Ukraine the bad guy?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
ZNP

ZNP

Well-known member
#2,281
Sep 14, 2020
36,668
6,726
113
#2,281
This information on Ukraine being the center for child trafficking goes back to 2014. However, many have evacuated during the war to Russia and because of this Putin has been charged with war crimes. But understand what is going on, the rich, the wealthy, the elites all over the world pay for this child trafficking, it is part of Moloch and Baal worship, it is part of pedophile and sex trafficking rings, and it is part of organ harvesting. I think we want to carefully investigate this rather than just make Putin the scape goat.
 
ZNP

ZNP

Well-known member
#2,282
Sep 14, 2020
36,668
6,726
113
#2,282
A few weeks ago the Donbas region was shelled, Blinken and the Ukrainians blamed Russia, Prosobiec said it came from Ukraine, they shelled their own school. He was put on a hit list from Ukraine, but even the NY Times has come out and confirmed that it was Ukraine that shelled the school. Why would you shell your own schools? Are you trying to kill witnesses of your crimes? Are you trying to send a message to keep quiet? So many questions.
 
B

BrianMeir

Member
#2,284
Sep 19, 2023
127
18
18
#2,284
You wanna think about something weird? Christians believe homosexuality is a sin. America stands against Christianity by legally considering homosexuals a "protected class." Russia, on the other hand, outlaws homosexuality on the basis of it being immoral. Putin himself uses the "immorality" of America as a talking point in his speeches. Are Russians fighting against the West because the West is persecuting those in eastern Europe with Christian values? Does that make Russia righteous in the eyes of some Russians who believe in Christian values? Are there any of these Russians who believe in siding with Russia and against the immoral West in this conflict? Furthermore, if we are their brothers in Christ, and they are fighting against Western immorality, then whom should we support? I bet that out of all the millions of people in Russia, that there are definitely a few at least who feel this way. Shouldn't we support them? But then what does that do to our relationships at home? Are we antiChristian if we are antiAmerican?

Granted, I am only really asking these questions for the sake of argument, because Putin's government is pretty objectively evil, and I don't believe in outlawing homosexuality. But the Bible does call it a sin, so there is a difference between what I tolerate and what I approve. Naturally I expect everyone to be reasonable like me, as I consider my approach the most naturally reasonable. But truthfully I am only calling myself resonable tongue-in-cheek, because personal opinion alone isn't sufficient to establish what is natural and reasonable. Personally I think it is fair and balanced to tolerate someone without approving of them, but what if your child tells you they are gay, and you are a pastor? How far do you go to support them? It's not easy.

The point I am trying to make by creating this post is that sometimes we share common morals with our natural enemies moreso than with our own natural allies. It can become very difficult or impossible to justify taking up arms in this case. And the other point I am trying to make is that God's morals are difficult to humanly enforce, and maybe it.is wrong to do so. Theocracies haven't worked very well in the last 2000 years. But still I think a lot of us American Christians worry about supporting our country when so much of its legal policy is immoral.
 
cv5

cv5

Well-known member
#2,285
Nov 20, 2018
23,004
8,373
113
#2,285
BrianMeir said:
This video is private and hence unviewable.
Click to expand...
Indeed. There were a SLEW of the same kind of damning video evidences.
All disappeared. Intentionally scrubbed obviously.
And yes.....he ADMITTED on one of them that he takes the stuff and loves the stuff.
 
ZNP

ZNP

Well-known member
#2,288
Sep 14, 2020
36,668
6,726
113
#2,288
ZNP said:
A few weeks ago the Donbas region was shelled, Blinken and the Ukrainians blamed Russia, Prosobiec said it came from Ukraine, they shelled their own school. He was put on a hit list from Ukraine, but even the NY Times has come out and confirmed that it was Ukraine that shelled the school. Why would you shell your own schools? Are you trying to kill witnesses of your crimes? Are you trying to send a message to keep quiet? So many questions.
Click to expand...
Hey Twilightzone man, if you think this is funny, you'll love it when you get put on a hit list.
 
ZNP

ZNP

Well-known member
#2,289
Sep 14, 2020
36,668
6,726
113
#2,289
ZNP said:
This information on Ukraine being the center for child trafficking goes back to 2014. However, many have evacuated during the war to Russia and because of this Putin has been charged with war crimes. But understand what is going on, the rich, the wealthy, the elites all over the world pay for this child trafficking, it is part of Moloch and Baal worship, it is part of pedophile and sex trafficking rings, and it is part of organ harvesting. I think we want to carefully investigate this rather than just make Putin the scape goat.
Click to expand...
What kind of a sick person would think pedophilia, kidnapping, organ harvesting and torture is funny? Nighttwister, you are twisted.
 
NightTwister

NightTwister

Well-known member
#2,291
Jul 5, 2023
2,098
790
113
65
Colorado, USA
#2,291
BrianMeir said:
You wanna think about something weird? Christians believe homosexuality is a sin. America stands against Christianity by legally considering homosexuals a "protected class." Russia, on the other hand, outlaws homosexuality on the basis of it being immoral. Putin himself uses the "immorality" of America as a talking point in his speeches. Are Russians fighting against the West because the West is persecuting those in eastern Europe with Christian values? Does that make Russia righteous in the eyes of some Russians who believe in Christian values? Are there any of these Russians who believe in siding with Russia and against the immoral West in this conflict? Furthermore, if we are their brothers in Christ, and they are fighting against Western immorality, then whom should we support? I bet that out of all the millions of people in Russia, that there are definitely a few at least who feel this way. Shouldn't we support them? But then what does that do to our relationships at home? Are we antiChristian if we are antiAmerican?

Granted, I am only really asking these questions for the sake of argument, because Putin's government is pretty objectively evil, and I don't believe in outlawing homosexuality. But the Bible does call it a sin, so there is a difference between what I tolerate and what I approve. Naturally I expect everyone to be reasonable like me, as I consider my approach the most naturally reasonable. But truthfully I am only calling myself resonable tongue-in-cheek, because personal opinion alone isn't sufficient to establish what is natural and reasonable. Personally I think it is fair and balanced to tolerate someone without approving of them, but what if your child tells you they are gay, and you are a pastor? How far do you go to support them? It's not easy.

The point I am trying to make by creating this post is that sometimes we share common morals with our natural enemies moreso than with our own natural allies. It can become very difficult or impossible to justify taking up arms in this case. And the other point I am trying to make is that God's morals are difficult to humanly enforce, and maybe it.is wrong to do so. Theocracies haven't worked very well in the last 2000 years. But still I think a lot of us American Christians worry about supporting our country when so much of its legal policy is immoral.
Click to expand...
Iran is also opposed to homosexuality, and they throw offenders off of rooftops to their death. Does this mean we should ignore all of their atrocities committed against their own citizens and others?
 
ZNP

ZNP

Well-known member
#2,295
Sep 14, 2020
36,668
6,726
113
#2,295
Don't Worry

I know some are worried that the US government shutdown will cause thousands of Ukrainian government workers to not get paid, do not worry, we have already sent the money to Ukraine in advance.
 
cv5

cv5

Well-known member
#2,296
Nov 20, 2018
23,004
8,373
113
#2,296
ZNP said:
Don't Worry

I know some are worried that the US government shutdown will cause thousands of Ukrainian government workers to not get paid, do not worry, we have already sent the money to Ukraine in advance.
Click to expand...
Hey I just thought of a viable solution for those American gov't employees getting burned because of the shutdown:
Just hop on a flight to Ukraine and collect. Tons of freedom bucks flowing in that neck of the woods.
 
G

gb9

Senior Member
#2,297
Jan 18, 2011
12,318
6,689
113
#2,297
so, where has the anti-putin , pro ukraine guy been??

would love to hear his take on his hero zalinshy on hiring sprit cooker marina abramovic as a ambassador...
 
JohnDB

JohnDB

Well-known member
#2,298
Jan 16, 2021
6,214
2,522
113
#2,298
Reality of Ukraine is: Shattered economy that wasn't great to begin with, lots of friends, family, relatives serving in a brutal high casualty war against an aggressor 4x it's size and more equipment, hometowns gone, millions displaced, kids killed, raped, or thousands kidnapped, POWs castrated, beheaded, and tortured, daily air alarms, daily attacks on civilians and humanitarian workers, soon in the winter they will attack energy infrastructure so civilians will be as cold as possible, culture and historic buildings razed, curfews and martial law. Im the last foreigner to over exaggerate anything for support or donations. I will never cry in front of a camera for "effect." All I'm saying is, if there's a video or picture of a dead russian and it seems brutal -- don't tell Ukranians how to react to it. It's easy to tell them, when your reality isn't attempted genocide by the 2nd most powerful army in the world.
 
ZNP

ZNP

Well-known member
#2,300
Sep 14, 2020
36,668
6,726
113
#2,300
cv5 said:
Give peace a chance indeed. Unfortunately, Zelenskyy doesn't want to play ball. So we will have to take away the nose candy allowance.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1705270721427939495
Click to expand...
I am not against them passing a CR, but I believe it should be 28% cut in funding. You should have the CR be the default balanced budget if they cannot do their job. This way you can now vote on significant cuts in various departments because they can say "it was better than the CR". Also they vote for the CR because it is better than shutting down the government.

What is ironic is that shutting down the government is the same as a 28% cut in the CR, the politicians know it, the pundits know it, the news media know it but they will blame the politicians for shutting down the government. This exposes the lie.

To me it should be a law, all CR's should be balanced budget.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.