Tell me if I have this right about your idea of what happens in heaven

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CS1 said:
He doesn't want to here that. It's all about his wanting to do what he wants to do. And even make the word of God say he can.
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I agree... but I'm also, somewhat sympathetic with John on these issues.
I grew up in, roughly, the same era as John, and freedom in sexuality was a very prevalent message.
I was out in the world, so to speak... and sexual freedom was just a simple (false) fact of the times.
It's therefore the zeitgeist that my flesh turns to but must be fought against.

John, isn't ready to it seems.
 
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The Law of Moses (Lev 19:29) forbade prostitution, and those found guilty could be killed by crushing them with stones (Deut 22:21). A priest's daughter who became a prostitute was to be burned to death (Lev 21:9)....and again...Judah was not punished.
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Smoke and mirrors John...

Sex outside of marriage is sin.
 
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Ted01 said:
I agree... but I'm also, somewhat sympathetic with John on these issues.
I grew up in, roughly, the same era as John, and freedom in sexuality was a very prevalent message.
I was out in the world, so to speak... and sexual freedom was just a simple (false) fact of the times.
It's therefore the zeitgeist that my flesh turns to but must be fought against.

John, isn't ready to it seems.
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I am here to try and stop people from misquoting and misapplying scripture.
 
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Smoke and mirrors John...

Sex outside of marriage is sin.
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"“Suppose a man has intercourse with a young woman who is a virgin but is not engaged to be married. If they are discovered, he must pay her father fifty pieces of silver. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he may never divorce her as long as he lives. Deuteronomy 22:28 ...show me the punishment for any sin.
 
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I am here to try and stop people from misquoting and misapplying scripture.
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No, you're not John... you use that as a guise to rail against your not being able to find a wife and still wanting to have sex.

While your points might be salient, your frustration is as concealed as the proverbial elephant in the room.
It's all about your desire to have sex whenever you please... and that the Scriptures forbid it.
 
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JohnB said:
"“Suppose a man has intercourse with a young woman who is a virgin but is not engaged to be married. If they are discovered, he must pay her father fifty pieces of silver. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he may never divorce her as long as he lives. Deuteronomy 22:28 ...show me the punishment for any sin.
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Suppose that you stick with the issue... sex outside of marriage is forbidden in Scripture?
 
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JohnB said:
"nowhere in that Scroll is Heaven mentioned in relationship to human pleasure. ".....so in heaven everyone becomes a eunuch?
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Don’t you get it? We don’t have flesh bodies in heaven. There is no gender in a spiritual body. Understand?
 
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Ted01 said:
Suppose that you stick with the issue... sex outside of marriage is forbidden in Scripture?
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If the church had done its job, it would tell singles, "If you want to have sex, get married" None of them do.
 
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MsMediator said:
Jesus already said everyone will be angels in heaven, and not married.

Also, sex will introduce new complications which Adam and Eve did not have to worry about. There will be lots of people in Heaven, and if people feel lust and passion, they may feel it towards others lets say if the spouse is away for awhile. We will be brothers and sisters in Christ...there will be no rules like you can't eat/travel with another man/woman, etc.
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That isn't exactly what it says. In Mathew and Mark they say
Mat 22:30
"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."
Mark 12:25
"For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven."

It also never says we will be in "Heaven" to be honest, but it seems to suggest that we will have no need for marriage after the resurrection, after we rise from the dead, just like the angels in heaven. We will no longer be worried about sex in the presents of our Lord I think.

I would like to know all the scripture that places us, as human beings, in heaven. I can't think of any and honestly didn't think Heaven was a place we'd ever go. I do not know this and I'm going to look into it now that I've thought about it, I can't think of any scripture that says we will go there, except one that just dawned on me, when Jesus said He was going to build a mansion where we will dwell with Him. I really want to research now! Sorry for the "live in motion" style of this comment, but may main point was we are not going to be angels ever, and these verses say we'd be "as" the angels in heaven. Not we'd be angels.
 
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JohnB said:
If the church had done its job, it would tell singles, "If you want to have sex, get married" None of them do.
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And so, what is your advice to John about sex outside of marriage?

John, you are always harping on about the wrongs that others do... what about you dealing with you?

John 21:21-22 (ESV)
21 When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus, “Lord, what about this man?” 22 Jesus said to him, “If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow me!”

So what is it to you John what others do? What are you going to do?
 
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Ted01 said:
And so, what is your advice to John about sex outside of marriage?

John, you are always harping on about the wrongs that others do... what about you dealing with you?

John 21:21-22 (ESV)
21 When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus, “Lord, what about this man?” 22 Jesus said to him, “If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow me!”

So what is it to you John what others do? What are you going to do?
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If you want to have sex, get married. GOD made marriage for sex.
 
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Jimbone said:
That isn't exactly what it says. In Mathew and Mark they say
Mat 22:30
"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."
Mark 12:25
"For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven."

It also never says we will be in "Heaven" to be honest, but it seems to suggest that we will have no need for marriage after the resurrection, after we rise from the dead, just like the angels in heaven. We will no longer be worried about sex in the presents of our Lord I think.

I would like to know all the scripture that places us, as human beings, in heaven. I can't think of any and honestly didn't think Heaven was a place we'd ever go. I do not know this and I'm going to look into it now that I've thought about it, I can't think of any scripture that says we will go there, except one that just dawned on me, when Jesus said He was going to build a mansion where we will dwell with Him. I really want to research now! Sorry for the "live in motion" style of this comment, but may main point was we are not going to be angels ever, and these verses say we'd be "as" the angels in heaven. Not we'd be angels.
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Just because there is no marriage in heaven, does not mean there is no sex.
 
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selahsays said:
Don’t you get it? We don’t have flesh bodies in heaven. There is no gender in a spiritual body. Understand?
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:Jesus replied, “Your mistake is that you don’t know the Scriptures, and you don’t know the power of God. For when the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage. In this respect they will be like the angels in heaven. Matthew 22-29

Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.” Luke 24:39
 
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LOL, John B. isn't gonna get married. He doesn't even want to get married. He just wants to air his grievances to anyone who will listen.
 
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