do you like Spurgeon preaching?

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C. H. Spurgeon Audio Sermons

I thought it would be nice to listen to some sermons by Spurgeon. Has anyone else heard them yet? What do you think?

A Divided Heart by C. H. Spurgeon

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Description: Charles Spurgeon said in a 1859 sermon that the main fault with the Church was that it is not only divided “somewhat” in its creeds and ordinances, it is also “somewhat” divided in its heart. When Christians no longer can love each other unconditionally, when divisions in doctrine become so acid that we cannot cooperate, when we can no longer extend the hand of fellowship to those with whom we disagree, “then, indeed, is the Church of God found faulty.”
 
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I've heard a little of him. He's called a very good teacher. But there are lots of good ones around today too.
 
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No, but if it is God's word and sermon delivered to this man then it should be good. :)
 
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I have read articles by him and I really liked them! I'll check the audio sermons, thanks Ananda:)
 
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I like Charles Spurgeon.
 
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I really enjoy Spurgeon, as a very young christian I heard his sermon, Never, no never, no never. It was a fountian in the desert for me. :D
 
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Greetings AnandaHya, I appreciate you bringing attention to the preaching ministry of Charles Spurgeon. I've read 26 of his sermons thus far, and I've come to agree with many others that Spurgeon is indeed the "Prince of Preachers." I am blessed tremendously by his preaching because it is Christ-centered, impassioned, and I would even say somewhat poetic with how he beautifully uses the English language in his sermons (in some cases, he is almost "Shakespearean").

If you're interested AnandaHya, back in June I put together a brief YouTube video of some of my favourite Charles Spurgeon quotes, all of which deal specifically with Jesus and His cross. The link is below if you'd like to watch it, I hope it will bless you!

‪"Were You There When They Crucified My Lord"‬‏ - YouTube
 
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A couple Spurgeon quotes.

"And what is the heresy of Arminianism but the addition of something to the work of the Redeemer? Every heresy, if brought to the touchstone, will discover itself here. I have my own private opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else." Charles Haddon Spurgeon

"I do not serve the God of the Arminians at all; I have nothing to do with him, and I do not bow down before the Baal they have set up; he is not my God, nor shall he ever be; I fear him not, nor tremble at his presence." Charles Haddon Spurgeon
 
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trust_in_the_name said:
A couple Spurgeon quotes.

"And what is the heresy of Arminianism but the addition of something to the work of the Redeemer? Every heresy, if brought to the touchstone, will discover itself here. I have my own private opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else." Charles Haddon Spurgeon

"I do not serve the God of the Arminians at all; I have nothing to do with him, and I do not bow down before the Baal they have set up; he is not my God, nor shall he ever be; I fear him not, nor tremble at his presence." Charles Haddon Spurgeon
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What's the problem with Arminianism? I don't see any problem with it. I believe I would be an Arminian long before a Calvanist.
 
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What's the problem with Arminianism? I don't see any problem with it. I believe I would be an Arminian long before a Calvanist.
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4 For when one says, "I am of Paul," and another, "I am of Apollos," are you not carnal? (1 Corinthians 3:4)

Arminians contend that we have the free will to accept or reject Christ. The problem here is that we "did not choose [Him], but He chose us" (John 15:16) and "[t]here is none who seeks after God" (Romans 3:10). Speaking of believers, John writes,

13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:13)

So, Arminians say that believers are born of the will of man; scripture says that believers "[are] born ... not ... of the will of man." Speaking of salvation, Paul writes,

16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. (Romans 9:16)

Arminians say that God's mercy is of him who wills; scripture says that "it is not of him who wills."

Another problem with Arminianism is that it supposes that Christ's sheep can turn away and perish; however, scripture says "they shall never perish."

27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. (John 10:27-28)

All of this is not to say that Calvinism is therefore correct, since Reformed theology has its own problems, including but not limited to limited atonement, irresistable grace, and eternal security.
 
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trust_in_the_name said:
4 For when one says, "I am of Paul," and another, "I am of Apollos," are you not carnal? (1 Corinthians 3:4)

Arminians contend that we have the free will to accept or reject Christ. The problem here is that we "did not choose [Him], but He chose us" (John 15:16) and "[t]here is none who seeks after God" (Romans 3:10). Speaking of believers, John writes,

13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:13)

So, Arminians say that believers are born of the will of man; scripture says that believers "[are] born ... not ... of the will of man." Speaking of salvation, Paul writes,

16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. (Romans 9:16)

Arminians say that God's mercy is of him who wills; scripture says that "it is not of him who wills."

Another problem with Arminianism is that it supposes that Christ's sheep can turn away and perish; however, scripture says "they shall never perish."

27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. (John 10:27-28)

All of this is not to say that Calvinism is therefore correct, since Reformed theology has its own problems, including but not limited to limited atonement, irresistable grace, and eternal security.
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Not to mention Calvinists have no answer as to why there is pain and suffering in the world. Or as to why evil exists. Did a loving God plan all of the evil and suffering, or did the free will of His creatures choose this evil?

Why does one have to be an Arminian or a Calvinist? Are there no other choices? Is it possible for God to create humans, who He wanted to love Him of their own free will, and yet retain control over the universe? Is God giving up sovereignty if He chooses to allow us free will with limitations? Did not God submit to the limitations imposed by taking upon himself humanity? Limitations that included torture and pain on a cross, and even death? Is this not example enough of the lengths that God will go to because He loves us?

At some point, people must put aside their dogmatic notions about what God is capable of, or impose upon God their own notions of what they think an omnipotent God should be, and consider what the love of God is capable of.
 
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superdave5221 said:
Not to mention Calvinists have no answer as to why there is pain and suffering in the world. Or as to why evil exists. Did a loving God plan all of the evil and suffering, or did the free will of His creatures choose this evil?

Why does one have to be an Arminian or a Calvinist? Are there no other choices? Is it possible for God to create humans, who He wanted to love Him of their own free will, and yet retain control over the universe? Is God giving up sovereignty if He chooses to allow us free will with limitations? Did not God submit to the limitations imposed by taking upon himself humanity? Limitations that included torture and pain on a cross, and even death? Is this not example enough of the lengths that God will go to because He loves us?

At some point, people must put aside their dogmatic notions about what God is capable of, or impose upon God their own notions of what they think an omnipotent God should be, and consider what the love of God is capable of.
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For my part I'll just stick to what the Bible has to say about it and believe God (Romans 4:3) instead my own notions and considerations (Proverbs 3:5).
 
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trust_in_the_name said:
For my part I'll just stick to what the Bible has to say about it and believe God (Romans 4:3) instead my own notions and considerations (Proverbs 3:5).
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Good choice. Thats what I did. Keep doing what you are doing, and at some point you will arrive at the truth.
 
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trust_in_the_name said:
4 For when one says, "I am of Paul," and another, "I am of Apollos," are you not carnal? (1 Corinthians 3:4)

Arminians contend that we have the free will to accept or reject Christ. The problem here is that we "did not choose [Him], but He chose us" (John 15:16) and "[t]here is none who seeks after God" (Romans 3:10). Speaking of believers, John writes,

13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:13)

So, Arminians say that believers are born of the will of man; scripture says that believers "[are] born ... not ... of the will of man." Speaking of salvation, Paul writes,

16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. (Romans 9:16)

Arminians say that God's mercy is of him who wills; scripture says that "it is not of him who wills."

Another problem with Arminianism is that it supposes that Christ's sheep can turn away and perish; however, scripture says "they shall never perish."

27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. (John 10:27-28)

All of this is not to say that Calvinism is therefore correct, since Reformed theology has its own problems, including but not limited to limited atonement, irresistable grace, and eternal security.
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The Bible teaches men can fall from grace.

Jude 1:5 "I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6 And the angles which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

We cannot be taken away from God, but we can "leave" God like these angels did.

Hebrews 10:26" For is we sin willfully after that we have recieved the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."

The Scripture teaches we have a choice.

Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
Acts 2:21 "And it shall come to pass, whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved."
Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

God calls people to Him.

John 6:44 "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."
Matthew 22:14 "For many are called, but few are chosen."
 
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trust_in_the_name said:
4 For when one says, "I am of Paul," and another, "I am of Apollos," are you not carnal? (1 Corinthians 3:4)

Arminians contend that we have the free will to accept or reject Christ. The problem here is that we "did not choose [Him], but He chose us" (John 15:16) and "[t]here is none who seeks after God" (Romans 3:10). Speaking of believers, John writes,

13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:13)

So, Arminians say that believers are born of the will of man; scripture says that believers "[are] born ... not ... of the will of man." Speaking of salvation, Paul writes,

16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. (Romans 9:16)

Arminians say that God's mercy is of him who wills; scripture says that "it is not of him who wills."

Another problem with Arminianism is that it supposes that Christ's sheep can turn away and perish; however, scripture says "they shall never perish."

27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. (John 10:27-28)

All of this is not to say that Calvinism is therefore correct, since Reformed theology has its own problems, including but not limited to limited atonement, irresistable grace, and eternal security.
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I would like to hear your grievances with the rest of reformed theology since you seem to understand free will like you do.
 
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jonathanbchristian said:
The Bible teaches men can fall from grace.

Jude 1:5 "I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6 And the angles which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

We cannot be taken away from God, but we can "leave" God like these angels did.

Hebrews 10:26" For is we sin willfully after that we have recieved the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."

The Scripture teaches we have a choice.

Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
Acts 2:21 "And it shall come to pass, whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved."
Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

God calls people to Him.

John 6:44 "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."
Matthew 22:14 "For many are called, but few are chosen."
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All of the above looks to be correct so I would tend to agree, but the problems with Arminianism that I pointed out still stand.

Although we certainly can turn away from God, there are those who can never perish (Christ's sheep), and these will never turn away. That's not to say that we know who they are, since the only way to know is to "endure to the end" (Matthew 10:22; Matthew 24:13; Mark 13:13).

13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. (Matthew 24:13)
 
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DinoDillinger said:
I would like to hear your grievances with the rest of reformed theology since you seem to understand free will like you do.
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I can of course go into detail and provide biblical proof but to put it in a nutshell, Christ died for everyone (2 Peter 2:1) (re: unlimited atonement), it is possible to fall from grace (Galatians 5:4) (re: irresistible grace), and there are those who believe but later fall away (Luke 8:13) (re: perseverance of the saints).

I also would not deny that we have a will and are able to make our own choices, but it's also true that these and all other things come from God (Romans 11:36).
 
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