The Trinity

montana123 · Oct 2, 2023

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him.

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Rom 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead.

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Why does the Bible only attribute the Father as God who is above all, and the Son was made according to the flesh.

Which the Son shall be called the mighty God, the everlasting Father, and Jesus said if you have seen Him then you have seen the Father, and it is the Father that dwells in Him and He does the works.

I believe there is one God who is a Holy Spirit, and Father is a title for God, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.

The 3 relationships God has with His children designated by titles.

Father- Creator, and parent of the saints.

Son- God's visible relationship to the saints.

Holy Spirit- God's invisible relationship to the saints.

The Bible plainly states there is one God the Father, and does not mention Son, and Holy Spirit, for it does not need to mention them because there is one God with no distinction of persons and the Father is the Holy Spirit, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.

God the Son cannot be possible for the term Son means to come after the Father or else the term Son has no meaning.

The Son would have to have a beginning for the term Son to have meaning.

But God said there was no God formed before Him, and there shall be no God formed after Him, so Jesus as the Son could not be God but He is the man Christ Jesus, but Jesus is God that has no beginning for He is the everlasting Father according to His deity for there is only one God, the Father.

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him.

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Explain why the Bible says there is only one God the Father.

JacobMartinMertens · Oct 2, 2023

posthuman said:

Revelation 3:21 NASB20 - 'The one who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat with My Father on His throne.

ewq1938 · Oct 2, 2023

JacobMartinMertens said:

Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Who is the one who would give the water of life? That's key to identifying the one speaking, who says he is God.

Joh 4:13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
Joh 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end" . Jesus has said that before:

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last[/U]: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea

JacobMartinMertens · Oct 2, 2023

ewq1938 said:

Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Who is the one who would give the water of life? That's key to identifying the one speaking, who says he is God.

Joh 4:13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
Joh 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end" . Jesus has said that before:

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last[/U]: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea

I don't follow.

posthuman · Oct 2, 2023

montana123 said:

why?

your logic demands the Father also have a beginning, for the same flawed human reasoning.

posthuman · Oct 2, 2023

JacobMartinMertens said:

we know.

posthuman · Oct 2, 2023

montana123 said:

because you're refusing to receive the testimony of things like this:

John 3:31-32

He who comes from above is above all; he who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of the earth. He who comes from heaven is above all. And what He has seen and heard, that He testifies; and no one receives His testimony.

posthuman · Oct 2, 2023

montana123 said:

explain why the Bible says Christ is called Everlasting Father.

welcome to the Trinity.

ewq1938 · Oct 2, 2023

JacobMartinMertens said:

Just proving the person who says he is God is Jesus speaking rather than his father. The other part of my sig shows how the Rock of Israel in the OT was God, and in the NT that rock was identified as Jesus so another proof that Jesus is God (God the Son not God the Father).

JacobMartinMertens · Oct 2, 2023

ewq1938 said:

Well, I don't agree with you.

ewq1938 · Oct 2, 2023

JacobMartinMertens said:

Neh_9:15 And gavest them bread from heaven for their hunger, and broughtest forth water for them out of the rock for their thirst, and promisedst them that they should go in to possess the land which thou hadst sworn to give them.

2Sa_23:3 The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God.

Psa_18:2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.

Psa 18:31 For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?

Psa_78:35 And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.

God is our rock!

1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co_10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

And Christ is God because he was that Rock in OT times.

Do you believe Israel's rock was God? Do you believe 1Co_10:4 when it says that rock/God was Christ? Yes or no? If you believe the bible and Paul's writings then you have to accept that Christ is God or else deny everything Paul ever wrote because he says Christ is God of the Old Testament!

JacobMartinMertens · Oct 2, 2023

ewq1938 said:

Neh_9:15 And gavest them bread from heaven for their hunger, and broughtest forth water for them out of the rock for their thirst, and promisedst them that they should go in to possess the land which thou hadst sworn to give them.

2Sa_23:3 The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God.

Psa_18:2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.

Psa 18:31 For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?

Psa_78:35 And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.

God is our rock!

1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co_10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

And Christ is God because he was that Rock in OT times.

Do you believe Israel's rock was God? Do you believe 1Co_10:4 when it says that rock/God was Christ? Yes or no? If you believe the bible and Paul's writings then you have to accept that Christ is God or else deny everything Paul ever wrote because he says Christ is God of the Old Testament!

I disagree with you.

The_Watchers_2017 · Oct 2, 2023

CS1 said:

Jesus emptied Himself in the context of Kenosis. Willful submission to rely on the Holy Spirit as he was in the flesh, which is limited. Jesus was not Omnipresent in the flesh. The Spirit of Christ willfully step down into the Flesh of the person Jesus, who is fully God and fully man. This is the price God paid to redeem us. Jesus' Body is an Eternal one. A Glorified Body. In his earthly state of being, he was tired and hungry and was also thirsty. Yet he knew all things and had the Power of God without Measure. He controlled the weather and seas. God had to step out of His Attributes willfully experience our Sin , Pain and punishment

Amen!

ewq1938 · Oct 2, 2023

JacobMartinMertens said:

No, you are disagreeing with scripture. I didn't write that Christ was the Rock in the OT which was identified as God multiple times. This is where one has to decide to accept what the bible says, or go with what they believe instead.

JacobMartinMertens · Oct 2, 2023

ewq1938 said:

I am confused by you. But you are saying that you did not say this.

ewq1938 · Oct 2, 2023

JacobMartinMertens said:

The bible says Jesus is God. I didn't write the bible. Do you disagree with Paul when he said Jesus was the Rock in the OT?

JacobMartinMertens · Oct 2, 2023

ewq1938 said:

There is more than one rock mention so I find what you are saying difficult to jump on the bandwagon.

The_Watchers_2017 · Oct 2, 2023

Jacob,
as one with yiddish background, i enjoy a Version of the New Testament, that some claim due it being in the literal Language Jesus [Yeshua] spoke [Aramaic], they have original Text where Jesus says this:

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Using the Translation known as the Aramaic Bible in Plain English.

Let's begin with the Gospel of Matthew:

But Yeshua immediately spoke with them and he said, “Take heart; I AM THE LIVING GOD. Do not be afraid.” Matthew 14:27

Now from the Gospel of Mark:

"For they all saw him and they were afraid and immediately he spoke with them and he said to them, “Take heart, I AM THE LIVING GOD; do not be afraid.” Mark 6:50

"But Yeshua said to him, “I AM THE LIVING GOD, and you shall behold The Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of Heaven.” Mark 14:62

And from Luke's Gospel:

"But all of them were saying, “You are therefore the Son of God?” Yeshua said to them, “You are saying that I AM THE LIVING GOD.” Luke 22:70

And finally, from the Gospel of John the Beloved:

"Yeshua said to her, “I AM THE LIVING GOD, I who am speaking with you.” John 4:26

"But Yeshua said to them, “I AM THE LIVING GOD, do not be afraid.” John 6:20

“I said to you that you shall die in your sins, for unless you shall believe that I AM THE LIVING GOD, you shall die in your sins.” John 8:24

"Yeshua said to them: “Timeless truth I speak to you: Before Abraham would exist, I AM THE LIVING GOD.” John 8:58

“Now I am telling you before it happens, that when it has occurred, you shall believe that I AM THE LIVING GOD.” John 13:19

"They were saying to him, “Yeshua the Nazarene.” Yeshua said to them, “I AM THE LIVING GOD.” But Yehuda the traitor was also standing with them. And when Yeshua said to them, “I AM THE LIVING GOD”, they went backward and fell to the ground." John 18:5-6

To those who would ask, "Does Jesus ever say He is God in the Bible?" He Himself says,

“I AM THE LIVING GOD.”

ewq1938 · Oct 2, 2023

JacobMartinMertens said:

No, only one rock is mentioned. That rock was God according to the OT, and Paul says that rock was Christ.

JacobMartinMertens · Oct 2, 2023

The_Watchers_2017 said:

Jacob,
as one with yiddish background, i enjoy a Version of the New Testament, that some claim due it being in the literal Language Jesus [Yeshua] spoke [Aramaic], they have original Text where Jesus says this:

.......
Using the Translation known as the Aramaic Bible in Plain English.

Let's begin with the Gospel of Matthew:

But Yeshua immediately spoke with them and he said, “Take heart; I AM THE LIVING GOD. Do not be afraid.” Matthew 14:27

Now from the Gospel of Mark:

"For they all saw him and they were afraid and immediately he spoke with them and he said to them, “Take heart, I AM THE LIVING GOD; do not be afraid.” Mark 6:50

"But Yeshua said to him, “I AM THE LIVING GOD, and you shall behold The Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of Heaven.” Mark 14:62

And from Luke's Gospel:

"But all of them were saying, “You are therefore the Son of God?” Yeshua said to them, “You are saying that I AM THE LIVING GOD.” Luke 22:70

And finally, from the Gospel of John the Beloved:

"Yeshua said to her, “I AM THE LIVING GOD, I who am speaking with you.” John 4:26

"But Yeshua said to them, “I AM THE LIVING GOD, do not be afraid.” John 6:20

“I said to you that you shall die in your sins, for unless you shall believe that I AM THE LIVING GOD, you shall die in your sins.” John 8:24

"Yeshua said to them: “Timeless truth I speak to you: Before Abraham would exist, I AM THE LIVING GOD.” John 8:58

“Now I am telling you before it happens, that when it has occurred, you shall believe that I AM THE LIVING GOD.” John 13:19

"They were saying to him, “Yeshua the Nazarene.” Yeshua said to them, “I AM THE LIVING GOD.” But Yehuda the traitor was also standing with them. And when Yeshua said to them, “I AM THE LIVING GOD”, they went backward and fell to the ground." John 18:5-6

To those who would ask, "Does Jesus ever say He is God in the Bible?" He Himself says,

“I AM THE LIVING GOD.”

I know that the Greek does not say that. I am [he] is not enough Greek words for that.

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