I go to church for fellowship and good solid teaching. Our church does very old hymns and occasionally something a little more modern. But I find the hymns to be wonderful, exclaiming what Jesus did for us on the cross.
Out of tune with church music
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In regards to the beat calling up demons. I feel the missionaries missed an opportunity and they could have explained to the native’s of the reality of the spiritual realm. The beat held some kind of spiritual power and access point into the spiritual realm for them . Explaining That just as there are real demons that the natives called up prior, the natives now have access and authority to draw near to God in that same realm through that same powerful beat. Reminding them that both demons and God exist there in this unseen realm. It could have been explained that the beat has now been sanctified and consecrated to the Lord , that they are under the Lords protection when entering the spiritual realm with this beat and they have nothing to fear. That they now as saints have authority through Christ to command the demonic away from their presence and the beat is now consecrated to the Lords honor and brings Him great Joy to hear worshipers using the beat of music from their newly sanctified hearts into the spiritual realm.
That was my point. I'm not missing anything because I find public worship too distracting. So even when I showed up I wasn't worshipping, hence switching to private.
I'm not really missing anything. I don't need to be in a crowd for God to move or for my worship to be any better.
I'm also not a fan of most church music, old or new, and thus unfamiliar with every song.
Worship didn't actually Become fulfilling until I started doing this.
So a story someone else told you, that they heard from nameless supposed missionaries at some time and place unknown. Or perhaps they heard the story from someone else (more likely). Sounds like a strong foundation for an argument.
Certainly am not against the Scriptural way of praising God. The point being
can we Combine Godly lyrics with "Satan's beat" and Glorify God? ie:
"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what
fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what
communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath
Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an
infidel?
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are
the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them,
and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith The
Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will
be A Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith The
Lord Almighty." (2 Corinthians 6:14-18)
Thus Godly lyrics With Godly music Glorifies God, Correct?
Amen.
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FollowingtheWay
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It can’t be Satans beat if the music is consecrated to God. If the lyrics are still of God. Lots of good stuff out there if it’s your thing or not. John Cooper from the band Skillet is a really good example as well as a gal named Lacy Sturm former lead singer from flyleaf. They use their platforms to reach people who normally would never be churched to begin with and from what I’m seeing they are having good success and Lacy has a beautiful testimony worth listening to.
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FollowingtheWay
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All I know is that I have been gifted in neither music nor poetry. And to come up with a tune on my own, let alone put words to it, forget it. But I have heard, from someone I knew way back when, who was a godly man, he said you can take a secular tune and sing it as to God. I figured it was possible, but never knew what to think of it. I think if God is going to give somebody the gift of writing the words to a song He would give them a just as divine tune to go with it. Secular music, I doubt, has anything divine to it.
I just know that with the long background I have had in being exposed to some different kinds of music, only 1 kind, sung and played with the heart, and be it fast or slow, that's one of the choice few that I think would've made it behind the veil or, since the veil was torn, now goes straight to the Throne. And many of those are actually sung scripture, so you know it's biblical.
But in all this I don't understand why churches lack in even Messianic dance. Dance was God's idea first, but then Satan got in there to corrupt it, and thus churches got too scared or paranoid to allow it, without knowing how one can truly worship God with it.
As for choosing to do any worship on your own, as Subhumanoid said way back when, there is a beauty and purpose to public worship. And it's biblical. Don't you suppose that thousands upon thousands of angels worship Him who sits on the Throne? I don't know what you find so distracting about that. It can be absolutely beautiful. Besides that, Jesus said that if 2 or more come together in his name he would be in the midst of them, and that God inhabits our praise. So I think that is definitely a reason FOR corporate worship. To worship the KING as ONE body.
Other than that, has anyone on here ever really heard Messianic music? I'm talking Paul Wilbur, Joshua Aaron, Kol Simcha, Lamb, Aaron Shust, and lots of others. Those are just the ones I'm more familiar with, whether they are old or more recent songs.
I just know that with the long background I have had in being exposed to some different kinds of music, only 1 kind, sung and played with the heart, and be it fast or slow, that's one of the choice few that I think would've made it behind the veil or, since the veil was torn, now goes straight to the Throne. And many of those are actually sung scripture, so you know it's biblical.
But in all this I don't understand why churches lack in even Messianic dance. Dance was God's idea first, but then Satan got in there to corrupt it, and thus churches got too scared or paranoid to allow it, without knowing how one can truly worship God with it.
As for choosing to do any worship on your own, as Subhumanoid said way back when, there is a beauty and purpose to public worship. And it's biblical. Don't you suppose that thousands upon thousands of angels worship Him who sits on the Throne? I don't know what you find so distracting about that. It can be absolutely beautiful. Besides that, Jesus said that if 2 or more come together in his name he would be in the midst of them, and that God inhabits our praise. So I think that is definitely a reason FOR corporate worship. To worship the KING as ONE body.
Other than that, has anyone on here ever really heard Messianic music? I'm talking Paul Wilbur, Joshua Aaron, Kol Simcha, Lamb, Aaron Shust, and lots of others. Those are just the ones I'm more familiar with, whether they are old or more recent songs.
For me that would be difficult. I'm a musician though. I know someone who doesn't like music. Who doesn't like music??? Stay away from that person.
jk Our church has the best music and the pastor even writes his own using the Bible for lyrics. It's interesting though how people are so against bethel music and such. "Flow through the caverns of my soul. " you just can't find older songs like them. I'm not a big fan of older hymes... unless I know it well and it's more nostalgia than actually liking the music.
I like excellent music bc you can feel God flowing through you when you sing. I would actually take some teachings I don't agree on verses terrible music. Religion is too political in my opinion anyway. Not that anyone means it that way. It's just what it became. Another reason I like the music more. It reminds me of when I met an angel in my dreams. The political version of religion doesn't exist in the spiritual. It's more like the childhood version " Jesus loves me. For the Bible tells me so. " type of mentality.
I don't care that much about older songs. The one you just mentioned though, about caverns, I never heard of that. Maybe it's because it was long before my time? LOL It sounds pretty old, regardless of my (dry?) joke.
I just Googled bethel music to get a better idea as to what you are talking about, and I must say, it all leaves me bewildered and with mixed feelings. But despite who and what music groups believe and try to say is acceptable through their music, it all boils down to What does the Word of God say?
Yes, religion is political, if you mean that different denominations think theirs is the best. But I have known of people who go to a particular denomination of church, yet don't know why they go to that one. Maybe it's just the one they were brought up in, but I don't think most people know. I didn't as I was growing up, and when I grew up and had more spiritual experiences I knowingly changed denominations and haven't been back.
I'd like to hear one of the songs your pastor has written using the Bible for the lyrics. That sounds good.--or right, anyway.
But I do think the tune can shed a lot of light on the intention of the word. I've heard some that don't seem to fit the scripture though. And I know of a song I'm surprised somebody found a way to make into a song. The scripture just doesn't read like it was meant to be in a song. LOL But it's got a message, and if putting it to music helps people to remember it, go for it--within reason.
But still, as for church music itself, it's hard to know who to go to about it that will take you seriously and be open to what you have to say. The pastor or the worship leader(s)? It can be telling of where THEY are spiritually or what THEY have been exposed to--or not--as to why certain music isn't played. And then whaddya do if they don't see things your way? It's not always a matter of personal preference, which it can be mistaken as. I think mine was.
I just Googled bethel music to get a better idea as to what you are talking about, and I must say, it all leaves me bewildered and with mixed feelings. But despite who and what music groups believe and try to say is acceptable through their music, it all boils down to What does the Word of God say?
Yes, religion is political, if you mean that different denominations think theirs is the best. But I have known of people who go to a particular denomination of church, yet don't know why they go to that one. Maybe it's just the one they were brought up in, but I don't think most people know. I didn't as I was growing up, and when I grew up and had more spiritual experiences I knowingly changed denominations and haven't been back.
I'd like to hear one of the songs your pastor has written using the Bible for the lyrics. That sounds good.--or right, anyway.
But I do think the tune can shed a lot of light on the intention of the word. I've heard some that don't seem to fit the scripture though. And I know of a song I'm surprised somebody found a way to make into a song. The scripture just doesn't read like it was meant to be in a song. LOL But it's got a message, and if putting it to music helps people to remember it, go for it--within reason.
But still, as for church music itself, it's hard to know who to go to about it that will take you seriously and be open to what you have to say. The pastor or the worship leader(s)? It can be telling of where THEY are spiritually or what THEY have been exposed to--or not--as to why certain music isn't played. And then whaddya do if they don't see things your way? It's not always a matter of personal preference, which it can be mistaken as. I think mine was.
But is it interesting to note that Bethel church teaches tons of false doctrine, their disciples receive it, then some of these same disciples write & sing so-called worship songs?
We should remember the Word that says:
Luke 6:43“For no good tree bears bad fruit, nor again does a bad tree bear good fruit, 44for each tree is known by its own fruit. For figs are not gathered from thornbushes, nor are grapes picked from a bramble bush. 45The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure produces evil, for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.(or sings?)
Matthew 7:15“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.
Why, O why should we listen to/sing the music of the disciples of false teachers/prophets?!?!?
You don't have to understand for it to be true.
Also I did not say it was a bad thing to have public worship, I said it was My issue.
Perhaps rather than trying to push me into your point of view why not be glad for me that I found something that works for me?
Not all people are the same. Not all function the same, and in the body of Christ not all are meant to.
In the body of Christ different people are meant to have different roles. And that means different types of people.
Unity isn't conformity, it's bringing together differences to function as one. Once you remove differences you no longer have unity, but clones. And then there is no body, since everyone is the same.
For me that would be difficult. I'm a musician though. I know someone who doesn't like music. Who doesn't like music??? Stay away from that person.
Our church has the best music and the pastor even writes his own using the Bible for lyrics. It's interesting though how people are so against bethel music and such. "Flow through the caverns of my soul. " you just can't find older songs like them. I'm not a big fan of older hymes... unless I know it well and it's more nostalgia than actually liking the music.
I like excellent music bc you can feel God flowing through you when you sing. I would actually take some teachings I don't agree on verses terrible music. Religion is too political in my opinion anyway. Not that anyone means it that way. It's just what it became. Another reason I like the music more. It reminds me of when I met an angel in my dreams. The political version of religion doesn't exist in the spiritual. It's more like the childhood version " Jesus loves me. For the Bible tells me so. " type of mentality.
blueluna5, You said you met an angel in your dreams once. I'd like to know the story on that, but would you feel comfortable telling it on here? I'm interested in knowing it if talked to you, plus I am wondering if it was something that made you understand what Joseph experienced when the angel there told him to not be afraid to take Mary as his wife, for just one example.
*facepalm
No, what I said was I found doing it at home, alone, a better option for me. And yes, I would show up late, as well, since I wasn't participating. But that wasn't really my main point.
My point was I found a way to worship that was fulfilling when church and public worship wasn't working for me.
The name is a bit sci-fi. And a hand coming up out of the slime, for my avatar, seemed to fit it well.
But at the time it also represented how I felt about a lot of things regarding myself at the time.
I'm not sure what Joseph experienced with his dream since I wasn't there. I did have a great sense of peace so I assume he felt something similar.
My dream reminded me more of Jacob's ladder, because the angel appeared to me on a staircase made of gold. In my dream I was with other people and I spilled wine on myself. I was there for a wedding (no clue whose.... bc it was a dream or i just don't remember.) I was leaving the wedding bc of the wine all over.
On the staircase a God like being approached me. It was super awkward to me at first bc I have never seen an angel before (obviously) so I froze. This is typically how I react to fear and just stared at "him". It's weird bc it's an entity not a man but seemed more masculine looking. I also had trouble concentrating bc I felt so many emotions and some I've never experienced before and some mixed. I've never done drugs before but I assume that's what they are going for bc it felt amazing.
I thought what is this that I'm feeling. He spoke to my mind and said this is the love of God. I thought that's crazy, I've loved and never felt this before. I tried looking at him thinking maybe the answer will come but felt kinda hypnotized might be a good way to put it. I could only think of the beauty bc I'd never seen a being like him before. I also could feel his pure pureness, which the Bible describes as holiness. So I thought you are pure, you are beautiful. He reached out his hand and said, "come to us my love" when he spoke the whole place was shaking and I was scared bc he was so strong that everything moved to his voice. I looked down at the wine, which appeared to me as blood. I was embarrassed I think (still feeling a million emotions but trying to pull away). I said, "I'm not ready yet. " and was terrified bc I just realized I said no and thought he would be ticked. I looked up quick ready for the wrath and he was just smiling and I floated away. I can still remember every part of his face. Unfortunately I'm not an artist.
I realize now the blood was suppose to represent Jesus and again the love of God he was explaining. Idk why I didn't ask his name. Also I remember slamming into my physical body and when I woke up I thought that was Jesus. It's only after reflection I figured he looked more like an angel.
Music is the gateway most of the false churches use to get people in the door. Then they can indoctrinate them with false doctrine.
What I see is many people "go to church" to be entertained not to learn and worship.
So there are those who use music that appeals to the flesh and call it worship.
From the size of their buildings and crowds it seems to work.
Don't believe God approves nor is His Spirit there.
But... But... But then I wouldn't have anything to complain about!
Get with the times you dinosaur. Moving on and finding something you do like is so old-fashioned. Quietly sitting through it and getting your blessing on the next song is even more so, practically prehistoric. Complaining loudly is the modern trend.