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what do you know of the contemplative prayer movement?
Contemplative prayer begins with “centering prayer,” a meditative practice where the practitioner focuses on a word and repeats that word over and over for the duration of the exercise. The purpose is to clear one’s mind of outside concerns so that God’s voice may be more easily heard. After the centering prayer, the practitioner is to sit still, listen for direct guidance from God, and feel His presence.

are you are part of the IHOP movement?
No, but I do agree with their teachings

Do you know people who are apart of the "Call"?
Not personally, but i know about it, and it is a great effort to stop abortion

Do you think all homosexuals should be killled?
How absurd, no true believer would believe such a thin

why is this thread the only "me" thread still going?
People must be interested on what i have to say on different subjects. you seem to have a host of questions.

why do you take questions from other threads and answer them here?
If they are questions directed at me, here is where they belong
Do you really know what the messianic jew movement is?
Yes I do
It is more then just jews coming to know their Messiah.
I truly hope you do not have anything bad to say about Messianics.

What are your thought on the Zionist movement?
I think Zionist are the opposite extreme to replacement theology. I think there needs to be a middle ground, which is what scripture teaches. God is the God of Israel, and of the nations.

nevermind i forgot you think I'm a satanic spawn...bye.
I wouldnt call you satan's spawn but you are falling into her trap. I pray God will wake you up before you go too far.
 

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4runner[/B];514979]Well since you have never met or even heard of anyone I would even think about considering a mentor that would be hard for you to do wouldnt


Lou Engle is an awesome man of God, and is not a dominionist.

Furthermore I would rather link up with dominionist (although I am not in agreement with them) than you or anyone similar to you.

I know you are not saved, I know you by your fruit, and it is past corrupt, it is straight evil.
Revisionism and The Blueprint Prophecy : IHOP, Freemasons, Mormons and Shiloh

Beyond grace has just posted a very good article on the similarities between IHOP and Mormonism and Freemasonry. He rightly questions why Mike Bickle will not give full disclosure on his “blueprint prophecy”.

“Imagine, if you will, a leader of a religious group or secret society who based his entire movement on a foundational document – but yet would not share the contents of that document. Sacred writings, which were delivered to him by an unidentified mystery prophet. A blueprint which was confirmed to him by a “supernatural encounter which included an angel and a demon.” Writings which were confirmed by yet another prophet, one who later was discovered to have had women stand in front of him naked while he “prophesied” over them.

Mormonism? Freemasons? No, this movement is known as the “24/7 Prayer Movement” whose adherents are called “Forerunners. [4runners]” They are best known as the “International House of Prayer” (IHOP) and the leader is Mike Bickle.”
Continue here

What is going on with IHOP is nothing new. There have been many groups in the past that lived communily, segragated from society and followed a gifted prophet. John Alexander Dowie’s City of Zion and Frank Sanford’s Shiloh come immediately to mind. Another mark of many cults and cultic groups is having their own special twist on eschatology and telling their followers that they are the special elite ones.

Mike Bickle preaches that the IHOP ”forerunners” (ie: Elijah and John the Baptist who prepared the way for the Lord) will not only survive the great tribulation, but that that by living through it they will get promoted to rule with Christ. On top of this he teaches that they will actually be the ones who will PRAY IT IN.

Both Dowie and Sanford believed that they were the Elijah’s to come.


Dowie as Elijah the restorer

Dowie also claimed to be Jesus Christ’s forerunner, as did Frank Sanford:

“The Kingdom (Shiloh) sought to prepare the world through prayer for Christ’s second coming. As a means of doing this, Sandford and some of his followers made the first of several voyages around the world on the schooner Coronet in 1907. Following a voyage in 1911, on which several of his crew died from scurvy and starvation, Sandford was convicted of causing death at sea and served nearly seven years in the Federal penitentiary in Atlanta, Georgia. Although the Shiloh community ended shortly after his release, Sandford continued to lead his followers while in strict seclusion until his death in March 1948.” 1.

Why all these similarities between IHOP, Freemasons, Mormons, Maranatha, Shiloh, etc? Because we are dealing with the same ROOTS OF FALSE DOCTRINE and OCCULT THEOSOPHY!

“My NOLR research came across Sandford’s turn-of-the-century cult several years ago when I discovered, as did Mr. Paquette, that many of the NOLR/NAR doctrines and practices line up with those of FWS (Frank Sanford) and his Shiloh compound. Sadly, history is simply repeating itself with the same “Apostolic-Prophetic” (pathetic) compounds such as John Robert Stevens and The Walk; John Robert Wimber and Vineyard; Bill Johnson and Bethel Church keying off the “ministry” of apostate homosexual Lonnie Frisbee who keyed off of Kathryn Kuhlman, etc.; the Hernnhut Zinzendorf compounds Morningstar and IHOP, etc).

The “Shiloh” allegory is a central term for all of these entities. Why is the concept of Shiloh important toward understanding the occult theosophy behind both Sandford’s group and the NOLR?

It is because the tangible attributes of historical Israel, including genetics, are reified into what is believed to be historical Israel’s genetic descendants. Although this doctrine is hidden, it is foundational to the authority and nature of the NOLR as well as other handmaidens of Christian Kabbalah such as the Freemasons, Mormons, Rosicrucians, Swedborgians, certain Roman Catholic doctrines, and numerous campus cults.” 2


http://truthspeaker.wordpress.com/2010/02/19/revisionism-and-the-blueprint-prophecy/

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4runner[/B];514979]Well since you have never met or even heard of anyone I would even think about considering a mentor that would be hard for you to do wouldnt


Lou Engle is an awesome man of God, and is not a dominionist.

Furthermore I would rather link up with dominionist (although I am not in agreement with them - BS) than you or anyone similar to you.

I know you are not saved, I know you by your fruit, and it is past corrupt, it is straight evil.
you hate because i know what you are. a creep like the rest of them
too bad.
so sad.
 

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Contemplative prayer begins with “centering prayer,” a meditative practice where the practitioner focuses on a word and repeats that word over and over for the duration of the exercise. The purpose is to clear one’s mind of outside concerns so that God’s voice may be more easily heard. After the centering prayer, the practitioner is to sit still, listen for direct guidance from God, and feel His presence.

No, but I do agree with their teachings

I wouldnt call you satan's spawn but you are falling into her trap. I pray God will wake you up before you go too far.
see thread on why your beliefs are dangerous, not christian and cultish.
unless of course you've left..
i'm tired of your lot running around 4running for antichrist.

check the new thread.
feel free to comment.

as noted: i got pretty good discernment as a gift when i was saved: i spotted you IMMEDIATELY.
and there are more on this forum JUST LIKE YOU.
and many more to come.
 
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Zone,

I thought that IHOP was a place I could go and get good pancakes. You have wrecked this for me and turned my life upside down. Now everytime I ride by one of those IHOP locations I will be 'snarling' instead of my stomach 'growling'. Oh, how you have taken away one of the many pleasures of life. lol

your friend and Pharisee,
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as noted: i got pretty good discernment as a gift when i was saved: i spotted you IMMEDIATELY.
I got true discernment from God, and I see that you are not saved at all, but work for the enemy. However I bet you did spot me immediately. Satan warned you...''go after this one, he is a true believer in the true Jesus''
 
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I wrote an entire lesson on the Sermon on the mount...here is Chapter 5

Part 1 ''The Beatitudes''
Matthew 5
1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Being poor in spirit is to be completely inept spiritually (which we all are before our new birth). When we come to this understanding we open ourselves to receive blessings of God, the indwelling of Christ, and the empowerment of the Holy Spirit.

It is the hand in glove principle. The glove can do nothing in and of itself, but when the hand is in the glove, the glove can do anything, and everything the hand can do. We are the glove, and Jesus is the hand. Spiritually we can do nothing of ourselves, but when indwelt by Christ, and empowered by the Holy Spirit we can do everything Jesus can do.

Coming to this understanding in the first step of receiving the poor in spirit blessing.


Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

In Matthew 9:14 the disciples of John the Baptist ask Jesus why His disciples did not fast, Jesus answered them, "Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them?". We that belong to Christ are longing, mourning for His return. We live out our lives here on earth lovesick for our beloved.

We who mourn, we who long for the return of the Bridegroom will be comforted in death, martyrdom, or at His return. We will one day see our Savior face to face, this is our comfort.


Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Meekness is not weakness, it is quiet restrained strength like a war horse. A war horse is very strong yet submissive to their master. God has not called us to be weak, but humble, submitting to His leadership in out lives, quietly reflecting Christ to those we come across. It is those that humble themselves before the Lord, and walk in pure obedience to Him that will inherit the Earth.


Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

This verse really speaks for itself. When we hunger and thirst for righteousness, God will fill us with His righteousness. He will enable us to walk in the foot steps of Jesus, in true holiness, and true righteousness. But we must long for this, and commit ourselves to following Christ where ever He leads.



Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

This is kind of the reverse statement of saying if you do not forgive God will not forgive you. This is the flip side of that, if we show others mercy God will show us mercy.


Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God
In Psalm 24 David asks the question ''Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?'' the answer is ''He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully''. We must have a pure heart to see the Lord. It is not good enough to do the right things we must do them for the right reasons. Our hearts, and our motives must be pure.



Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God
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We must walk in peace with all men, never causing conflict or being violent. Paul tells us in Romans 12 "Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good." And again in 1st Thessalonians 5:15 "See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men."

When we walk in peace with all men people will take notice that we are Children of our Father.

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Peter tells us us in 1st Peter 2:20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God. And again in 4:15-16 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

When we suffer for Jesus' name or the true gospels sake we truly glorify God in our trouble.

Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
This has brought peace, and comfort in my life many times. Jesus told His disciples ''Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also''. And He has told me personally that they do not hate you, they hate ME, they are not rejecting you, they are rejecting me.

If we will stand for truth, and for Christ even in the face of adversity the Word tells us that we will receive a great reward. We are not to be man pleasers , but God pleasers, and God is pleased when we will not back down, but continue in the truth even when everyone else reject it and seemingly rejects you.

Peter tells us us this in 1st Peter 2:20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God. And again in 4:15-16 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

When we suffer for Jesus' name or the true gospels sake we truly glorify God in our trouble.


Part 2 ''A light set on a hill''
13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.



Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

Christians are to be the salt of the earth. Salt performs two important functions. It is most common of all preservatives. It keeps things from going bad. For millions of people in the world, salt still has this purpose. In the second place, salt gives taste and flavor to food. Food without salt is bland.

The Christian’s task is to be the salt of society, preserving, reconciling, adding taste, giving meaning where there is no meaning, giving hope where there is no hope.

To be the salt of society means that we are deeply concerned with its well being. We preserve values and moral principles and make a contribution to the development of cultural and social life. We add taste and flavor to the common life.


Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

We are also called to be the light of the world. Isaiah tells us to "Arise, shine, your light has come,and the glory of the Lord rests upon you nations will come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your dawn." When we have the True Light of the world living inside of us we should shine like He did, men should be drawn to us, glorify God because of our good works, and an door will be opened to share with them the gospel.


Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus did not destroy the law He fulfilled it making himself the spotless Lamb God need to redeem the world. Although we live in God's grace, that doesn't mean that the law is destroyed, we must follow God's commandments, and just as important we must teach other to obey Christ. Those that teach that sin is ok or the commandments were for the Jews only are doing much harm to the Body of Christ.


For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven

The righteousness of the Pharisees was an outward righteousness done out of religeous duty or obligation and to be seen of men. Our righteousness should be an inward righteousness done of of a pure heart that has been changed by God, and love for our Savior.


Part 3 Grace vs Law
Many people use the fact that we are under grace rather than law as an excuse to remain in sin when in reality we will see that it is actually harder to live under grace than law. The difference is we are enabled to do so through the indwelling of Christ and empowerment of the Holy Spirit, while those under the law had to try and keep the law in their own ability which is impossible.
21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.



Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Under the law you could not murder, under grace you can't hate. As a matter of fact you can't even hold anger in your heart or else you will be in danger of Hell fire.


Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

We need not participate in unimportant arguments. If someone is saying something we know to be incorrect just love them any way. There is no reason to cause conflict over it, unless of course they are believing something that may be dangerous to their eternal soul, and even then Paul tells us in Titus after the first or second correction leave them to their delusions.


Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Under the law you could not commit adultery, under grace you cannot even lust.


And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Some people use this passage as proof that the bible is not to be taken literally. Well first off Jesus did literally say these things, secondly I think He meant it. It would be better to go into Heaven lame than into Hell whole. Others say that Jesus was using hyperbole to make a point, but I again believe He meant what He said. Jesus was stressing the importance of complete obedience to the Father, and stating that we should be willing to do anything it takes to bring ourselves into obedience.


It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Under the Old covenant Moses allowed men to divorce their wives for any reason or even no reason, but Jesus says adultery is the only lawful reason to divorce. And if you divorce and re-marry or if your ex- wife re-marries then that is not a lawful marriage in God's eyes, but adultery.


Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
Under the Law one could swear on God, but had to keep that promise. The commandment that says ''do not take the Lord's name in vain'' actually meant if you swear on God's name keep your promise. If you were to answear on God's name and then break that promise you would be breaking the 3rd commandment, but if you kept it you were fine. However Jesus now tells us that under grace we need not to swear at all but let our answer stand for itself.



Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Under the law we were to receive equal payment when we have suffered loss, but under grace we are to suffer loss, and let God revenge us.

Jesus said that God requires more of us than just living by a set of rules, as in the Old Testament. Many people of Jesus' time lived strictly by the Old Testament rules, but still found enough "loopholes" to live lives of wickedness and greed. They acted very holy in public, and they thought they we doing all that God required of them. But Jesus said they were hypocrites, like drinking cups that were washed clean on the outside but were filthy inside. Rather than any outward show of holiness, it is our inner lives, attitudes and motives that really matter to God.
 
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Part 4 ''Be perfect says the Lord''
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.



And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

This goes back to the previous verse. Suffer evil, go over and beyond, giving even to those that take.


And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

Once again Jesus is asking us to go over and beyond what is necessary. if we have obligated ourselves to someone or something we are not to stop when that obligation is fulfilled but do more than what is expected.


Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

We need to be givers. We need to help to meet the needs of those less fortunate


Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you
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Wow this is a hard one, not only does he ask us to love are enemies (those that hate us), but to do good to those that persecute us, and bless those that curse us. This seems impossible, but it isnt God is able to make us able.



That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
This goes back to being peace makers, and Paul tells us those that are lead by the Spirit are the children of God. When we live in the way described by Jesus here in chapter 5 of Matthew's gospel people will take notice that we are born of God.

Furthermore this answer the question as to why bad things happen to good people. Life happens, to the just and unjust, good and bad


For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
We are to treat all people with love and respect, not just those we love or those that treat us with respect.


Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Talk about an impossible request, but as I said God is able to make us able. Some people actually argue that Jesus didn't mean what He said. They say He never meant we should be perfect, but mature in the Lord. However Jesus clarifies His statement by saying ''even as the Father in Heaven is perfect''. So if what they say is true then that means the Father is not perfect, but simply mature. Also if we are fully mature in Christ the we would be perfect, for our perfection is in Christ. Jesus was, and still is commanding us to live perfectly before Him.
 
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I got true discernment from God, and I see that you are not saved at all, but work for the enemy. However I bet you did spot me immediately. Satan warned you...''go after this one, he is a true believer in the true Jesus''
You don't have any discernment from God for two important reasons. You don't have the incorruptible seed of God's word and you don't have the Holy Spirit, you need both to be able to have godly discernment and that goes for every believer. Woe to that person that calls evil good and good evil and charges those, who have been purchased by the blood of Christ, as having an unclean spirit or being of the devil. Do you really want to walk and dabble on that ground and put yourself in a terrible snare? You are headed in that direction in the fast lane. You are very reckless in your mind and heart and what you let be uttered from your tongue.
 
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I think all who oppose the truth should read my teaching on Matthew 5
 
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why have you put up a pedestal for yourself?..what is the purpose for it?
 
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Well it's the first I looked at this post and fighting again. Dear God help us all to be better.
 
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Can you explain what you mean by this question??????????
I was wondering why you would make a thread that is all about you, especially in the Bible discussion forum....just seems a bit vain...
 
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I was wondering why you would make a thread that is all about you, especially in the Bible discussion forum....just seems a bit vain...
Ahh, because Abiding said he had been reading my post and couldnt figure out what I believed. Also AnandaHya had a bunch of questions for me. So i thought it would be a good way for them and others to ask whatever they wanted. I would be completely honest, and that way you , them and other could know what I believe and get to know me better as a person.

I thought it was a good thing, there was no impure motive behind it. I am sorry you felt there was.

If you are curious about any of my beliefs just ask ;)

God Bless you Graybeard.
 
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Well it's the first I looked at this post and fighting again. Dear God help us all to be better.
Hey loveschild, you can ignore the arguing. There are a few agitators, but as offinsive as they try to be they do not offend me. I know who I am in Christ, and what He thinks of me, what they think doesnt matter at all.

If you have any questions for me ask away.
 
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Originally Posted by Graybeard

I was wondering why you would make a thread that is all about you, especially in the Bible discussion forum....just seems a bit vain...
Ahh, because Abiding said he had been reading my post and couldnt figure out what I believed. Also AnandaHya had a bunch of questions for me. So i thought it would be a good way for them and others to ask whatever they wanted. I would be completely honest, and that way you , them and other could know what I believe and get to know me better as a person.

I thought it was a good thing, there was no impure motive behind it. I am sorry you felt there was.

If you are curious about any of my beliefs just ask ;)

God Bless you Graybeard.
P.S. the question are supposed to be biblical in nature, so I think it fits well in the Bible discussion forum. My goal is to discuss the Bible. Although some have come in and tried to side track the discussion to their own agenda, my agenda is to discuss scripture with whoever had biblical questions.
 
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Hey loveschild, you can ignore the arguing. There are a few agitators, but as offinsive as they try to be they do not offend me. I know who I am in Christ, and what He thinks of me, what they think doesnt matter at all.

If you have any questions for me ask away.
If you really know who you are in Christ and you give yourself grace, then stop demonizing others through your ignorance and give them grace and stop looking at them through your own understanding. Grow up in grace and stop being a such a punky brat. You are not unique, there are scores of Christians just like you with the same tendencies that think they know everything and with the same disposition in the mind of the flesh. You have alot of doctrine that you are way off about and you have no intentions of making any of it right. You have not been taught with sound doctrine and it is obvious, but you parade yourself otherwise and without humility. You are a younger version of VW and probably have a chip on your shoulder like he does, though you have some doctrinal differences.

I love VW according to knowledge and judgment and would lay my life down for him also, because I know that he is a friend of God, though he has many strange things going on in his understanding because of how he has been afflicted in his experience. You can call that bullying if you want, but I have been taught sound doctrine and paid a dear price to have it established in my heart through grace. You don't understand that now, but if you humble yourself under God's mighty hand and don't let your heart be lifted up, God will exalt you through grace and will establish your heart so that you can be mercy and grace oriented in your knowledge and understanding. For some reason I have not given up on VW and only God knows why, because I sure don't.