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SomeDisciple

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Galatians 6:14
But far be it from me to boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
Stop this. Paul talked about stuff he did with the Lord that was good- he was not boasting.

That's not the way I see myself.
Well; you need to start seeing yourself that way if you are regenerate; because you are calling the work of the Holy Ghost "filthy rags". Can't imagine he likes that much.

But the war between my flesh and the Spirit within. and loving others, has me on my knees.
Something about boldly coming to the throne of grace... idk.
 

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A lot of that issue is translation/interpretation.


Where I have bolded the text is where it all goes off the deep end.

The word "disposition" in english (which has multiple meanings)- the way you are trying to read it... that's not there in the Greek.

The idea that God's angels totally botched his law; or that Moses just botched his law... and God was totally cool with it, and did nothing about it... is nuts.

Moses smacked a rock with a stick at the wrong time... and that was the end for Moses... because in his capacity as mediator- he misrepresented God in that moment. But you're trying to say that he (AND the angels) we really just screwing it up the whole time. That's crazy.
Moses smacked a rock with a stick at the wrong time... and that was the end for Moses... because in his capacity as mediator- he misrepresented God in that moment. But you're trying to say that he (AND the angels) we really just screwing it up the whole time. That's crazy

I e never said Moses or the angel gos appointed over them “ screwed anything up “ nor have I suggested it

what I’m saying is the law was designed by God for this purpose like the scripture says here

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So because of that God placed the angel over then after they worshipped the calf at Sinai and Moses was given the mediation and became the peoples judge because he was who interceded and saved them after they worshipped the calf

aim I. I way saying Moses or the angel screwed up I’m saying the old terrement is for a different purpose d it has a different mediator and ordination given and designed by God …..


The law is made to impute sin and tesch sinners that it’s death , the gospel is made to remit sin and bring sinners to repentance and salvation

Gods plan all of it but everything he’s done has a purpose in his plan the angel was not supposed to forgive sin because the law os meant to hold the world guilty of sin

moses was a good holy man before he was called he also killed a guy and after he was called he was held guilty of his one transgression and didn’t get to enter the land he had to die on the Mount gazing at it far away

i think that maybe you have t read the same things I have is why you don’t agree but it’s hard to get people to read the scripture they just want to argue it seems nd explain things they haven’t actually read
 

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what I’m saying is the law was designed by God for this purpose like the scripture says here
Well, first you said it's "not God's actual word"... did he design a law that was not his actual word?
 

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What is it that a Christian man says to himself, when another man's wife comes on to him..? Because the flesh will still find them attractive still, and suggest that you fulfill this woman's desire- because you'd enjoy it in the flesh, too.

What is it that you say to yourself?

I shall not commit adultery.


Because that's the commandment written on your heart- it looks the same spelled out on the computer; as if it's written on a tablet... because it's the same law. You're not UNDER it, because it's a part of you. It IS you... it's what you see when you're looking in the mirror, until you forget what manner of a man you were.
 

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Psalm 19:7-11, “The Torah of יהוה is perfect, bringing back the being; The witness of יהוה is trustworthy, making wise the simple; The orders of יהוה are straight, rejoicing the heart; The command of יהוה is clear, enlightening the eyes; The fear of יהוה is clean, standing forever; The right-rulings of יהוה are true, They are righteous altogether, More desirable than gold, Than much fine gold; And sweeter than honey and the honeycomb. Also, Your servant is warned by them, In guarding them there is great reward.”

the word Law in Hebrew is Torah, it means Instructions, not bad thing. Sin is bad thing.
 

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when I say edit, you cut parts of my post out and ignore what I said then continue to claim im wrong.

That is a big fat lie ---I didn't quote one line from your post ---I wrote my own post ---all I wrote came from me ---there is not one line of your post in what I posted ---PERIOD---you need to stop lying and offer an apology for accusing me of editing your words -----which I did not ------

Again this is my post ----

I think you need to understand that the Law of Moses was directed at the Jewish nation only ----the Gentiles were never under the law -----so if your born a Jew ---and if you have not received Jesus as your Lord and Saviour they are still under the 613 laws that God put in place for them --which they cannot keep --so they remain -under the Ministry of Death --

There is no Faith needed in Keeping the 10 Commandments -----so it matters not if you try and keep them your not in the Right faith ----and you cannot keep them because if you even think in your mind about murder or adultery or lying you have just broke all 613 laws ----Jesus says if you think about lying with a married women then you have committed the sin ------

The Gentiles were Grafted into the Salvation program to try to knock sense into the Jewish nation ----they are not obligated to keep the Mosaic Laws ----as they were never meant for them ------the Gentiles come under the 3 New Laws -----so if any Jew has received Jesus in their heart ------then these 3 laws apply to them -----

The Love of Love -----is written on the heart ---love God with all your heart --soul ---mind and strength

The law of Faith ----No one can please God with His Faith -----

Romans 3:27
Boasting Excluded
27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law?[a] By one of works? No, on the contrary, by a law[b] of faith

The Law of Liberty ----

James 1:25

Amplified Bible

25 But he who looks carefully into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and faithfully abides by it, not having become a [careless] listener who forgets but [a]an active doer [who obeys], he will be blessed and favored by God in what he does [in his life of obedience]

I say
God gave the 10 Commandments and they are perfect ---but even when we are born Again we still reside in the Flesh which is still weak ----We do have a resource to call on when we feel that weakness to fall into sin which is Grace but how many people use that resource in their weakness is the Question ----Satan is still on the loose and we born again Christians are still bombarded with Satan's attacks ---and anyone who just thinks they can keep the 10 Commandments because they are written on our hearts are deceiving themselves -----

Many of God's Chosen will Parrish in Hell because they have rejected Jesus not because they tried to keep the God's Laws ----which they can't keep anyway -----but God has a plan to save the 12 tribes of Israel in the last days so many Jews will be saved in the end ------

Also your taking one line of Scripture and trying to make it fit what you believe and you need to know the context from which your piece of scripture is taken ----the Old Testament was for the Jewish nation only ----and that has to be kept in mind ------all people were included only after Jesus died and the Holy Spirit was introduced ----

Different laws applied under the New Covenant ----

The law of Love will make you want to obey all God commands but Satan has other ideas and is very crafty to get a Carnal Christian to fall in their attempt to keep what God commands ---and Jesus knows how hard it is for us to stay on the straight road ------Maturing in your faith walk with Christ is the way to keep from falling into sin ----
 

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That is a big fat lie ---I didn't quote one line from your post ---I wrote my own post ---all I wrote came from me ---there is not one line of your post in what I posted ---PERIOD---you need to stop lying and offer an apology for accusing me of editing your words -----which I did not ------
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ABOVE. Here is you cutting out the majority of my post and ignoring what you cut out, thats called editing and ignoring. Here is the complete post.

the first line was EDITED
Incorrect in that is for "Jewish nation only" Correct that one needs to go through Yahshua. .

you cut out Correct that one needs to go through Yahshua. . .. along with the rest..

Incorrect in that is for "Jewish nation only" Correct that one needs to go through Yahshua. .

I can easily disprove the only for Jewish people, but most people will not accept it.

Can you address these Scriptures?

Numbers 15:15-16, "One law is for you of the assembly and for the stranger who sojourns with you – a law forever throughout your generations. As you are, so is the stranger before יהוה. One Torah and one right-ruling is for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you.’ ”

Exodus 12:48-49, "“And when a stranger sojourns with you and shall perform the Pĕsaḥ to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and perform it, and he shall be as a native of the land. But let no uncircumcised eat of it. “There is one Torah for the native-born and for the stranger who sojourns among you.”

Hebrews 4:14-15, "Seeing then that we have a great High Priest Who has ascended into the heavens: Yahshua the Son of יהוה, let us hold fast our profession. For we do not have a High Priest Who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all ways tempted as we are, yet was without sin."

Hebrews 9:11-12, "But the Messiah came near as a High Priest over the righteous things to come, with the great and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation; Nor through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once, for all, having obtained eternal redemption."

Any coming to Yah, that commands are for them to follow.

Revelation 14:12-13, "Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of Elohim and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on.’ ” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “in order that they rest from their labours, and their works follow with them.”
That is a big fat lie ---I didn't quote one line from your post ---I wrote my own post ---all I wrote came from me ---there is not one line of your post in what I posted ---PERIOD---you need to stop lying and offer an apology for accusing me of editing your words -----which I did not ------

Again this is my post ----

I think you need to understand that the Law of Moses was directed at the Jewish nation only ----the Gentiles were never under the law -----so if your born a Jew ---and if you have not received Jesus as your Lord and Saviour they are still under the 613 laws that God put in place for them --which they cannot keep --so they remain -under the Ministry of Death --

There is no Faith needed in Keeping the 10 Commandments -----so it matters not if you try and keep them your not in the Right faith ----and you cannot keep them because if you even think in your mind about murder or adultery or lying you have just broke all 613 laws ----Jesus says if you think about lying with a married women then you have committed the sin ------

The Gentiles were Grafted into the Salvation program to try to knock sense into the Jewish nation ----they are not obligated to keep the Mosaic Laws ----as they were never meant for them ------the Gentiles come under the 3 New Laws -----so if any Jew has received Jesus in their heart ------then these 3 laws apply to them -----

The Love of Love -----is written on the heart ---love God with all your heart --soul ---mind and strength

The law of Faith ----No one can please God with His Faith -----

Romans 3:27
Boasting Excluded
27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law?[a] By one of works? No, on the contrary, by a law[b] of faith

The Law of Liberty ----

James 1:25

Amplified Bible

25 But he who looks carefully into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and faithfully abides by it, not having become a [careless] listener who forgets but [a]an active doer [who obeys], he will be blessed and favored by God in what he does [in his life of obedience]

I say
God gave the 10 Commandments and they are perfect ---but even when we are born Again we still reside in the Flesh which is still weak ----We do have a resource to call on when we feel that weakness to fall into sin which is Grace but how many people use that resource in their weakness is the Question ----Satan is still on the loose and we born again Christians are still bombarded with Satan's attacks ---and anyone who just thinks they can keep the 10 Commandments because they are written on our hearts are deceiving themselves -----

Many of God's Chosen will Parrish in Hell because they have rejected Jesus not because they tried to keep the God's Laws ----which they can't keep anyway -----but God has a plan to save the 12 tribes of Israel in the last days so many Jews will be saved in the end ------

Also your taking one line of Scripture and trying to make it fit what you believe and you need to know the context from which your piece of scripture is taken ----the Old Testament was for the Jewish nation only ----and that has to be kept in mind ------all people were included only after Jesus died and the Holy Spirit was introduced ----

Different laws applied under the New Covenant ----

The law of Love will make you want to obey all God commands but Satan has other ideas and is very crafty to get a Carnal Christian to fall in their attempt to keep what God commands ---and Jesus knows how hard it is for us to stay on the straight road ------Maturing in your faith walk with Christ is the way to keep from falling into sin ----
Ill answer the rest in a minute
 

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That is a big fat lie ---I didn't quote one line from your post ---I wrote my own post ---all I wrote came from me ---there is not one line of your post in what I posted ---PERIOD---you need to stop lying and offer an apology for accusing me of editing your words -----which I did not ------

Again this is my post ----

I think you need to understand that the Law of Moses was directed at the Jewish nation only ----the Gentiles were never under the law -----so if your born a Jew ---and if you have not received Jesus as your Lord and Saviour they are still under the 613 laws that God put in place for them --which they cannot keep --so they remain -under the Ministry of Death --
Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”

Exodus 12:47-4 show clearly Gentiles could partake of the Passover and were then to follow the EXACT same Law as a native born Hebrew.

Sin is death not the Law

1 John 3:4, "Everyone doing sin also does lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

Psalm 19:7-11, “The Torah of יהוה is perfect, bringing back the being; The witness of יהוה is trustworthy, making wise the simple; The orders of יהוה are straight, rejoicing the heart; The command of יהוה is clear, enlightening the eyes; The fear of יהוה is clean, standing forever; The right-rulings of יהוה are true, They are righteous altogether, More desirable than gold, Than much fine gold; And sweeter than honey and the honeycomb. Also, Your servant is warned by them, In guarding them there is great reward.”

Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”

John 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

LITERALLY LIFE

John 5:28-30, “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have done* righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced* evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.”

There is no Faith needed in Keeping the 10 Commandments -----so it matters not if you try and keep them your not in the Right faith ----and you cannot keep them because if you even think in your mind about murder or adultery or lying you have just broke all 613 laws ----Jesus says if you think about lying with a married women then you have committed the sin ------

The Gentiles were Grafted into the Salvation program to try to knock sense into the Jewish nation ----they are not obligated to keep the Mosaic Laws ----as they were never meant for them ------the Gentiles come under the 3 New Laws -----so if any Jew has received Jesus in their heart ------then these 3 laws apply to them -----

The Love of Love -----is written on the heart ---love God with all your heart --soul ---mind and strength

The law of Faith ----No one can please God with His Faith -----

Romans 3:27
Boasting Excluded
27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law?[a] By one of works? No, on the contrary, by a law[b] of faith

The Law of Liberty ----

James 1:25

Amplified Bible

25 But he who looks carefully into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and faithfully abides by it, not having become a [careless] listener who forgets but [a]an active doer [who obeys], he will be blessed and favored by God in what he does [in his life of obedience]
Real faith obeys

Hebrews 11
8, “By belief, Aḇraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he was about to receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going.
9, By belief, he sojourned in the land of promise as a stranger, dwelling in tents with Yitsḥaq and Ya‛aqoḇ, the heirs with him of the same promise,"
10, "for he was looking for the city having foundations, whose builder and maker is Yah.
17, By belief, Aḇraham, when he was tried, offered up Yitsḥaq, and he who had received the promises offered up his only brought-forth son.”

Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”

Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”

James 2:19-20, “You believe that Yah is one. You do well. The demons also believe – and shudder! But do you wish to know, O empty man, that the belief without the works is dead?”

I say
God gave the 10 Commandments and they are perfect ---but even when we are born Again we still reside in the Flesh which is still weak ----We do have a resource to call on when we feel that weakness to fall into sin which is Grace but how many people use that resource in their weakness is the Question ----Satan is still on the loose and we born again Christians are still bombarded with Satan's attacks ---and anyone who just thinks they can keep the 10 Commandments because they are written on our hearts are deceiving themselves -----

Many of God's Chosen will Parrish in Hell because they have rejected Jesus not because they tried to keep the God's Laws ----which they can't keep anyway -----but God has a plan to save the 12 tribes of Israel in the last days so many Jews will be saved in the end ------

Also your taking one line of Scripture and trying to make it fit what you believe and you need to know the context from which your piece of scripture is taken ----the Old Testament was for the Jewish nation only ----and that has to be kept in mind ------all people were included only after Jesus died and the Holy Spirit was introduced ----

Different laws applied under the New Covenant ----

The law of Love will make you want to obey all God commands but Satan has other ideas and is very crafty to get a Carnal Christian to fall in their attempt to keep what God commands ---and Jesus knows how hard it is for us to stay on the straight road ------Maturing in your faith walk with Christ is the way to keep from falling into sin ----
you seem to believe that a "born again" person is still a servat of sin in some kind of unmanagable depraved spirit, his is not so.

John 8:34-36, “יהושע answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone doing sin is a servant of sin. And the servant does not stay in the house forever – a son stays forever. If, then, the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.”

Luke 8:21, “And He answering, said to them, “My mother and My brothers are those who are hearing the Word of Yah and doing it.”

Matthew 12:50, “For whoever does the desire of My Father who is in the heavens is My brother and sister and mother.”

Mark 3:31-35, " 31 And His brothers and His mother came, and standing outside they sent to Him, calling Him. 32 And a crowd was sitting around Him. And they said to Him, “See, Your mother and Your brothers are outside seeking You.” 33 But He answered them, saying, “Who is My mother, or My brothers?” 34 And looking about on those sitting round Him, He said, “See My mother and My brothers! 35 “For whoever does the desire of Elohim is My brother and My sister and mother.”

John 12:25-26, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone. But if it dies, it bears much fruit. He who loves his life shall lose it, and he who hates his life in this world shall preserve it for everlasting life." Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.”

John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."

Obedience is a right thing, sin is wrong.
 
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Romans 8 HNV version with a few edits.

1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Messiah Yeshua, who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Messiah Yeshua made me free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the law couldn’t do, in that it was weak through the flesh, YAH did, sending His Own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace; 7 because the mind of the flesh is hostile toward YAH, for it is not subject to YAH’s Torah, neither indeed can it be. 8 Those who are in the flesh can’t please YAH.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if it is so that the Spirit of YAH dwells in you. But if any man doesn’t have the Spirit of Messiah, he is not His. 10 If Messiah is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him Who raised up Yeshua from the dead dwells in you, He who raised up Messiah Yeshua from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit Who dwells in you.
12 So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if you live after the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of YAH, these are children of YAH. 15 For you didn’t receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by Whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”
 

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Romans 8 HNV version with a few edits.

1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Messiah Yeshua, who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Messiah Yeshua made me free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the law couldn’t do, in that it was weak through the flesh, YAH did, sending His Own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace; 7 because the mind of the flesh is hostile toward YAH, for it is not subject to YAH’s Torah, neither indeed can it be. 8 Those who are in the flesh can’t please YAH.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if it is so that the Spirit of YAH dwells in you. But if any man doesn’t have the Spirit of Messiah, he is not His. 10 If Messiah is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him Who raised up Yeshua from the dead dwells in you, He who raised up Messiah Yeshua from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit Who dwells in you.
12 So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if you live after the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of YAH, these are children of YAH. 15 For you didn’t receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by Whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”
verse 7 and 8 are really undeniable.

"7 because the mind of the flesh is hostile toward YAH, for it is not subject to YAH’s Torah, neither indeed can it be. 8 Those who are in the flesh can’t please YAH. "

any human willing to submit to YHWH will be changed.

Ezekiyl 36:26-28, "A new heart; mind, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father."

Deuteronomy 10:16, "Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and do not be stiff-necked any longer."

Proverbs 6:23, "For the command is a lamp, And the Torah a light, And reproofs of discipline a way of life."

Mat 7:12, “So then, whatever you desire that others would do to and for you, even so do also to and for them, for this is (the intent/sums up) the Law and the Prophets.”
 

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1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."

Different sins have different penalties, some it is death, others it is not. Yet all have sinned and NEED mercy to be in right standing with YHWH.
That is speaking of physical death, and physical effects or results of sin

The penalty of sin is spiritual death.

There are not bad sins and good sins. Break even the least of the commands and your guilty
 

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That is speaking of physical death, and physical effects or results of sin

The penalty of sin is spiritual death.

There are not bad sins and good sins. Break even the least of the commands and your guilty
When did I say there we good and bad sins?

And you are conflating guilt of sin (breaking any Law is sin and therefore guilt) with some sins having a physical death penalty and others not having a death penalty. John literally said it in the verse I posted and you replied to.

1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."

For example, theft, the penalty for theft of say $100, the penalty is to repay w/intrest, if one can not repay they must work off the debt. Where the penalty for murder is death.

When we are talking spiritually, it depends if the guilty party repents and walks in the path that is right if they recieve mercy or not. That is up the the Supreme Judge in the resurrection. Paul is a good example, he was a habitual murderer, he was literally a bounty hunter for the pharisees, yet it is recorded that he changed his ways. While I am not the judge to say if he will be forgiven or not, an example of forgiveness is the 12 disciples, they all sinned, yet their names are written on the foundation of the Kingdom to come spoken of in the book of Revelation.
 

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just so you know, this is for example only.

This, Thou Shalt not Kill, was put into Effect 4,800+ years ago.
Are we allowed to KILL today, or, is this LAW [Thou Shalt Not Kill], still in effect?
No no lol no Christianity is not a liscense to freely kill……

It’s also nOt a list of written Rules telling sinners withou the holy spirit how to restrain thier sin that they can’t escape from or they will be put to death paul calls the old covenant the ministration of death because the law promises death to every sinner the gospel promises redemption to every sinner who comes to Christ d accepts the truth and finds repentance
 

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No no lol no Christianity is not a liscense to freely kill……

It’s also nOt a list of written Rules telling sinners withou the holy spirit how to restrain thier sin that they can’t escape from or they will be put to death paul calls the old covenant the ministration of death because the law promises death to every sinner the gospel promises redemption to every sinner who comes to Christ d accepts the truth and finds repentance
I agree Mercy is definitly not a free pass to sin, wonderful point, and a reminder best kept near the heart and mind imo.

The Gospel and the rest of the NT has plenty of promises of death to the disobdient and evil. Here are a few;

Revelation 20:12-13, “And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before Yahweh. And the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and Death and Sheol delivered up the dead which were in them. And they were judged, every man, according to their works.”

John 5:28-30, “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have done* righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced* evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.”

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”

Revelation 22:14-15, "“Blessed are those doingb His commands,c so that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of life, and to enter through the gates into the city. Footnotes: bSee Mat 19:17. cLong before the books were compiled to form “The New Testament,” Rev 22:14 was quoted, as it is here given, by Tertullian (CE 208), and by Cyprian (CE 251) – see the well-known Antenicene Fathers. “But outside are the dogs and those who enchant with drugs, and those who whore, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and all who love and do falsehood.

Matt 13:41-43, "The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear."

James 2:14-17, “My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him. And if a brother or sister is naked and in need of daily food, but one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” but you do not give them the bodily needs, what use is it? So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead."

Revelation 20:12-13, “And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before יהוה. And the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and Death and Sheol delivered up the dead which were in them. And they were judged, every man, according to their works.”

Mat 25:31-46, “And when the Son of Aḏam comes in His esteem, and all the set-apart messengers with Him, then He shall sit on the throne of His esteem. And all the nations shall be gathered before Him, and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the Sovereign shall say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the reign prepared for you from the foundation of the world for I was hungry and you gave Me food, I was thirsty and you gave Me drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you visited Me, I was in prison and you came to Me. Then the righteous shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry and we fed You, or thirsty and gave You to drink? And when did we see You a stranger and took You in, or naked and clothed You? And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and we came to You? And the Sovereign shall answer and say to them, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you did it to Me. He shall then also say to those on the left hand, ‘Go away from Me, accursed ones, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his messengers for I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, was naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me. Then they also shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not serve You? Then He shall answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.”

Yah willing those who really love Him will endure.

Matthew 10:22, “And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”

Revelation 21:3-4, "And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father. And YHWH will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
 

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Jesus defined sin in ways that were not written in the law.
you mean sin in the heart?

27 “You have heard that it was said [f]to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to [g]sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to [h]sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.
 

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When did I say there we good and bad sins?

And you are conflating guilt of sin (breaking any Law is sin and therefore guilt) with some sins having a physical death penalty and others not having a death penalty. John literally said it in the verse I posted and you replied to.

1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."

For example, theft, the penalty for theft of say $100, the penalty is to repay w/intrest, if one can not repay they must work off the debt. Where the penalty for murder is death.

When we are talking spiritually, it depends if the guilty party repents and walks in the path that is right if they recieve mercy or not. That is up the the Supreme Judge in the resurrection. Paul is a good example, he was a habitual murderer, he was literally a bounty hunter for the pharisees, yet it is recorded that he changed his ways. While I am not the judge to say if he will be forgiven or not, an example of forgiveness is the 12 disciples, they all sinned, yet their names are written on the foundation of the Kingdom to come spoken of in the book of Revelation.
If a person sins, they are guilty

the penalty is death

They can repent all they want, if the blood of Jesus Christ does not wash that sin, they are condemned forever.

Those under Christ are no longer under law. Those sins can no longer condemn them, But they do have consequences. For a believer deeper consequences. Not only do you suffer the result of the sin, you are chastened by God.

If you commit a sin and that sin ends up in your death. You have suffered the ultimate suffering for that sin.

but that suffering will not save you or keep you saved. You were either already saved to begin with, or you never were saved. at which point, the chance to become a child of God has expired with your death.
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I agree with some of what you said but others stray from the written Word, for me it helps to include actual Scripture when a statement is made, or it could just be opinion devoid of Scriptual truth. I will bold the key points but include more context when beneficial.

If a person sins, they are guilty
Literall jusy said this

(breaking any Law is sin and therefore guilt)
Literally just showed a Scripture that disproves this

1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."
Some sins have a penalty less than death.

They can repent all they want, if the blood of Jesus Christ does not wash that sin, they are condemned forever.
Correct "under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins"

Hebrews 9:12, He entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.”

ESV Hebrews 9:22-28, “Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.”

However, according to Yahshua and His disciples repentance is a Non-Negotiable acts for forgiveness

Acts 2:38-39, “And Kĕpha said to them, “Repent, and let each one of you be immersed in the Name of יהושע Messiah for the forgiveness of sins. And you shall receive the gift of the Set-apart Spirit. “For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are far off, as many as יהוה our Elohim shall call.”

Acts 3:19-20, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you,”

Ezekiyl 18:23, “Have I any pleasure in the death of the wrong?” declares the Master יהוה. “Is it not that he should turn from his ways, and live?”

2 Peter 3:9, “יהוה is not slow in regard to the promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward us, not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.”

1 John 1:6-7, “If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and are not doing the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of יהושע Messiah His Son cleanses us from all sin.”

Luke 13:3-5,3 “I say to you, no! But unless you repent you shall all perish in the same way."4 “Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Shiloaḥ fell and killed them, do you think that they were greater offenders than all other men who dwelt in Yerushalayim?"5 “I say to you, no! But unless you repent you shall all perish in the same way.”

Mat 4:17, "From that time יהושע began to proclaim and to say, “Repent, for the reign of the heavens has drawn near.”

Those under Christ are no longer under law. Those sins can no longer condemn them, But they do have consequences. For a believer deeper consequences. Not only do you suffer the result of the sin, you are chastened by God.
Those are your words, the Scripture says continuing to sin after recieving the blood of Yhshua is "trampled the Son of Elohim underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was set apart as common, and insulted the Spirit of favour" and "How much worse punishment "

Hebrews 10:26-31, “For if we sin purposely after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a slaughter offering for sins, but some fearsome anticipation of judgment, and a fierce fire which is about to consume the opponents. Anyone who has disregarded the Torah of Mosheh dies without compassion on the witness of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment do you think shall he deserve who has trampled the Son of Elohim underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was set apart as common, and insulted the Spirit of favour? For we know Him who has said, “Vengeance is Mine, I shall repay, says יהוה.” And again, “יהוה shall judge His people.” It is fearsome to fall into the hands of the living Elohim.”

If you commit a sin and that sin ends up in your death. You have suffered the ultimate suffering for that sin.
No the flesh is just a test, the real life is spiritual and the ultimate suffering of sin can not be reaped while in the flesh, it would be being found guilty and cast into the lake of fire.

Matt 13:41-43, "The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear."

but that suffering will not save you or keep you saved. You were either already saved to begin with, or you never were saved. at which point, the chance to become a child of God has expired with your death.
I do agree that when the flesh expires the trial is over, but not that any judgement is finalized before actual judgement, YHWH knows the outcome even before each person was born, but people still endure their trial.

Matthew 10:22, “And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”

Matt 24:12-13, “And because of the increase in lawlessness, the love of many shall become cold. But he who shall have endured to the end shall be saved.”

Even Paul says ALL will be judged:

2 Corinthians 5:10, For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil."

Peter says it's worse to follow YHWH and then sin, likens it to "“A dog returns to his own vomit"

2 Peter 2:20-22, “For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of the Master and Saviour יהושע Messiah, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the set-apart commande delivered unto them. For them the proverb has proved true, “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “A washed sow returns to her rolling in the mud.”

and Yahshua says at a later date all will be judged, some pass through unto life while others are found guilty and recieve death.

John 5:28-30, " 28 “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, 29 and shall come forth – those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practised evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. 30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.
 

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The Gospel and the rest of the NT has plenty of promises of death to the disobdient and evil. Here are a few;”


What about is one believes the gospel though ? Where is death if we hear what he’s actually saying ?

can you find even a hint of death here is we were to take what he’s saying as truth ? Before he came he was making a promise

Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭55:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and then he came but notice the promise and the determining factor

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

do you see a promise of death in the gospel ? Death is ever present in the world son of course you will read about it in scripture but the gospel doesn’t administer death to any believer it administers life to then like Jesus is saying

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63, 68-69‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Do you see that there’s life for the one who hears and believes what the lord is saying ? But the judgement and death your seeing in the nt is found when one rejects the lords word it has nothing to do with Moses word but the true judges word that gives life to those who accept it but those who reject it

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. ( not the word Moses spoke the word Jesus spoke of we reject it we’re rejecting life )

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

your seeing a promise of death for believers of the gospel ? It’s actually the only thing that can deliver us from death or “ save “ us from death

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

aim not sure your name nderersndong what I’m saying I’m not saying if one hears the gospel and rejects it they are saved from death in sayong if one hears what Jesus is saying out salvation on the gospel all throughout if we hear and believe the gospel we are promised life by God by his own living word

at here is no death in the gospel but the law promised death like this Jesus is the same always he isn’t like this he doesn’t command death for a sinner like this this is if a young woman who gets married is found out to have had pre marital sex this is the laws sentence and it’s not disputable it’s just the law that imparts death for sin

“But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭22:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

donyou think this is what Jesus teaches people to treat sa sinner who had pre marital sex ? Is that the same judgement as the gospel ?

this disposition

“Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭23:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Is why the law is like this

“And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭15:32, 35-36‬ ‭

But this is jesus

“Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭7:47-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

at he angel over the law who we are told specifically will not pardon sin is not Jesus the law is from tbat disposition it is made for this porpose

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s made not to pardon sin but to hold everyone guilty for every transgression even one sin means you e broken the law and now are sentenced to death th ta why everyone has to accept Jesus dying on thier behalf …

the law cannot do this only the gospel can

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:51‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m not sure why you see a promise of death in the new covenant death came from sin and sin is remitted in Christ through repentance …..

ots a promise by God that one will be saved from death and given everlasting life the only death is when we reject it

again though yes there’s death of we reject the gospel that’s what the new terrement is trying to save us from its salvation from death death came from sin and is imputed by the law ….
 

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The Gospel and the rest of the NT has plenty of promises of death to the disobdient and evil. Here are a few;”


What about is one believes the gospel though ? Where is death if we hear what he’s actually saying ?

can you find even a hint of death here is we were to take what he’s saying as truth ? Before he came he was making a promise

Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭55:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and then he came but notice the promise and the determining factor

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

do you see a promise of death in the gospel ? Death is ever present in the world son of course you will read about it in scripture but the gospel doesn’t administer death to any believer it administers life to then like Jesus is saying

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63, 68-69‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Do you see that there’s life for the one who hears and believes what the lord is saying ? But the judgement and death your seeing in the nt is found when one rejects the lords word it has nothing to do with Moses word but the true judges word that gives life to those who accept it but those who reject it

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. ( not the word Moses spoke the word Jesus spoke of we reject it we’re rejecting life )

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

your seeing a promise of death for believers of the gospel ? It’s actually the only thing that can deliver us from death or “ save “ us from death

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

aim not sure your name nderersndong what I’m saying I’m not saying if one hears the gospel and rejects it they are saved from death in sayong if one hears what Jesus is saying out salvation on the gospel all throughout if we hear and believe the gospel we are promised life by God by his own living word

at here is no death in the gospel but the law promised death like this Jesus is the same always he isn’t like this he doesn’t command death for a sinner like this this is if a young woman who gets married is found out to have had pre marital sex this is the laws sentence and it’s not disputable it’s just the law that imparts death for sin

“But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭22:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

donyou think this is what Jesus teaches people to treat sa sinner who had pre marital sex ? Is that the same judgement as the gospel ?

this disposition

“Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭23:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Is why the law is like this

“And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭15:32, 35-36‬ ‭

But this is jesus

“Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭7:47-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

at he angel over the law who we are told specifically will not pardon sin is not Jesus the law is from tbat disposition it is made for this porpose

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s made not to pardon sin but to hold everyone guilty for every transgression even one sin means you e broken the law and now are sentenced to death th ta why everyone has to accept Jesus dying on thier behalf …

the law cannot do this only the gospel can

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:51‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m not sure why you see a promise of death in the new covenant death came from sin and sin is remitted in Christ through repentance …..

ots a promise by God that one will be saved from death and given everlasting life the only death is when we reject it

again though yes there’s death of we reject the gospel that’s what the new terrement is trying to save us from its salvation from death death came from sin and is imputed by the law ….
I would say generally I agree with you, I will say like this, in the OT and NT there are promises of life and death, depending on if one chooses to have faith and obedience or chooses not to. The reason I made a post on death in the NT is becase a claim was made only the OT talks about that or something similar.

The last verse I posted contained BOTH, possibly you didnt actually read my whole post or just missed it:

John 5:28-30, " 28 “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, 29 and shall come forth – those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practised evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. 30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.
but there is clearly a choice of life or death in the entire Word:

"those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practised evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment."

Very similar to this:

Deuteronomy 30:19-20, "“I have called the heavens and the earth as witnesses today against you: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Therefore you shall choose life, so that you live, both you and your seed, to love יהוה your Elohim, to obey His voice, and to cling to Him – for He is your life and the length of your days – to dwell in the land which יהוה swore to your fathers, to Aḇraham, to Yitsḥaq, and to Ya‛aqoḇ, to give them.”