they can't force a cockroach to leap into a flame against its own nature, and yet they want a deity who is subject to them... The sheer foolishness of that thinking is worse than outright brainlessness, it's a level of narcissism below the measurable capabilities of even the APA. They exist at such a low level in their thinking that what so easily escapes them is the realization of the slavery they seem to espouse in their rationalizations. A world where the Lord prevents all evil is a world of utter enslavement that is beyond their level of experience.

Public schools have done their job in dumbing down the masses. Many people out there are bereft of any measurable amount of even the most basic critical thinking skills. They perpetrate every form of logical fallacy in every list of fallacies I have ever seen, all in the name of winning the debate...even at the expense of their own credibility.

The best schooling I have ever received at the beginnings of my journey toward understanding is that which was done when the Lord took me out to the wood shed.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

"In other words: Heaven's utopian society, coupled with its 24/7 Big Brother
oversight, universal surveillance, and strict morality, was just simply too
much to ask in exchange for some time off."

Do you really believe this is what "Hell" is?

I guess I must be going to hell then, this does not excite me in the least.

Fortunately, blessedly, no man who has ever attempted the folly of trying to write down descriptions of Heaven has ever come close to hitting the mark of clarity that could ever be construed as being even within proximity to a country mile (so to speak). What's REALLY mundane is listening and/or reading another's attempts at describing life in a place that is entirely outside their personal experience.

If our eternal futures were tied to what some think they know about the experience of Heaven, then we would indeed be in serious trouble. Given God's infinite Sovereignty above it all, I'm left with no reason to fear what some out there think they know about what they have never seen...just like those clowns who point at stars they THINK had just formed in clouds of space dust...never minding that cosmologists have not even ONE workable model that describes, with any rational basis, describing how particles of dust can attract enough dust to form a star. They've never seen it, and never will, because it's purely wishful thinking. They can't even come up with a mathematical model that describes such phenomenon.

Describing Heaven is just as dubious, and actually worse.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

1 Corinthians 1:18-19

What in the world is that an image of?

MM

 

[studentoftheword]

My lovely wife has asked me a number of times through the months how the lost could still be angry and hateful toward God after passing from this life to be judged.

This statement is a bit confusing ----as you say here

how the lost could still be angry and hateful toward God after passing from this life to be judged

I say ----It sounds like the they have already died here --is that what you are meaning here

and

So if they have already passed how does anyone know if they are still angry and hateful toward God ---

scripture says ----
Every knee will bow before God when they die ----I doubt their anger was showing -----They might have been in AWE and pleading with God for their life -----just my view ----

The Lost ---in my view have a hardened Heart toward God but I know many lost Souls who believe there is a higher power who are not angry or hateful toward God ----they just refuse God's call to open their heart so they can seek Him ------they like their worldly life as it is -----

The Concept of being a True Christian to many is that you have to live a Boring directed no fun life and they want no part of that ----