Mary was not asked for permission ... she was told.the Holy Spirit did not have sex to implant the Seed that bore/bare Jesus.
Mary, just needed to say, YES!
Mary was not asked for permission ... she was told.the Holy Spirit did not have sex to implant the Seed that bore/bare Jesus.
Mary, just needed to say, YES!
False. Mary definitely gave permission. Free will is THE primary mandate that God bequeathed to man.Mary was not asked for permission ... she was told.
Yes.... I'm still sort of stuck on the phrasing of "evening and morning, the sixth day".... we normally would assume that is a 24 hour timeframe... evening and morning...
The difficulty arises in our understanding of time, versus God's approach to it.
It could be that God's evening and morning spanned a thousand years... we just don't know.
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Probably so. Thats what was going on before the flood (and afterwards!).....inappropriate contact between men and angels.you don't then and today have to have sex to plant a seed in a spiritual being sense, they just need from a woman, i give permission, sense, and then next thing they are baring children for them.
Of course. How in the world could anyone fail to understand this.the Holy Spirit did not have sex to implant the Seed that bore/bare Jesus.
Mary, just needed to say, YES!
Genesis chapter 1.... the 6th day of creation of the world...
26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the [ak]sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the [al]sky and over every living thing that [am]moves on the earth.” 29 Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the [an]surface of all the earth, and every tree [ao]which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; 30 and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the [ap]sky and to every thing that [aq]moves on the earth [ar]which has life, I have given every green plant for food”; and it was so. 31 God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
This was all done in one 24 hour day, correct? Evening and morning?
1. I provided biblical evidence for Adam and Eve being the first two individuals God created. Do you disagree with any of the points I gave in post #725?And at the time that statement was made, it was absolutely true. Anyone on earth that might have come before Adam were wiped off the earth in the flood.... so all people living on earth WERE from the lineage of Adam.
If God had created mankind, man and woman, some time (who knows how much time) before he created Adam and placed him specially in the garden, the earth could have been populated with mankind... NOT of the lineage of Adam. When Noah and family, of the lineage of Adam were saved through water, the flood, God's race of people were the only mankind on earth.
I was taught the same way you say it happened. I've believed that all my life. Lately I've been thinking about the timeline discrepancies and thought, this could answer every non-believer's questions about how the creation happened... it could help explain the great men of old... sons of God (Adam's lineage) married into the sons of man (mankind, not of Adam's lineage) . This was not good, and God "cleansed" the earth with the flood, leaving only the lineage of Adam (son of God).
did she submit voluntarily or was forced to go through with it?Mary was not asked for permission ... she was told.
AMEN!!Probably so. Thats what was going on before the flood (and afterwards!).....inappropriate contact between men and angels.
And in ALL HISTORICAL CASES where this was happening, God rendered the most devastating of judgements.
Think Sodom as well. Those wicked men KNEW that the visitors were angelic beings, and desired them ("going after strange flesh") for what amounts to "life extension" purposes.
Similar situation was going on in Judges 19.....with a woman being the object of what? Adenochrome harvesting type of vivisection??? They KNEW what kind of horror took place. Why? Because it had happened in times past and the Israelites remembered it.
IMO.....these rites and practices are happening today. Including contact with fallen angels.
Which means.....judgement is at the very door. I cannot stress that enough.
Agree 100%Of course. How in the world could anyone fail to understand this.
False. Mary definitely gave permission. Free will is THE primary mandate that God bequeathed to man.
The fundamental lie of Satan is that God is evil because this free will does not exist.
Luk 1:38
And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
In fact this lie was likely the reason that 1/3 of the Angels rebelled, as Satan deceived them, the same why he deceived the woman.
BTW.....Adam was NOT DECEIVED, yet ate the fruit anyways. Which is why he is the primordial "type of Christ".
scripture says the foundations will consume the earthDo you believe the foundation of something is not part of it?
I don't recall the Bible saying that. What verse?scripture says the foundations will consume the earth
She was told what was going to happen. Yes, she agreed to be be God's servant after she wasdid she submit voluntarily or was forced to go through with it?
You beat me to it heh .Why not include the whole dialogue?
Luke 1:26-38 (ESV)
26 In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. And the virgin's name was Mary. 28 And he came to her and said, “Greetings, O favored one, the Lord is with you!” 29 But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and tried to discern what sort of greeting this might be. 30 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.”
34 And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?”
35 And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God. 36 And behold, your relative Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son, and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren. 37 For nothing will be impossible with God.” 38 And Mary said, “Behold, I am the servant of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.
In verse 31, it doesn't really seem to that Gabriel was asking for permission...? Seems more like a statement of fact...
"And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus."
I went through this for 10 pages.I don't recall the Bible saying that. What verse?
Mary was not asked permission any way you look at it.did she submit voluntarily or was forced to go through with it?
Mary was not asked permission no matter how hard you try to twist the text to make it say what you want .False. Mary definitely gave permission. Free will is THE primary mandate that God bequeathed to man.
The fundamental lie of Satan is that God is evil because this free will does not exist.
Of course I don't disagree with them, they are scripture.... what I possibly disagree with is our understanding of that scripture...I provided biblical evidence for Adam and Eve being the first two individuals God created. Do you disagree with any of the points I gave in post #725?