Transgender pain

Greyfray · Oct 2, 2023

Isaiah 45:9 King James Version (KJV)
Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

Also says it in new testament.

My question to God would be, so I'm going to be afflicted with all this pain and then not be able to say the very words I long to scream at God? Yet....

The day I found this scripture, I was so upset. Then I went to bed, and woke up and picked my phone up and it was 11:00pm. Went back to sleep woke up at 1:00am exactly. Went back to sleep woke up at 3:00am exactly. Now it's God to me and all I feel is comfort and excitement. Wake up and pick my phone up at 3:30am exactly. I was so happy. Peace came over me and somehow I fell back asleep. Woke up, and got up, at 7:00am exactly.

Father God in heaven you know this to be true, and I thank you now for your comfort because my rage is instant and though I try to rid myself of blasphemy, when I'm severely hurting constantly Lord I just can't help it, for who can praise you in the grave?

beaglehound · Oct 2, 2023

Greyfray,

In your initial post you said anyone who did not believe a transgendered male is a male need not comment because they would be wasting your time.
However, I think you already know where followers of Jesus Christ stand on the subject. Despite that you have been dialoguing with us since Friday.
You have already made up your mind that you are a man born in the body of woman. Are you seeking approval from the body of Christ that you are indeed a man but for whatever reason God made a mistake and put you in the wrong physical body?

You have made it clear that you are very angry with God.

You profess to be a Christian but follow the teachings of an LGBTQ church.

You have told us you are in emotional pain and have attempted suicide multiple times. I get that.
You believe you may be a eunuch although you do not have a prostate. Euniches do not have female reproductive parts. You do.
You have said you will be receiving in depth counselling and hope to convince the therapist the need and urgency to transition.

In all honesty, I would say you have not reached that point where transitioning is the only decision based on all that you have stated.

I think there is still exploring for you to do. If in the end you come to the same conclusion that you say you already have then so be it.
God wants you to be happy and at peace. But the path you choose may not give you the peace and happiness you seek. On the other hand it may. I don't know.
I personally would not judge whatever decision you make. Nor should others. Having said that, as believers our first obligation is to the Lord our God with all our heart, all our strength, all our mind.
Whether in the end the decision you make is the right one in God's eyes will be between you and God not your fellow man.
I can give an opinion. I can quote scripture to you all day. I'm not sure that is what you are really wanting.

My hope and prayer is that you will find the inner peace you long for. If I may I'm going to pray for you greyfray....

Father God, wonderful creator of this universe. Thank you for Greyfray and her willingness to be open about her struggles. She says that she has accepted you as her Lord and Saviour. With that comes the dwelling of the Holy Spirit within her. I pray Lord that the holy spirit speaks to her so that your will may be done.
Give her an inner sense of peace and assurance that it is you who are actually carrying her and not merely walking beside her.
Shield her from the enemy's flaming arrows of deceit. Find a church where she can attend to your word and not where your word is corrupted.
Place a counsellor in her life that will have godly wisdom and provide clear direction.
I uplift greyfray and gently place her at the foot of your that she will not be double minded but will choose to embrace your healing strength.
In Jesus name I pray,
Amen

Blain · Oct 2, 2023

Jimbone said:

I always make it a point that it is sinful but the metyhod and the way we help them makes all the diffrerence
You cannot help evryone in the same way there is a way to help one and another for someone else.

People like this are damaged hurt and excluded from Christianity they need to know they are worth fighting for they need to know How God sees themnthey are fragile and must be treated with tendrness understanding and compassion they don't need to be made aware of their sins it is genetic not a choice this has to do with the seed war it is a thorn at their side that God's grace is sufficent

If we who are called Christians cannot see this and cannot link with their hearts and all we do is tell them what is wrong with them what results are we expecting?

More importantly what are we willing to do about it? sure you show the sin but what do you do about it afterwards? How do you help them and reach their hearts? how do you show the love and eyes of God? everyone is quick to mpoint out sin and weakness but if don't do anything about it if you are not willing to do whatever you can to help them through it then don't call yourself a Christian you are just another Pharisee

I don't say this to be rude or judgemental but as a matter of fact I detest those who claim to be of love but when those who need it most are only met with what is normally given then yeah I assume they are Christian by title only the heart decides everything the motive the purpose the reason why they fight and if when given a soul needing love understand and help but only give the normal response I question thei5r hearts

It doesn't take a genius to realize these are people who are beaten broken who have only recieved damaged from so called Christians and if we as the body of Christ cannot see this we fail as believers period no if and or butt no excuses

Blain · Oct 2, 2023

ThereRoseaLamb said:

I have been speaking to them personally and I can tell you it isn't as simple as knowing what is right or not can you imagine being born with desires like that not knowing why or how to overcome it? not something you chose but are burdened with a thorn at your side. Instead of being overcome with your own view of how singil you are how you contradict him just with how you were born their obvious assumtion is that God made them that way yet they are still so tender so easily damaged the truth is not spoken it is shown the healing they need is to know How God sees them not what they or anyone else says they are broken bruised damaged you have to know how to help one soul apart from another the same tactic will not work with everyone.

These people rewuire a heart that is tender compassionate who instead of showing the truth that only shows their own flaws and sins they need somoen who refutes all of that and shows them what he sees when he looks at them.

The truth impacts the heart it is not simply words or the belief it touches the soul the heart the inner being these are the wounded the beaten the broken the lost

Cameron143 · Oct 2, 2023

Blain said:

I have been speaking to them personally and I can tell you it isn't as simple as knowing what is right or not can you imagine being born with desires like that not knowing why or how to overcome it? not something you chose but are burdened with a thorn at your side. Instead of being overcome with your own view of how singil you are how you contradict him just with how you were born their obvious assumtion is that God made them that way yet they are still so tender so easily damaged the truth is not spoken it is shown the healing they need is to know How God sees them not what they or anyone else says they are broken bruised damaged you have to know how to help one soul apart from another the same tactic will not work with everyone.

These people rewuire a heart that is tender compassionate who instead of showing the truth that only shows their own flaws and sins they need somoen who refutes all of that and shows them what he sees when he looks at them.

The truth impacts the heart it is not simply words or the belief it touches the soul the heart the inner being these are the wounded the beaten the broken the lost

Why do you believe they are born this way?

Blain · Oct 2, 2023

Cameron143 said:

becuase of the seed war established from genisis with the serpant from then on the devil has attempted to alter the bloodline to the point wher he tried to make it wherte the blood line of christ would be corrupted and thus never appear

blood has always been a major thing with god and honestly ask yourself can you choose to be sexually attracted to the same sex/ can you suddenly decide to not be attracted to the opposite sex/ i have yet to find anyone who can claim to truthfully do this it isn't a choice and if it is then you should be able to change your desires but if it doesn't work that way if you cannot prove it is a choice then by what means do you think it is a choice?

we all were given burdens flaws weaknesses from birth not of our own choosing but if no one can help and give emoathjings then our weakness is the lack of what real love is. love looks past the sin past the person love sees the heart love sees what god sees and says about them

jesus ate and drank with such people don'y believe what you have been taight and shown these people are ripe for the picking if anyone would be grateful for his grace for his love it is them

if you are a christian then why do you not see with his eyes/ do you think he sees their flaws and sins/ no his heart melts for them he see them as way beyond what they have been lead to believe.

so if anyone claims to be a christian then they will look at the heart instead of poiting out thuer sins ans everything they are wrgong about they instinctavely reach out to help such people otherwise don't bother calling yourself a chrisitan

Cameron143 · Oct 2, 2023

Blain said:

I don't believe in a serpent seed doctrine. I do believe we are born in our trespasses and sins and are being dominated by Satan, and are under the wrath of God. But sexual behavior, while compelled by a God given drive, is learned; not innate. So it is normal that we have sexual impulses, but how those urges are expressed are learned.
It's interesting, but if there was something inherent about sexual deviance, and those who practice it rarely have kids, wouldn't we see less and less of it? Conversely, if it is learned behavior, we would expect in cultures where such behavior is accepted and promoted, we will find a greater incidence of it. And that's exactly what one finds.
I do agree that we should deal kindly with people who are going through painful situations, but we can still speak truthfully to them concerning their sin.

beaglehound · Oct 2, 2023

[QUOTE="Blain, post:

if you are a christian then why do you not see with his eyes/ do you think he sees their flaws and sins/ no his heart melts for them he see them as way beyond what they have been lead to believe.

so if anyone claims to be a christian then they will look at the heart instead of poiting out thuer sins ans everything they are wrgong about they instinctavely reach out to help such people otherwise don't bother calling yourself a christian [/QUOTE]

I tried to follow your points but you lost me. Then you got me back , then you lost me.
Put choice and not a choice aside for a moment. You pointed out that Jesus sat at a table amongst sinners. I understand that. He was also confronted by some religious leaders who presented him with an adulteress. How did he handle the situation? He did 2 things. Firstly, He showed love and mercy for the woman who was sleeping around and could have been put to death. I gleaned that from your comments. But secondly, he told her that neither does he condemn her but to go now and sin no more. Go and sin no more. In other words, stop such behaviour. He did not say, there there now, run along. He was very clear in his direction.
He acknowledged the sin as did she.

The issue is not whether one is born transgendered. If in God's eyes it is sinful behaviour then the issue has to be dealt with.
Many have laboured over the issue of homosexuality. What if Jesus were sitting having a meal with 2 men who were in a gay relationship ? Would he get up and leave? I doubt it. Would he condemn them to death? I doubt it. How do you think Christ would have handled it?
Whether one chooses to be gay or is born gay is irrelevant. The question is, how does one deal with the behaviour?
As one tries to deal with the issue the body of Christ needs to be there to provide wisdom, emotional support, acceptance of the afflicted. Acceptance by displaying compassion does not mean compromising God's word.
The church cannot compromise on this.
One can choose to submit to the lustful desires of the flesh or choose not to. That is where choice comes in.

Brightfame63 · Oct 2, 2023

"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee," Jer. 1:5
God loves you, and there are two things that He can not do, (lie, and make mistakes).
There is a way that seemeth right unto a man but the end thereof is death, Prov. 14:12, but the only one truth that matters is God's and problems, confusion, "pain", starts when we refuse to accept it.

Greyfray · Oct 2, 2023

Brightfame63 said:

Pain started before I ever started living as transgender. I was an innocent kid that didn't want to wear make up dresses jumpers girls shoes and clothes, how I sat was different, I loved Dragonball Z fighting show and made a story with only male characters. Some of the pain disappears when I get called he and experience masculine activities like watching football with the guys type of thing. God made a way out with Testosterone, so I'm trusting in God

Blain · Oct 3, 2023

beaglehound said:

I tried to follow your points but you lost me. Then you got me back , then you lost me.
Put choice and not a choice aside for a moment. You pointed out that Jesus sat at a table amongst sinners. I understand that. He was also confronted by some religious leaders who presented him with an adulteress. How did he handle the situation? He did 2 things. Firstly, He showed love and mercy for the woman who was sleeping around and could have been put to death. I gleaned that from your comments. But secondly, he told her that neither does he condemn her but to go now and sin no more. Go and sin no more. In other words, stop such behaviour. He did not say, there there now, run along. He was very clear in his direction.
He acknowledged the sin as did she.

The issue is not whether one is born transgendered. If in God's eyes it is sinful behaviour then the issue has to be dealt with.
Many have laboured over the issue of homosexuality. What if Jesus were sitting having a meal with 2 men who were in a gay relationship ? Would he get up and leave? I doubt it. Would he condemn them to death? I doubt it. How do you think Christ would have handled it?
Whether one chooses to be gay or is born gay is irrelevant. The question is, how does one deal with the behaviour?
As one tries to deal with the issue the body of Christ needs to be there to provide wisdom, emotional support, acceptance of the afflicted. Acceptance by displaying compassion does not mean compromising God's word.
The church cannot compromise on this.
One can choose to submit to the lustful desires of the flesh or choose not to. That is where choice comes in.[/QUOTE] The thing is the flesh when it comes to God doesn't maatter the heart is what makes the diffrence in real life and anything else the heart the motive the reason is always the deciding factor.
My point was to look at the heart not the flesh. God is spirit not flesh so his eyes don't look at yhr flesh they don't see the sin or flaws they see who mthe person truly is inside
People born with this kind of struggle have their flaws and sins thrown at them by so called Christians but the damage dones to them is gorrible even with good intentions

But you cannot help somone the same way you can help others it6 requires his eys his understanding of a persons heart Christianity is quick to point out such sins but how many actually helpt them you have to look past the sin and see their hearts their struggles their feeling of not being good enough

If you look at the sin at everything they don't fit then yes You can prove they live in sin But Jesus wasn't about that he saw past all of that and connected to people who otherwise would not have come to him.

The reason what I say doesn't make sense is because I see the heart of a person sin flesh any weakness or anything wrong with them I am blind to I see andf feel all that is in their hearts and that is the only way to reach such people

do you know many I have encountered liuke this who were shocked to learn I was a Christian? the damage so called Christians did to them to the point where a hug brought them to teawrs.

It ifuriated me these so called Christians did all this damage and simply me treating them as human beings not pointing out their sins and flaw and a mere hug obviously even with good intentions we are doing it wrong we cause more damage than good and I have seen the results of this.

Look to the heart nothing else you won't help them you won't teach them you will never expose the truth to them othereise if you cannot resonate with their hearts then sadly you are not qualified to help them try and you will only damage them

beaglehound · Oct 3, 2023

Blain said:

The thing is the flesh when it comes to God doesn't maatter the heart is what makes the diffrence in real life and anything else the heart the motive the reason is always the deciding [/QUOTE]

Seeking to understand. Validation and compassion are all important. Acceptance as one who God desires to love is equally important.
It is important that the Christian does not judge but allows God to do the judging through his word.

I know a number of gays who are caring loving decent human beings. They are harmless and non violent people. And yes, some even attend church even more regularly than others.
You put great emphasize on the heart. How do you reconcile that with scripture that says the heart is deceitful and cannot be trusted.
If you respond to my comments please keep it short. I start losing focus when I have to read reems of script. 🙂

Greyfray · Oct 3, 2023

seekingthemindofChrist said:

I am sorry yes I thought Elihu was one of Job's friends.

God showed up to correct Job in time to be redeemed, maybe God will reveal his righteousness to me in time because Lord knows I can't figure it out in this much pain.

Please God make me eat my words that you committed a crime, with a Eunuch reward (Isaiah 56) and a cause of my suffering that only you will ever know, never reveal it to me because no greater good will ever suffice my masculine injustice. Erase my memory of ever being associated with females.

Blain · Oct 3, 2023

beaglehound said:

Seeking to understand. Validation and compassion are all important. Acceptance as one who God desires to love is equally important.
It is important that the Christian does not judge but allows God to do the judging through his word.

I know a number of gays who are caring loving decent human beings. They are harmless and non violent people. And yes, some even attend church even more regularly than others.
You put great emphasize on the heart. How do you reconcile that with scripture that says the heart is deceitful and cannot be trusted.
If you respond to my comments please keep it short. I start losing focus when I have to read reems of script. 🙂[/QUOTE]
What was it that made Jesus so strong to go through all he did for us? it was the motive of his heart the reason why he was able to endure what he did was not because he was God but the heart the reason the motive in his heart that he did what he did. plenty lived by the law the doctrine but it was his heart that changed everything this is wHAT TRUE STRENGTH IS HOW FAR HE WAS WILLING TO GO KNOWING THE COST GOING AGAINST THE NORM

Sorry dumb cap locks got me again

Greyfray · Oct 3, 2023

Someone asked about the Sophia video. Have y'all watched that video?! Why bother asking me I don't relate at all. I am masculine.

She has fits of femininity or whatever. Was "sort of" a tomboy.
"Grew out of it" . "experimented with make up".

There's got to be a better detransition video lol.

Greyfray · Oct 3, 2023

My posts are out of order making it almost impossible to find posts. Post 20 to post 233? I don't think I understand how the posting system works

beaglehound · Oct 3, 2023

Blain said:

What was it that made Jesus so strong to go through all he did for us? it was the motive of his heart the reason why he was able to endure what he did was not because he was God but the heart the reason the motive in his heart that he did what he did. plenty lived by the law the doctrine but it was his heart that changed everything this is wHAT TRUE STRENGTH IS HOW FAR HE WAS WILLING TO GO KNOWING THE COST GOING AGAINST THE NORM

Sorry dumb cap locks got me again[/QUOTE]

Jeremiah 17:9,10🥴

seekingthemindofChrist · Oct 3, 2023

Greyfray said:

There is no masculine injustice, and God will never erase your memory of being associated with females because he made you a female, and he needs no eraser.

For whatever reason (s), you refuse to pray for the things you truly ought to be praying for, so I cannot help you.

Farewell.

seekingthemindofChrist · Oct 3, 2023

Greyfray said:

You can always find your own posts in chronological order by simply clicking on your avatar, and then clicking where it says "Your content."

2ndTimeIsTheCharm · Oct 3, 2023

seekingthemindofChrist said:

I was victimized as a child as well, but God really can and did heal whatever trauma was caused. God can overcome any amount of psychological damage. This person you're speaking to doesn't want to be healed by God, but wants us to so sympathize with them to accept their sin as part of their evil agenda to corrupt the church. You may say that no one here has been, but they're not just thinking about you, they're thinking about the unknown who read this forum.

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