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posthuman

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Galatians 3:27-29, “For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is not Yehuḏi nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah יהושע. And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise.”
would this not mean that we are not made Jews by being found in Christ, sincethere is neither Jew nor Greek?
 

posthuman

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As the bible says,. the law changed so that means heaven and earth passed away. It is symbology for a heaven and earth age passing related to the replacing of the old covenant and it's law with a new covenant with it's law.

OR

all was fulfilled
 

posthuman

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Ahhhh....no. See post #123

https://christianchat.com/threads/10-bridemaids.212309/post-5144057

Rom 9:3
For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Rom 9:4
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Rom 9:5
Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 9:6
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
this seems to me to be restrictive, that is, true "Israel“ is contained in ethnic Israel but doesn't include all ethnic Israel.

It is often interpreted as inclusive, that is, meaning non-ethnic Israelites become part of true "Israel" by (a) putting on Christ or (b) becoosome. kind of super-Christian above ordinary faith.
but I don't see that from having become children of Abraham - he is not an Israelite, those are sons and daughters of Jacob.
 

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2Chr. 7:14 and My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

No where in Scripture does God promise to heal any other nation under any circumstances. God does not have a covenant with the United States. Only Israel receives such a promise, which will be fulfilled at Christ's Second Coming. Yes, we are grafted into the promises of Israel, but remember the full context of Paul's analogy in Romans 11. We are the unnatural branches grafted into the natural tree. The promises are given to the natural (Israel), and the unnatural branches will benefit from them as well, but the benefit is purely spiritual. Through the promises of Israel, we receive opportunity for salvation and to know the Lord and learn His word. On the other hand, we do not gain the right to have all that Israel was promised.


Likewise, the Church is blessed by its connection to Israel through our faith in the promises of God, but we are not Israel and never will be Israel. Therefore, we cannot look upon promises spoken directly to that nation and assume each detail is true for Christians or us personally, unless those principles are repeated to the church specifically in other Scripture.
 

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Matthew 24 s is directed at Israel internally or looking out of Israel
Well, it just isn't, as the words of the Lord Jesus shows, He distinctly says that Matt chapter 24 is about the kingdom of Heaven (i.e., the Church, which is the Body of Christ) and not the kingdom of Israel!

Also see Mark 13v37

Maybe you know better that the Lord Jesus?
 

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Well, it just isn't, as the words of the Lord Jesus shows, He distinctly says that Matt chapter 24 is about the kingdom of Heaven (i.e., the Church, which is the Body of Christ) and not the kingdom of Israel!

Also see Mark 13v37

Maybe you know better that the Lord Jesus?

Cant talk to someone who says the church has replaced Israel
 

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The law changed according to Hebrews.

Heb_7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
What you quote pertains to the levitical priesthood, miscellaneous rules about the temple sacrifices and applied to the priesthood of Aaron. It has nothing to do with the commandments as taught by the son of GOD. The commandments have not not passed way I assure you.

nice try....

Blessings.
 

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What you quote pertains to the levitical priesthood, miscellaneous rules about the temple sacrifices and applied to the priesthood of Aaron. It has nothing to do with the commandments as taught by the son of GOD. The commandments have not not passed way I assure you.

nice try....

Blessings.
only selected jots and tittles were deleted?
 

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It has nothing to do with the commandments as taught by the son of GOD. The commandments have not not passed way I assure you.

Still says the law changed, and it certainly did as we have a new covenant and a new law.
 

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only selected jots and tittles were deleted?
What do you mean? the rest of what is called the law, the 613?, these are for the most part non applicable many of these rules were for Israel in the wilderness because of the hardness of their hearts and rebellious attitude towards God and for the priests ( ceremonial law) tending the temple/tabernacle. What was put inside the arch of the covenant were the 2 tablets of stone containing as you know the 10 Commandments, the rest the law, was outside the arch not inside;

Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
Deu 31:27 For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death?

Or do you refer to the 2 commandments that summarize the 10 commandments the first part to love God with all our hearts the first four commandments then the rest the last 6 summarizing the last 6 commandments to love your neighbour as yourself?

Mar 12:28 And one of the scribes having come near, having heard them disputing, knowing that he answered them well, questioned him, 'Which is the first command of all?'
Mar 12:29 and Jesus answered him—'The first of all the commands is , Hear, O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one;
Mar 12:30 and thou shalt love the Lord thy God out of all thy heart, and out of thy soul, and out of all thine understanding, and out of all thy strength—this is the first command;
Mar 12:31 and the second is like it , this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself; —greater than these there is no other command.'
Mar 12:32 And the scribe said to him, 'Well, Teacher, in truth thou hast spoken that there is one God, and there is none other but He;
Mar 12:33 and to love Him out of all the heart, and out of all the understanding, and out of all the soul, and out of all the strength, and to love one's neighbour as one's self, is more than all the whole burnt-offerings and the sacrifices.'
Mar 12:34 And Jesus, having seen him that he answered with understanding, said to him, 'Thou art not far from the reign of God;' and no one any more durst question him.


BLessings
 

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Still says the law changed, and it certainly did as we have a new covenant and a new law.
What about the words of Jesus who says;

Mat 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them.
Mat 5:18 For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Mat 5:19 So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Why are you against the words of our lord Jesus, he is the only way to eternal life please do follow his teachings.

Blessings.
 

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What about the words of Jesus who says;

There's no conflict. Let's stick to the topic. Jesus said the law cannot change unless heaven and earth passed, the law did change, so heaven and earth passed (not literally).
 

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i mean that,
you informed me that some of the Law has passed away and some of it hasn't.



so selected jots and tittles..

the levitical priesthood
miscellaneous rules about the temple
but not all the jots and tittles..

The commandments have not not passed way

IOW your beliefs only delete the Law a little bit?
 

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There's no conflict. Let's stick to the topic. Jesus said the law cannot change unless heaven and earth passed, the law did change, so heaven and earth passed (not literally).
Where did you learn all this is it in scripture? can you point me in the right direction? you did use some but it is your own interpretation i think.

Blessings.
 

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i mean that,
you informed me that some of the Law has passed away and some of it hasn't.



so selected jots and tittles..





but not all the jots and tittles..




IOW your beliefs only delete the Law a little bit?
i mean that,
you informed me that some of the Law has passed away and some of it hasn't.



so selected jots and tittles..





but not all the jots and tittles..




IOW your beliefs only delete the Law a little bit?
The commandments in the context of the NT are commonly referred as the law. I always refer to the commandments not the mosaic law. The commandments will not pass away until the new covenant comes in effect when GOD will write the commandments in our hearts. it is clearly not the case as the majority still rejects the 10 commandments as something impossible to follow which is not the case, following the commandments is a requirement for entering eternal life, It here is a plenty of scripture to prove this. I just wish people would understand this. Only the true believers who do the father's will can inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

Blessings.
 

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The commandments in the context of the NT are commonly referred as the law. I always refer to the commandments not the mosaic law. The commandments will not pass away until the new covenant comes in effect when GOD will write the commandments in our hearts.

The new covenant started at the cross. It's one of the foundations of Christianity.
 

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Just scroll back. It's all in this same thread.
I think I understand the problem it if of the the usage of ""LAW"" or ""commandments,"" they are not obviously the same and the meaning fand usage of both is different. the commandments see my post 156.

Blessings.