Is there a difference between being saved and salvation, and the new covenant?

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Dino246

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I am saved by the blood of Jesus. But the new covenant is for Israel. That is what it says in Jeremiah 31:33 (Yirmiyahu 31:32).
With respect, if you think the new covenant is exclusively for Israel, you are profoundly mistaken.

The new covenant is for all people. Yes, for Israel, and for Gentiles.
 

Dino246

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I don't know what you mean.
You asked me the following question:

"How can we know that it is for Gentiles, if we can know?" where "it" refers to the new covenant.

The answer to your question is in the Scripture verses that others have already posted.
 
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You asked me the following question:

"How can we know that it is for Gentiles, if we can know?" where "it" refers to the new covenant.

The answer to your question is in the Scripture verses that others have already posted.
No. It is not. No one has even ventured to post anything from Paul's letters to the Corinthians, which is the only time Gentiles hear about the new covenant in the Bible. And I do not know what these verses are saying.
 

selahsays

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I see a difference between salvation in Jesus dying for me and the new covenant God made with Israel, since I am a Gentile.

Also, I wonder about what you are saying about the old covenant being temporary? Why do we or people say that or this, knowing that the covenant is spoken of as being eternal?
The old covenant consisted of keeping laws and periodic blood sacrifices. The new covenant is eternal in comparison because Jesus’ blood was shed once and for All people.

For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

- Hebrews 10:1-18 (KJV)
 

Dino246

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No. It is not. No one has even ventured to post anything from Paul's letters to the Corinthians, which is the only time Gentiles hear about the new covenant in the Bible. And I do not know what these verses are saying.
Okay... how much of the New Testament have you read? How long have you been a Christian (however you define that)? Do you attend a local church? Have you been through any sort of discipleship path, whether formal or informal?
 

Cameron143

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That is not allowing the text to speak for itself.
Incorrect. It is simply using language to give ease of communication and understanding. The same is true for translations. There is often no direct corollary from one language to another so a concept is used.
 
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The old covenant consisted of keeping laws and periodic blood sacrifices. The new covenant is eternal in comparison because Jesus’ blood was shed once and for All people.
I don't know that I know what the new covenant is. I believe that it is for Israel though. I am not Israel. I am a Gentile.

There was keeping laws, yes. What do you mean by periodic blood sacrifices? I know that there are specific sacrifices, but some are personal and some are regular and some are at specific times. Personal has to be with the help or by Levites though?
 
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Okay... how much of the New Testament have you read? How long have you been a Christian (however you define that)? Do you attend a local church? Have you been through any sort of discipleship path, whether formal or informal?
I have read the Bible. I do not call Matthew through Revelation the New Testament. The new covenant is for Israel. I remember Jesus brought the new covenant for Israel. I have been a Christian for about 38 years. I do not attend a local church. I do go to a synagogue. I don't know what you mean by a discipleship path. But I have been to Bible School.