Faith

[Magenta]

Faith is part of freewill. It is the operation within us by which we are saved. It is our choice to believe. It is part of being human.

Faith is a gift within which we can choose to operate, or reject on the basis of our rebellion against
God, which leaves us with no excuse, for everyone knows there is a God, even if they do not know
Him personally. Still, the natural man rejects the things of God. Our hearts need to be circumcised.

 

[rogerg]

Faith is part of freewill. It is the operation within us by which we are saved. It is our choice to believe. It is part of being human.

Disagree. The unsaved are dead in sin and can have no freewill. We first have to be made alive by God but that can only happen
from/by becoming saved. To be "quickened" means to be given spiritual life. Notice all of our sins are forgiven (Col 2:13 below) which brought spiritual life.

[Eph 2:1 KJV]
1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;
[Col 2:13 KJV]
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

 

[evyaniy]

Since you appear to be a Greek student, can you please help with John 10:18.

No man taketh it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take(or receive?) it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Should the word "take" have been translated to receive? Some other more modern translations have rendered it receive. Can you please help with your understanding of the word. Thanks

In many of the miracles He performed He marveled at their faith and said their faith made them well. It is a person's faith that allows for their Salvation through Faith in Him and His ability to save them through His sacrifice. Faith is our part. Believing what YAH said concerning His Son is how we are saved. Many verses tell us this.

 

[evyaniy]

Disagree. The unsaved are dead in sin and can have no freewill. We first have to be made alive by God but that can only happen
from/by becoming saved. To be "quickened" means to be given spiritual life. Notice all of our sins are forgiven (Col 2:13 below) which brought spiritual life.

[Eph 2:1 KJV]
1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;
[Col 2:13 KJV]
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

don't have much interest in the Calvinist debate. After all, He didn't even recognize Psalm 119 as the Son's prayer for life. Besides the whole debate is pretty much a quagmire of academic arguing without much to gain. But everyone is welcome to their understanding.

 

[rogerg]

Since you appear to be a Greek student, can you please help with John 10:18.

No man taketh it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take(or receive?) it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Should the word "take" have been translated to receive? Some other more modern translations have rendered it receive. Can you please help with your understanding of the word. Thanks

To be honest, I am not a student of Greek. I simply looked up the definition of the word which also gives it case.
Looking at it logically, if that has any merit, since Christ tells us that He has the power to do both, I would think that it
means to take. What do you think?

 

[evyaniy]

To be honest, I am not a student of Greek. I simply looked up the definition of the word which also gives it case.
Looking at it logically, if that has any merit, since Christ tells us that He has the power to do both, I would think that it
means to take. What do you think?

They could have gone with take or receive and they chose the wrong word. It should have been receive. Look at the translation counts for the word.

The KJV translates Strong's G2983 in the following manner: receive (133x), take (106x), have (3x), caught (3x), not translated (1x), miscellaneous (17x).

Thanks for looking at it.

 

[rogerg]

In many of the miracles He performed He marveled at their faith and said their faith made them well. It is a person's faith that allows for their Salvation through Faith in Him and His ability to save them through His sacrifice. Faith is our part. Believing what YAH said concerning His Son is how we are saved. Many verses tell us this.

If I understand your question correctly, the "faith in Him" does not mean faith towards Him. Instead, I think that it means
the faith that exists/resides within Him - that is, His faith. If you provide me the verse, I can check further.
Christ's faith is reckoned to those saved so in God's eyes it becomes as if it is their faith with all of the attendant attributes of His faith - righteousness, works, belief.
Look at it this way, if faith were ours to accomplish, then doing so would make us our own saviour. However, the Bible
makes abundantly clear that Christ alone is the Saviour. Observe:

[2Pe 3:18 KJV] 18 But grow in grace, and [in] the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him [be] glory both now and for ever. Amen.

 

[rogerg]

They could have gone with take or receive and they chose the wrong word. It should have been receive. Look at the translation counts for the word.

The KJV translates Strong's G2983 in the following manner: receive (133x), take (106x), have (3x), caught (3x), not translated (1x), miscellaneous (17x).

Thanks for looking at it.

Sure, sorry I couldn't be more helpful.

 

[rogerg]

don't have much interest in the Calvinist debate. After all, He didn't even recognize Psalm 119 as the Son's prayer for life. Besides the whole debate is pretty much a quagmire of academic arguing without much to gain. But everyone is welcome to their understanding.

As far as I know, I've only quoted the Bible, did I not? Of course, further discussion is up to you.

 

[evyaniy]

If I understand your question correctly, the "faith in Him" does not mean faith towards Him. Instead, I think that it means
the faith that exists/resides within Him - that is, His faith. If you provide me the verse, I can check further.
Christ's faith is reckoned to those saved so in God's eyes it becomes as if it is their faith with all of the attendant attributes of His faith - righteousness, works, belief.
Look at it this way, if faith were ours to accomplish, then doing so would make us our own saviour. However, the Bible
makes abundantly clear that Christ alone is the Saviour. Observe:

[2Pe 3:18 KJV] 18 But grow in grace, and [in] the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him [be] glory both now and for ever. Amen.

How about this one.

For EL(Theos, Elohim, YAH, God) so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[evyaniy]

As far as I know, I've only quoted the Bible, did I not? Of course, further discussion is up to you.

Yea. not going there. It is fairly fruitless and academic in my view. Plus there is rarely any agreement possible. Leaving that one up to time will tell.

 

[rogerg]

How about this one.

For EL(Theos, Elohim, YAH, God) so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Belief is a product of faith - Christ's faith. Those who truly "believeth" do so from/because of Christ's faith. In truly believing, they demonstrate that they have been reckoned Christ's faith and His righteousness, therefore, they will never perish.

 

[Magenta]

ayes i think sometimes I made the right choice was able to still work for years , I try not to complain because I know others have a lot more trial happening than I I suppose we each have our own little deals to overcome and endure till perfection comes !!

i think I can open other window tabs , my niece came by the other day and was saying something about window tabs and me not closing them lol i felt like a dog trying to understand a human explain math 😀

any neohew is supposed to come visit in December possibly November he’s sort of my “ tech “ guy lol he actually bought this tablet for me a couple years ago and when he’s here he always explains alot to me about questions I have I have about five written down I’m gonna ask him about voice texting that sounds like my solution if it’s what I’m thinking it is

a I really appreciate mentioning that I had no clue lol

You are welcome. One member here is using the same type of app to go the other direction, that is, speech to text, and he puts up his poems onto a video he creates with images and the text showing as it is being read by a voice he chooses out of a list of many that you can also adjust the speed and pitch of, etc. I would like to do that as well, but seems beyond my ability to comprehend how to sign up without having to give a credit card number even when it is called "free." LOL. And there are also some who have much trouble seeing properly who use text to speech to read the posts here to them. So these apps and programs really are helpful in expanding what people can do, and assist in how they spend their time here.

Well, my sister is very much technologically challenged, and to some degree or another I suspect we all are (except perhaps those like @notmyown 's son-in-law); I see some members here in their threads discussing this or that program and/or operating system and the pros and cons of such things, but it is mostly all well beyond my comprehension. I do understand that people switch out their operating systems because Windows is prone to viruses and has many problems that can be left behind when using something else. I just wouldn't even trust myself to be able to properly install something like that... plus, photoshop would not work in it. I was told I could use another program similar to photoshop (called gimp), but in any consumer test comparing the two, photoshop always comes out on top. Plus it is the devil I know LOL.

I have been told I am a power hog (haha!!!) because I often have at least three and sometimes four browsers open at the same time, and multiple tabs open within each browser. For instance, I use Mozilla Firefox for here, and also for watching Netflix, but use Chrome and/or Edge to search for and download images, and fonts, or check other things. Edge seems to be the only one I can do image searches to see if any panel I have designed looks like something else on the web. A small icon appears at the upper right hand corner when I hover my cursor over any image, and when I click it, it shows me all similar content. Sometimes nothing comes up and that is great. Sometimes other panels I have designed come up, mixed in with other people's art projects that look similar. There is even a crop box so you can focus on a particular part of the image you are looking at. It will even tell you what any text on the image says, so it recognizes that I am making Scripture pieces. Then I also use the Avast browser to upload my images to the image host I use, so I can post them here with a url, which I then save in a document with all my other panel urls, so I can look for that url in the document if I want to post the same panel again later. I use all four browsers to research topics I am looking into, but mostly do that in this browser. I currently have 37 tabs open here, and a second Firefox window has 35 tabs open in it. Thirty six tabs are open in Edge (many are images [mostly faces] I need to decide whether or not I will save), 20 tabs in one window of Avast browser, seven tabs in a second window of Avast, and Google Chrome is currently closed.

Sometimes I will have so many tabs open in one or two browsers I have to dedicate myself just to
making time to go through what is there and make those decisions, do I save this image or not?
Do I need to read this page or not? Can I close this tab without regretting losing the info I came to see?
Other times maybe sound will not be working in one browser but is okay in another. I do eventually
try to figure out what the problem is (maybe it is a settings error) but in the meantime just going to a
different browser temporarily fixes the problem. I can close a browser and reopen it and it gives me the
option of restoring the previous session, and then will open all the tabs and windows I had open before.

When my sister says she has no idea what I am talking about when I ask her about tabs, and
windows open, I do understand why. She does not use her device the same way I do mine.

Do your niece and nephew live very close to you?

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

There is no such thing as blind faith in the bible.

BINGO!!! Faith comes by hearing God's WORD.

"Blind FAITH" isn't "Faith" at all. it's nothing more than "hope".

 

[evyaniy]

Belief is a product of faith - Christ's faith. Those who truly "believeth" do so from/because of Christ's faith. In truly believing, they demonstrate that they have been reckoned Christ's faith and His righteousness, therefore, they will never perish.

Well one thing is certain. If it was not for His faith we would have no one to believe in. But thankfully He did have faith in His Father's promise that He would be raised from the dead after offering His Life as a Sacrifice to save us.

It is through our Faith in Him that we take hold of the promise that if we believe in Him and what He did for us, His righteousness is imputed to us and we receive Eternal Life through Him.

Believing in Him for forgiveness of our sins, is a choice we make in ourselves. His faith is not reckoned to us. We take hold of His faith by believing in His resurrection which is the Gospel.

 

[Magenta]

One member here is using the same type of app to go the other direction, that is, speech to text,

Ugh. Ha, I meant to say he goes text to speech. I tried doing that a few weeks ago after he first posted some of his poems that way, and I spent a few hours one Saturday copying my poetry texts into the app after choosing a voice, and listened to them being read back to me. I had to spend extra time getting the punctuation right so the pauses were where I wanted them, and also changed the way I wrote out some words so they would be enunciated the way I wanted, but I got no further than that. @Pilgrimshope I certainly was stumped when it came to adding the speech file to a video I could create using imges.

 

[rogerg]

Well one thing is certain. If it was not for His faith we would have no one to believe in. But thankfully He did have faith in His Father's promise that He would be raised from the dead after offering His Life as a Sacrifice to save us.

It is through our Faith in Him that we take hold of the promise that if we believe in Him and what He did for us, His righteousness is imputed to us and we receive Eternal Life through Him.

Believing in Him for forgiveness of our sins, is a choice we make in ourselves. His faith is not reckoned to us. We take hold of His faith by believing in His resurrection which is central to the Gospel.

Think I've already covered that POV. In any event, consider this: that the Bible, from start to end, is built upon Christ alone as the Saviour in all ways and to the uttermost extent - man is not in any way. I would respectfully suggest that you ponder closely what that means.

 

[evyaniy]

1 John 5

9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of YAH greater; for this is YAH’s testimony which He has testified concerning His Son. 10 He who believes in the Son of YAH has the testimony in himself. He who doesn’t believe YAH has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that YAH has given concerning His Son. 11 The testimony is this: that YAH gave to us Eternal Life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has the life. He who doesn’t have YAH’s Son doesn’t have the life.
13 These things I have written to you who believe in the Name of the Son of YAH, that you may know that you have Eternal Life, and that you may continue to believe in the Name of the Son of YAH.

Believing is our part.

 

[rogerg]

1 John 5

9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of YAH greater; for this is YAH’s testimony which He has testified concerning His Son. 10 He who believes in the Son of YAH has the testimony in himself. He who doesn’t believe YAH has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that YAH has given concerning His Son. 11 The testimony is this: that YAH gave to us Eternal Life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has the life. He who doesn’t have YAH’s Son doesn’t have the life.
13 These things I have written to you who believe in the Name of the Son of YAH, that you may know that you have Eternal Life, and that you may continue to believe in the Name of the Son of YAH.

Believing is our part.

Disagree.

 

[evyaniy]

Disagree.

wow. don't know what to say then.