Maui Fire

[ZNP]

One news report was of power line poles cut next to dry brush. It's hard to prove who did it without a confession, but they have a long list of suspects that should be interrogated and investigated.
With that and all the other evidence, I have no reason to care about the manner in which the fire started. It just seems to me like a serious case of arson and mass murder.

That has been ruled out. The fire that was started by the power lines was put out and the power company turned off the power about six hours before the massive deadly fire started.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

That has been ruled out. The fire that was started by the power lines was put out and the power company turned off the power about six hours before the massive deadly fire started.

It's good that new information is coming in all of the time. I heard that the fire trucks were centered on a diversion on another area that didn't threaten life like the community that was destroyed. Are you saying that there was a blackout on that section of Maui?

 

[iamsoandso]

I don't think we need to wait, there is plenty of observable physical evidence to discuss. regardless of whether this is a natural causes or an act of war, either way the people responsible for the response to this catastrophe should be fired. Regardless of what they want to say as a defense it is undeniable that the outcome could not have possibly been worse. As far as the police chief goes, one mass murder can be bad luck, two should mean that you are not cut out for this job. He should be relieved of duty and investigated.

The book of revelation compares the spirit of Antichrist to Caesar Nero, so if this fire was an attempt to be able to buy up this land at a small fraction of what it was worth prior to the fire, then not only should we be concerned about corruption but also with the Spirit of Antichrist operating.

I have not heard a decent explanation for why the siren wasn't sounded and we don't need to give them more time to fabricate some story. It is easy to confirm when the electricity was turned off and when the last devastating fire started. If the fire didn't start with a power line then the next best explanation for that bright light which stated it will be a laser from a satellite.

It is very important to demand questions be answered early in the investigation because if they change their story it is very telling. Already they have changed virtually everything about the story.

One news report was of power line poles cut next to dry brush. It's hard to prove who did it without a confession, but they have a long list of suspects that should be interrogated and investigated.
With that and all the other evidence, I have no reason to care about the manner in which the fire started. It just seems to me like a serious case of arson and mass murder.

Yea, I guess I could imagine everything from just some small kid playing with matches to a drug addict passing out and setting it all on fire but I just don't know so I'm gonna wait and see what they find out. It's just sad to see all of the dead to me and my focus is to pray for their families and for those injured.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

That has been ruled out. The fire that was started by the power lines was put out and the power company turned off the power about six hours before the massive deadly fire started.

Here's a number of people who saw when they were herded into the flame zone and forced to wait as the fire approached. They were not allowed out of town onto the highway until the police finally ran away.

Link

 

[Moses_Young]

The little I've read and watched about the fires indicate it was hot enough to melt aluminium from cars and incinerate bodies. Much higher temperatures than bush fires could ever conjure.

My view is that a new type of death penalty needs to be instituted - perhaps involving pikes up ignoble posteriors - for any officials or "public servants" found guilty of murder or manslaughter by preventing the escape of residents. Electric chairs, hangings and lethal injections seem too humane for the penalty deserved.

 

[ZNP]

It's good that new information is coming in all of the time. I heard that the fire trucks were centered on a diversion on another area that didn't threaten life like the community that was destroyed. Are you saying that there was a blackout on that section of Maui?

I'm saying the power company is claiming they can prove they were not the cause of the destructive fire.

 

[ZNP]

Related story?

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I'm saying the power company is claiming they can prove they were not the cause of the destructive fire.

I suppose anyone could have cut through telephone poles. I.heard that Black Rock was responsible for clearing the power line ridaway.
Energy weapons existed for longer than I' ve been on the planet. No doubt they could have used those and are very suspect. It just makes me wonder why the telephone poles would be cut if they used those weapons. Antipha started a bunch of fires in the states, yet another suspect as the grunts who carried out the dirty deeds.

 

[ZNP]

I suppose anyone could have cut through telephone poles. I.heard that Black Rock was responsible for clearing the power line ridaway.
Energy weapons existed for longer than I' ve been on the planet. No doubt they could have used those and are very suspect. It just makes me wonder why the telephone poles would be cut if they used those weapons. Antipha started a bunch of fires in the states, yet another suspect as the grunts who carried out the dirty deeds.

I can propose a theory. Suppose you were going to use the weapons but wanted a cover story that it was the power lines. Perhaps you are "killing two birds with one stone". You want the land and you want the power company. If they are responsible for the fire they will be bankrupted from the lawsuits. You cut a few poles, start a fire, and the plan is to come in with the lasers when the fire is roaring so it is not obvious. However, the fire is put out and then six hours later the lasers come in. Your laser show is caught on camera. Your cover story was the power lines and you release that immediately, only problem is a few days later it is shown to be false.

The stock in the power company was down 40% when people thought they were responsible and when the news came out it was back up 40%. Whoever wanted to take over the power company was able to buy up the stock at a 40% discount.

 

[Moses_Young]

I suppose anyone could have cut through telephone poles. I.heard that Black Rock was responsible for clearing the power line ridaway.
Energy weapons existed for longer than I' ve been on the planet. No doubt they could have used those and are very suspect. It just makes me wonder why the telephone poles would be cut if they used those weapons.

To stop communications? This was supposed to be a climate scam thing, but too many witness accounts are indicating it is more likely Directed Energy Weapons.

 

[ZNP]

To stop communications? This was supposed to be a climate scam thing, but too many witness accounts are indicating it is more likely Directed Energy Weapons.

More and more it looks like "climate change" is a cover for them to burn up land they want to buy.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

To stop communications? This was supposed to be a climate scam thing, but too many witness accounts are indicating it is more likely Directed Energy Weapons.

I wouldn't be surprised. Perhaps you and zno are right. I had not thought about the telephone communications, just their method of starting the fires.
If you come across any interviews, I'm interested in hearing them. So far it's been second or third hand reports.
There's a guy named Fish who I heard on a podcast interview the other day. He had a lot of details, but didn't get into that. I think I posted it over the weekend.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

I can propose a theory. Suppose you were going to use the weapons but wanted a cover story that it was the power lines. Perhaps you are "killing two birds with one stone". You want the land and you want the power company. If they are responsible for the fire they will be bankrupted from the lawsuits. You cut a few poles, start a fire, and the plan is to come in with the lasers when the fire is roaring so it is not obvious. However, the fire is put out and then six hours later the lasers come in. Your laser show is caught on camera. Your cover story was the power lines and you release that immediately, only problem is a few days later it is shown to be false.

The stock in the power company was down 40% when people thought they were responsible and when the news came out it was back up 40%. Whoever wanted to take over the power company was able to buy up the stock at a 40% discount.

Whatever the motives and whoever the criminals are, they are making lots of money over this. I suppose that would be one way they could do that. Didn't Blackrock own the company to begin with?

 

[Billyd]

The little I've read and watched about the fires indicate it was hot enough to melt aluminium from cars and incinerate bodies. Much higher temperatures than bush fires could ever conjure.

My view is that a new type of death penalty needs to be instituted - perhaps involving pikes up ignoble posteriors - for any officials or "public servants" found guilty of murder or manslaughter by preventing the escape of residents. Electric chairs, hangings and lethal injections seem too humane for the penalty deserved.

60 MPH wind and thick dry wood can produce temperatures high enough to melt steel. If you look at some of the CA wildfires involving wooden structures, you will see melted bathtubs, metal structures, etc. You'll also see areas where steel buildings are burnt to the ground. All it takes to start a fire like this one is a cigarette but.

 

[ZNP]

60 MPH wind and thick dry wood can produce temperatures high enough to melt steel. If you look at some of the CA wildfires involving wooden structures, you will see melted bathtubs, metal structures, etc. You'll also see areas where steel buildings are burnt to the ground. All it takes to start a fire like this one is a cigarette but.

Not likely, in virtually all examples other than a man made furnace impossible.

Wood burns at about 2,000 degrees at the hottest. You would need excellent air flow and that temperature would be directly above the flame.

Meanwhile steel melts at 2500-2800 degrees F. What is the likelihood that you have a wood fire burning directly below a steel beam? Most steel structures are built on concrete and would be 10-20 feet above any fire. Also buildings have terrible airflow which is why most fires of a building are full of black smoke indicating an oxygen starved fire.

If you have a 60mph wind that would blow the heat away making it even harder to have the temperature to focus on a steel beam.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

To stop communications? This was supposed to be a climate scam thing, but too many witness accounts are indicating it is more likely Directed Energy Weapons.

Hi Moses,

I had a chance to listen to the Stew Peters Show and an interview with a Hawaiian Realtor. They were pretty interesting and the one interview AJ showed video that looked like laser fire from a jet.
The point that AJ made with Stew and the realtor was that the powerful laser reflects off of blue color, but not the rest. Guess what was left unburnt? Blue T Shirts.

Stew Peters Show

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

The little I've read and watched about the fires indicate it was hot enough to melt aluminium from cars and incinerate bodies. Much higher temperatures than bush fires could ever conjure.

My view is that a new type of death penalty needs to be instituted - perhaps involving pikes up ignoble posteriors - for any officials or "public servants" found guilty of murder or manslaughter by preventing the escape of residents. Electric chairs, hangings and lethal injections seem too humane for the penalty deserved.

Here's a local independent media.
He has a YouTube channel and interviewed a guy named Fish the other evening who witnessed how people were routed on the main street that had been engulfed by flames. He was on foot and had a safer place to go. It was worth listening to as well. This is a different video.
Here's evidence that convinced me that it was not a simple fire caused by downed power lines.

 

[Moses_Young]

60 MPH wind and thick dry wood can produce temperatures high enough to melt steel. If you look at some of the CA wildfires involving wooden structures, you will see melted bathtubs, metal structures, etc. You'll also see areas where steel buildings are burnt to the ground. All it takes to start a fire like this one is a cigarette but.

I guess it's just gonna be your word against mine on this one, 'cause neither of us seem to have proof at this stage. But bushfires never incinerate bodies like this one did. Or are you going to claim that was done in the CA wildfires also?

 

[ZNP]

I guess it's just gonna be your word against mine on this one, 'cause neither of us seem to have proof at this stage. But bushfires never incinerate bodies like this one did. Or are you going to claim that was done in the CA wildfires also?

Cremation takes 3 hours to burn a human body to ashes. One would think the body would fall to the ground trying to breath and then expire. Since you are lying on the ground you are not lying on the fire. It is possible if you were in a house fire or if a tree fell on you that you would be burned to ashes. But one would think that is the exception and not the rule.

 

[ZNP]