Is there a difference between being saved and salvation, and the new covenant?

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Ephesians 2 HNV with Name edits

4 But EL, being rich in mercy, for His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Messiah—by grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with Him, and made us to sit with Him in the heavenly places in Messiah Yeshua, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Messiah Yeshua; 8 for by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of EL, 9 not of works, that no one would boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Messiah Yeshua for good works, which EL prepared before that we would walk in them.
11 Therefore remember that once you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “uncircumcision” by that which is called “circumcision” (in the flesh, made by hands), 12 that you were at that time separate from Messiah, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without EL in the world. 13 But now in Messiah Yeshua you who once were far off are made near in the blood of Messiah. 14 For He is our peace, Who made both one, and broke down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the hostility, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, that He might create in Himself one new man of the two, making peace, 16 and might reconcile them both in one body to EL through the cross, having killed the hostility through it. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the holy ones and of the household of EL, 20 being built on the foundation of the emissaries and prophets, Messiah Yeshua Himself being the Chief Cornerstone; 21 in Whom the whole building, fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Adonai; 22 in Whom you also are built together for a habitation of EL in the Spirit.
 

Cameron143

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Faith in God and Jesus.

Ephesians 2:8-9 NASB20 - For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this [is] not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Is anything other than faith necessary for salvation?
 
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Ephesians 2 HNV with Name edits

4 But EL, being rich in mercy, for His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Messiah—by grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with Him, and made us to sit with Him in the heavenly places in Messiah Yeshua, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Messiah Yeshua; 8 for by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of EL, 9 not of works, that no one would boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Messiah Yeshua for good works, which EL prepared before that we would walk in them.
11 Therefore remember that once you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “uncircumcision” by that which is called “circumcision” (in the flesh, made by hands), 12 that you were at that time separate from Messiah, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without EL in the world. 13 But now in Messiah Yeshua you who once were far off are made near in the blood of Messiah. 14 For He is our peace, Who made both one, and broke down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the hostility, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, that He might create in Himself one new man of the two, making peace, 16 and might reconcile them both in one body to EL through the cross, having killed the hostility through it. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the holy ones and of the household of EL, 20 being built on the foundation of the emissaries and prophets, Messiah Yeshua Himself being the Chief Cornerstone; 21 in Whom the whole building, fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Adonai; 22 in Whom you also are built together for a habitation of EL in the Spirit.
Would God be El or Elohei or Elohay? I know this is from the Greek.
 
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I don't know.

Romans 11:16-18 NASB20 - If the first piece [of dough] is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy, the branches are as well. But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, [remember that] it is not you who supports the root, but the root [supports] you.
 

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I believe He was talking to His disciples and didn't have communion in mind.
Interesting. I must ask though, how many other statements that Jesus made to His immediate followers do you think are irrelevant to us?
 
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Interesting. I must ask though, how many other statements that Jesus made to His immediate followers do you think are irrelevant to us?
I don't think that anything is irrelevant.

Matthew 15:24 NKJV - But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
 

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I don't think that anything is irrelevant.

Matthew 15:24 NKJV - But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
And then He told His followers to "go and make disciples of all nations" (Matthew 28:19).
 
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Based on Ephesians 2:8-9?
Yea…. I see what what you mean… think about it like a math equation.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

I am saved by Grace…but only if “faith” exist.
If I remove “faith” then “Grace” can’t come through faith. No faith, no grace.

James 1
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”

Without faith, grace is dead, and without works “faith” is dead.

Moreover, we are not judged by grace or faith.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

James 2
Yea, a man may say, “Thou hast faith, and I have works.” Show me thy faith apart from thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works.