The misunderstood Book of James & parsing the covenants/dispensations.

[John146]

Can you imagine the ABSURDITY of addressing unsaved Jews (the whole nation of Israel) within the New Testament, while teaching them Christian truths? The unsaved had already rejected Christ and the Gospel so why would they obey Christian directives? But both James and Peter are addressing HEBREW CHRISTIANS. Those who were within the Church. Peter calls them strangers (or sojourners, παρεπιδήμοις, parepidēmois = someone passing through) since after the persecution of Hebrew Christians in Jerusalem and Judea, they were in fact scattered throughout the Roman empire: Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, This is the same group addressed by James.

ALL THE EPISTLES ARE WRITTEN TO THE CHILDREN OF GOD -- CHRISTIANS -- AND IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER THEY ARE ADDRESSED TO HEBREW CHRISTIANS EXCLUSIVELY OR BOTH GROUPS (INCLUDING GENTILES). As we know, in the Body of Christ that distinction is null and void.

Rightly divide the word of truth...the book of James is written to the Jews during their time of trouble. If your a Jew living in the time of Jacob's trouble, you better listen to James.

1. If there is no Jew or Gentile in the body of Christ, why would James write only to Jewish Christians? Paul states that there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek. In fact, Paul points out that there is no longer any distinction between Jew and Greek. To make the distinction of Jewish Christians would be counterproductive.

2. It is obvious that there are those in the audience that have not received the word and their souls were not saved. 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

3. The Jews will be scattered during the tribulation.

4. The rich is condemned throughout the book. Paul never condemns Christians for being rich, but commands them to do good. To be rich during the tribulation means you have sold out to the anti-christ.

5. James plainly states that a man is justified by works and not by faith only. He is answering the question, "Can faith save him?" James is not answering the question, will works follow faith, as most commentaries claim. Faith and works is the method during the tribulation. See Revelation 12:17 and 14:12.

6. James states in 5:9 that the Lord is standing ready to return as Judge. During the Church Age, Paul states that Christ is seated at the right hand of the Father.

7. Is the following a description of the early church? Chapter 4
1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?
2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Acts describes them in this manner: Acts 8:4 Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.

I could go on and on. I would advise to study the word, the holy word, the KJV, and not commentaries.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Rightly divide the word of truth...the book of James is written to the Jews during their time of trouble. If your a Jew living in the time of Jacob's trouble, you better listen to James.

There is absolutely no biblical basis for this conclusion. Pure speculation. Unsaved Jews do not bother reading the New Testament.

 

[StreetPreacher]

Unity in the faith is practically non-existent yet love for the brethren in the earmark of a true believer

 

[John146]

There is absolutely no biblical basis for this conclusion. Pure speculation. Unsaved Jews do not bother reading the New Testament.

They will be directed to during their time of trouble. The Jews will turn back to the Lord through the preaching of the 2 witnesses and the 144,000 evangelists. James will be a huge book for them.

James 5
7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. An important Jewish prophecy concerning the early and latter rain.
8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. Literally, the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.
9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door. Standing ready as Judge of the earth.
10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy. Job is a type of Jew in the tribulation who loses everything, yet is blessed in the end for not turning on the Lord. 42 chapters mimics the 42 months of tribulation.
12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. Shall save the sick by praying over him...miracles and signs return for the Jew.
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months. Elijah is a key player before the coming of the Lord. Again, 42 months or 3.5 years.
18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.
19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

 

[Nehemiah6]

10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.

Did you notice "MY BRETHREN"? Do Christians call unbelievers "my brethren"? You have cooked up a fanciful interpretation.

 

[Komentaja]

Yes, the letter is addressed to the twelve tribes- and like every other epistle, the wisdom it contains is for the entire church.

False. Gross error.

It says men came from James- not that James sent them to spy.

No, it is not a "key transitional inflection point". All they did was confirm what they already knew to be true- the Judaizers were false brethren with false teaching.

He is writing to people who already believe. James is watering, not planting.

And James didn't say they had to be circumcised or keep the law of Moses to be saved in his epistle either... what a coincidence!

False. Different terminology, same message.

The "transition period" was during Jesus' earthly ministry, and the temple became insufficient from the moment John the Baptist began preaching. The transition was complete when the Holy Ghost was given at Pentecost. When the New came the first was made obselete, and in 70 it "disappeared".

The existence of a temple in Jerusalem was and is irrelevant to both the effectiveness of the new covenant, and the obsolescence of the old.

The mystery was revealed the second Peter saw that gentiles receiving the Holy Ghost. Paul didn't mean "NOW" as in, "this very second", he's just saying that as opposed to people in ages past, it's being revealed to them in that generation.

What was unknown (the mystery) is that the one body would be done through the Gospel. That God would raise the tabernacle of David was known because it was in the scripture. JAMES is the one to point that out.

False. James' epistle is foundational church doctrine that comes from Jesus Christ the cornerstone. To reject James' epistle is to reject Christ.

Smoked em! Dispensationalism is a very dangerous false teaching leading to lawlessness and has destroyed the american church with its Burger King theology

 

[John146]

Did you notice "MY BRETHREN"? Do Christians call unbelievers "my brethren"? You have cooked up a fanciful interpretation.

The Jews were James’ brethren according to the flesh. Paul often called unsaved Jews his brethren. Next…

 

[John146]

Smoked em! Dispensationalism is a very dangerous false teaching leading to lawlessness and has destroyed the american church with its Burger King theology

I bet you’re a dispensationalist and don’t even know it. Do you believe all of Gods directions in the Bible are directed to you? Is what God gave Adam the same directions that he gave Noah? Did directions change to Abraham? Moses under the law? Shall I go on…

 

[Komentaja]

I bet you’re a dispensationalist and don’t even know it. Do you believe all of Gods directions in the Bible are directed to you? Is what God gave Adam the same directions that he gave Noah? Did directions change to Abraham? Moses under the law? Shall I go on…

Obviously.

But this no-water baptism having hyper-dispie stuff is just unbiblical. Romans thru Philemon they say, yet they ignore those books as well or twist the meaning lol

 

[John146]

Obviously.

But this no-water baptism having hyper-dispie stuff is just unbiblical. Romans thru Philemon they say, yet they ignore those books as well or twist the meaning lol

The book of Acts is a transition book, not to be used as a doctrinal book because things are changing throughout as God moves away from the Jew to the Gentile, from Peter to Paul, from Jerusalem to Antioch.

 

[FollowingtheWay]

The book of Acts is a transition book, not to be used as a doctrinal book because things are changing throughout as God moves away from the Jew to the Gentile, from Peter to Paul, from Jerusalem to Antioch.

and where does the Bible say …. Use the other books as doctrine …. Except the book of Acts(acts is transitional …. I haven’t read that yet in scripture have you? Our present age is the same age as the book of Acts. The church is still being built . Our work is not done yet.

 

[Cameron143]

The book of Acts is a transition book, not to be used as a doctrinal book because things are changing throughout as God moves away from the Jew to the Gentile, from Peter to Paul, from Jerusalem to Antioch.

Transitional, yes. Undoctrinal, no. 2 Timothy 3:16.

 

[Komentaja]

The book of Acts is a transition book, not to be used as a doctrinal book because things are changing throughout as God moves away from the Jew to the Gentile, from Peter to Paul, from Jerusalem to Antioch.

Water baptism is in Romans to Philemon thouggh so whatever it is in the book of Acts matters not

Holiness and it being required for the Christian is also in the romans thru philemon
Remaining steadfast in the faith is required and is also in the epistles of Paul

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

where does the Bible say …. Use the other books as doctrine …. Except the book of Acts(acts is transitional …. I haven’t read that yet in scripture have you? Our present age is the same age as the book of Acts.

And Neither have I read in The Bible to "use Acts as a book of doctrine" = Confusion:

1) Which "receiving Of The Holy Spirit"?

a) After water baptism (Acts 2:38), or?​

b) Before ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ (Acts 10:44-48)??, Or:​

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c) After "laying on of hands" (Acts 19:1-6)???​

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Please make up our minds?

Amen.

 

[John146]

and where does the Bible say …. Use the other books as doctrine …. Except the book of Acts(acts is transitional …. I haven’t read that yet in scripture have you? Our present age is the same age as the book of Acts. The church is still being built . Our work is not done yet.

There was a transition taking place from under the law, before the cross, and under grace, after the cross. See Acts 15 and Galatians. Paul would settle the dispute, especially for the Gentiles.

 

[John146]

Transitional, yes. Undoctrinal, no. 2 Timothy 3:16.

All is doctrine, but not all is doctrinal for the body of Christ.

 

[John146]

Water baptism is in Romans to Philemon thouggh so whatever it is in the book of Acts matters not

Holiness and it being required for the Christian is also in the romans thru philemon
Remaining steadfast in the faith is required and is also in the epistles of Paul

Then none of us have any hope. My righteousness is through Jesus Christ. Because Jesus was righteous, I am righteous because I am in him.

 

[Cameron143]

There was a transition taking place from under the law, before the cross, and under grace, after the cross. See Acts 15 and Galatians. Paul would settle the dispute, especially for the Gentiles.

The error here is that it has always been grace. The law was given to show the offense and man's inability to live by it. This should have caused them to look for another way...the only WAY.
Instead, they did as many do today...try to relate to God on the basis of the law and not grace.

 

[FollowingtheWay]

And Neither have I read in The Bible to "use Acts as a book of doctrine" = Confusion:

1) Which "receiving Of The Holy Spirit"?

a) After water baptism (Acts 2:38), or?​

b) Before ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ (Acts 10:44-48)??, Or:​

​

c) After "laying on of hands" (Acts 19:1-6)???​

​

Please make up our minds?

Amen.

I think , and this is just me where I’m at today in my walk. The book of Acts cannot be a stand alone book to base an entire doctrine off of. Same with any other book in the Bible. They were individual books, yes but were brought together by Holy Spirit to tell us a story. we must never disconnect them from the entire overall story God telling through them. I believe, through our God given wisdom and discernment we harmonize scripture with scripture and will find agreement with other scripture and in the commonality we create doctrine . We cannot create a doctrine where the word of God would be divided against itself. What scripture from other books agree with this part of Acts or what part of Acts are in agreement with scriptures in other books of the New Testament we read? Where we find agreement and commonality we build doctrine where there is differences we release that to God and say this is our God who can do What he wants, when he wants as a God who’s existence Is outside time, space. Who can see beginning to end. That’s how I see it.

 

[John146]

The error here is that it has always been grace. The law was given to show the offense and man's inability to live by it. This should have caused them to look for another way...the only WAY.
Instead, they did as many do today...try to relate to God on the basis of the law and not grace.

Grace in what? Works of righteousness? If a Jew under the law did not obey the law, he died in his sin. If a Jew under the law obeyed the law, he lived.

Ezekiel 18
20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.