Yes, indeed.I've always found the best place to start is prayer. Then I would see if God begins to work on their hearts.
Yes, indeed.I've always found the best place to start is prayer. Then I would see if God begins to work on their hearts.
An oldie but a goodie.Yes, indeed.
I've always found the best place to start is prayer. Then I would see if God begins to work on their hearts.
Yes, indeed.
An oldie but a goodie.
Looking for some guidance and godly counsel. I have this really odd situation at my workplace that’s been going on for years. I work around several individuals who will randomly take jabs at Christianity and Jesus while I’m in earshot. They habitually swear in Jesus name then will turn around and in passing conversations with others they will say things like “ Jim , saw ya last night, did ya get saved?” “Did ya find Jesus? “ I’m assuming they both attended the same church service but its about as condescending towards the other as possible. Zero visible fruit in these way either of these guys carry themselves. When I try to talk about Jesus things literally they have zero interest and put up the walls about not mixing religion and work and run away . I don’t get it. It’s like they have their own religiousness and I’m outside that evidently. Am I to assume these are indeed words spoken from the church attending but yet unbelieving and mockers? The foul things that come fourth from their mouths while claiming Jesus is just astonishing from these guys. Anyone experience anything like this? It’s at a level I don’t even know how to enter conversation without getting sucked into their ungodly conversations. Do I begin assuming they are unbelievers or do I begin by rebukes? Keep in mind, very tough skinned , blue collar workers. Not well educated and clearly not taking in what they are hearing in their church services.
Looking for some guidance and godly counsel. I have this really odd situation at my workplace that’s been going on for years. I work around several individuals who will randomly take jabs at Christianity and Jesus while I’m in earshot. They habitually swear in Jesus name then will turn around and in passing conversations with others they will say things like “ Jim , saw ya last night, did ya get saved?” “Did ya find Jesus? “ I’m assuming they both attended the same church service but its about as condescending towards the other as possible. Zero visible fruit in these way either of these guys carry themselves. When I try to talk about Jesus things literally they have zero interest and put up the walls about not mixing religion and work and run away . I don’t get it. It’s like they have their own religiousness and I’m outside that evidently. Am I to assume these are indeed words spoken from the church attending but yet unbelieving and mockers? The foul things that come fourth from their mouths while claiming Jesus is just astonishing from these guys. Anyone experience anything like this? It’s at a level I don’t even know how to enter conversation without getting sucked into their ungodly conversations. Do I begin assuming they are unbelievers or do I begin by rebukes? Keep in mind, very tough skinned , blue collar workers. Not well educated and clearly not taking in what they are hearing in their church services.
1. Address their behavior on a professional level
2. If 1 doesn't work. Report it as harassment.
3. Find a new job
4. Pray and treat their harassment with kindness. Sometimes being kind may stop their harassment.
5. Keep a journal with date, time, and witnesses. Document every incident. Try not to give them any ammunition. This gives you something to use for option two.
What are your goals?
Like, are you trying to get these two guys saved?
Are you just venting about an irritating job environment? That's ok too, but got to know or I'm just wasting time guessing.
So, I'm guessing that the two guys you mentioned are the only ones on the job?
So true.They are two of the noisiest. Make most of the trouble. I like a challenge. I’m of a mind that if I Take the hardest most boisterous ones on the rest may follow. It’s like a herd mentality thing, these two start in and the rest join in from the sidelines. They all really range from unbelieving, anti God, one very anti evangelism so much so as a Forman immediate boss came up to me when I began wearing my faith on my sleeve and made the statement
“you’re not going to be one of those annoying Christians that goes around telling everyone about God are you? If so we’re going to have a problem” then points to a car and says “this is my god” I was speechless. Clear intimidation tactic immediately from this boss of mine
I’d like to see them saved primarily the other issues are secondary and can come later as a byproduct of walking with the Lord.
They are two of the noisiest. Make most of the trouble. I like a challenge. I’m of a mind that if I Take the hardest most boisterous ones on the rest may follow. It’s like a herd mentality thing, these two start in and the rest join in from the sidelines. They all really range from unbelieving, anti God, one very anti evangelism so much so as a Forman immediate boss came up to me when I began wearing my faith on my sleeve and made the statement
“you’re not going to be one of those annoying Christians that goes around telling everyone about God are you? If so we’re going to have a problem” then points to a car and says “this is my god” I was speechless. Clear intimidation tactic immediately from this boss of mine
I first read about that kind of thing when I saw an article on Kayne West. At his church apparently there is no preaching.Looking for some guidance and godly counsel. I have this really odd situation at my workplace that’s been going on for years. I work around several individuals who will randomly take jabs at Christianity and Jesus while I’m in earshot. They habitually swear in Jesus name then will turn around and in passing conversations with others they will say things like “ Jim , saw ya last night, did ya get saved?” “Did ya find Jesus? “ I’m assuming they both attended the same church service but its about as condescending towards the other as possible. Zero visible fruit in these way either of these guys carry themselves. When I try to talk about Jesus things literally they have zero interest and put up the walls about not mixing religion and work and run away . I don’t get it. It’s like they have their own religiousness and I’m outside that evidently. Am I to assume these are indeed words spoken from the church attending but yet unbelieving and mockers? The foul things that come fourth from their mouths while claiming Jesus is just astonishing from these guys. Anyone experience anything like this? It’s at a level I don’t even know how to enter conversation without getting sucked into their ungodly conversations. Do I begin assuming they are unbelievers or do I begin by rebukes? Keep in mind, very tough skinned , blue collar workers. Not well educated and clearly not taking in what they are hearing in their church services.
I first read about that kind of thing when I saw an article on Kayne West. At his church apparently there is no preaching.
They seem to think that they can name the name of Jesus (which is really another Jesus) and carry on their worldly life. Obviously they believe in once saved always saved. But clearly there is no fruit meet for repentance.
Matthew 3:8 KJV
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
Yes, been there, done that.At my job, the issue is not one of people openly mocking Christ or Christianity. In fact, I pretty much never hear anybody say a word about such things except for maybe one or two people.
In my current situation, I am dealing with a lot of just outright nasty people, and they normally operate in cliques or groups. What I have been trying to do, and I have had a certain level of success, is to try to isolate people from their groups and befriend them, usually through a common interest, so I might gain some sort of inroad into their lives.
For example, there is one guy who, for no reason whatsoever, was the most obnoxious jerk imaginable to me for several months. I mean, it got so bad that I literally caught myself daydreaming about getting into a fistfight with him on several different occasions, and, of course, that is never the route to go. I had overheard him talking about his favorite NFL team several times, so I got him a lanyard (one of those things that you wear around your neck that you can put your keys or ID on) of his favorite team, and I gave it to him. When I did, you should have seen the look on his face. He was totally dumbfounded, and I was actually left wondering if he thought I was gay or something. Anyhow, that simple gesture really broke down a massive wall between us. Now, he says "Good morning" to me every day, and he regularly initiates conversations with me on different topics. We have not spoken about the Lord yet, but at least we are talking.
The same thing with another guy at work. He absolutely detested me for some unknown reason. In his case, I actually asked a woman in his department who I am friendly with to sort of go "undercover" to see why he hated me so much. She did ask him about it, and he told her that he could not stand me, but he admitted to her that he did not even know why. Anyhow, I knew that he was a Yankees fan (I could not care less about sports), so I engaged him in a brief conversation about the Yankees. Fast forward to now. He goes out of his way, every day, to initiate conversations with me on different topics. I am not sure exactly what the common denominator is with these types of people, but maybe it would help if you just took some sort of initiative to find some sort of commonality between you and your co-workers, and start from there.
Of course, the goal is to share Christ, but we do not necessarily have to lead the conversation with that.
I am thinking of a woman I work with as I type this. She absolutely detests Christianity, from what another worker told me, and when she found out that I was a Christian, I could immediately sense disdain for me in her. Well, I have been very kind to her, day after day, for months, and she is definitely warming up to me, and some walls are seemingly coming down.
Sometimes we just need some kindness mixed with a little patience. It has been said that we are the only Bible which some people will ever read, so let us concentrate on being living epistles of Christ or preaching through our lives. Believe me, I am not writing these things as someone who has always done things the right way, but I am learning.
Very true.Let me give you one more example from my workplace.
One guy that I work with, and he is probably one of only two or three friends that I have in the whole building, has a really bad temper. I mean a REALLY BAD TEMPER. In fact, he has gotten in the face of other co-workers as if he wanted to fistfight them. Just yesterday, I semi-jokingly said to him, "Hey, I must be a pretty good guy because you have never come at me to fight me", and he chuckled.
Anyhow, about a week ago, he starts telling me how he told off a female co-worker the day before (on my day off), and I was stunned. Not because he told somebody off, but because he and that female co-worker are normally very close. When I inquired about it, he said, "...plus that was the anniversary of what happened with my mother, so I was in a bad mood already". Well, he and I are friendly enough so I could ask him personal questions (I have shared a lot of personal information about my own life situations with him in the past), and when I inquired about his mother, I could not believe what he told me. Sixteen years ago, when he and his mother were living in Brooklyn, NY, his mother's ex-boyfriend (I have no idea what happened to his father) showed up at his aunt's house, and shot her while trying to kill her. His gunshot hit her in her arm, and she ran behind a car while making her way back towards the house. When he heard the gunshot, he ran outside to protect his mother, and her boyfriend shot him twice. Once in his arm, and once in his side. When his mother heard and saw what was happening, she ran back toward her son to protect him, and her boyfriend gunned her down in cold blood and killed her right in front of her son/my co-worker. Her ex-boyfriend fled the scene, and committed suicide later that day.
If that is not horrific enough, he went on to tell me that he has to appear in court this coming Monday because one of his cousins, who he and his wife allowed to live with them for years, had been sexually molesting his daughter between the ages of 7 through 14. This coming Monday, sentencing for his cousin will take place in court.
Having heard these types of things, I can certainly understand where his anger issues are coming from.
Anyhow, my point is that we never really know what people are going through until we really get to know the people themselves. With such being the case, again, I would encourage you to try to make some sort of inroads into your co-workers lives, and then proceed from there.
Just bite your tongue and don't say anything. I assume you're there to do a job, so do it and don't make waves. Making waves isn't for the workplace.
"Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom." James 3:13