Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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I agree with this, and if you read my posts I have never said anything different. and want to add that is a high quality post well thought out and well worded, I really enjoyed it
I would then ask, because this is what comes to mind, why am I accused of "justified by works" and such things by people here?
I simply said obedience is a good thing and I also post verses about obedience. Such as this
Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”
Yet I get strongly disagreed with, I dont understand it, it is written, im just quoting it
I would then ask, because this is what comes to mind, why am I accused of "justified by works" and such things by people here?
I simply said obedience is a good thing and I also post verses about obedience. Such as this
Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”
Yet I get strongly disagreed with, I dont understand it, it is written, im just quoting it
Where did I say it makes a believer saved?
That is exactly what im talking about. I post a verse on obedience and, honestly it usually much worse than that, but none the les I do agree. and would even add that I think it's additional mecanisim of YHWH putting His SPirit in/on the believers heart:
Hebrews 10:16, “This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them.”
I want to add, just for clarity, that if it were based upon obedience only, everyone except Yahshua would fall short, so thank YHWH for Yahshua.
That is exactly what im talking about. I post a verse on obedience and, honestly it usually much worse than that, but none the les I do agree. and would even add that I think it's additional mecanisim of YHWH putting His SPirit in/on the believers heart:
Hebrews 10:16, “This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them.”
I want to add, just for clarity, that if it were based upon obedience only, everyone except Yahshua would fall short, so thank YHWH for Yahshua.
Yeah, how can anybody know if they're REALLY saved in the first place?
No doubt they like to THINK they're saved, but that doesn't mean they ARE.
Me, I'm simply keeping my fingers crossed and hoping for the best..
No doubt they like to THINK they're saved, but that doesn't mean they ARE.
Me, I'm simply keeping my fingers crossed and hoping for the best..
"Put on the full armour of God against the wiles of the devil" (Eph 6:11-18 )
We are told to endure
Matt 24:12-13, “And because of the increase in lawlessness, the love of many shall become cold. But he who shall have endured to the end shall be saved.”
and we have NEED for endurance
Hebrews 10:36-8, “For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of the Mighty One you may receive what is promised. For yet a little while – He who is coming shall come and shall not delay. But the righteous shall live by belief, but if anyone draws back, my being has no pleasure in him.”
to hold fast
Hebrews 3:14, “For we have become partakers of Messiah if we hold fast the beginning of our trust firm to the end.”
to endure the trial
James 1:12, "Blessed is the man who does endure trial, for when he has been proved, he shall receive the crown of life which the Master has promised to those who love Him."
we must overcome
Revelation 3:21, “To him who overcomes I shall give to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.”
here we are told how, they get harder as the list goes on
Revelation 12:11, “And they overcame him because of the Blood of the Lamb, and because of the Word of their witness, and they did not love their lives to the death."
they overcame him because of
the Blood of the Lamb,
and because of the Word of their witness,
and they did not love their lives to the death
Matt 24:12-13, “And because of the increase in lawlessness, the love of many shall become cold. But he who shall have endured to the end shall be saved.”
and we have NEED for endurance
Hebrews 10:36-8, “For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of the Mighty One you may receive what is promised. For yet a little while – He who is coming shall come and shall not delay. But the righteous shall live by belief, but if anyone draws back, my being has no pleasure in him.”
to hold fast
Hebrews 3:14, “For we have become partakers of Messiah if we hold fast the beginning of our trust firm to the end.”
to endure the trial
James 1:12, "Blessed is the man who does endure trial, for when he has been proved, he shall receive the crown of life which the Master has promised to those who love Him."
we must overcome
Revelation 3:21, “To him who overcomes I shall give to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.”
here we are told how, they get harder as the list goes on
Revelation 12:11, “And they overcame him because of the Blood of the Lamb, and because of the Word of their witness, and they did not love their lives to the death."
they overcame him because of
the Blood of the Lamb,
and because of the Word of their witness,
and they did not love their lives to the death
I already did, and I think it is a simple question, how you are relucktant to answer it castst doubt on your views, with that sais I think I do have a lot in common in the way you see things and respect you, I have read some of your posts in the other forums and I like that you speak against the evils ofthis world.
I will answer them 1st if that would help? Well maybe we should start a new thread on this topic to not derail here actually? Because honestly Im interested in this opic because yesterday I was told Im wrong in this matter, would you be interested in that?
I will answer them 1st if that would help? Well maybe we should start a new thread on this topic to not derail here actually? Because honestly Im interested in this opic because yesterday I was told Im wrong in this matter, would you be interested in that?
ALL of those passages are DESCRIPTIVE of what a true believer WILL do.
So IF you are a good tree, you WILL endure, overcome, and hold fast. That's exactly what Jesus said.
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
So IF you are a good tree, you WILL endure, overcome, and hold fast. That's exactly what Jesus said.
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
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