Is the Cross Idolatry
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Locoponydirtman
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Not necessarily. Someone not attending church might be a lot better off than if they're involved with the wrong church.
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Locoponydirtman
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A person not connected to the body needs to find a church asap, or they will find themselves in trouble eventually.
Best thing I ever did was stop church. I felt controlled.
You have the same attitude so many churchy people do. You assume that because someone isn't directly involved with a group that meets behind four walls they're "not connected to the body." Maybe you can't make it without attending church but I know a lot of people who can. What did Jesus say? "Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch." A person is better off on their own if the only guides available to them are blind.
FALSE - the Disciples were completely "normal" people. Like all Christians they WERE indwelled by the Holy Spirit, and HE ministered through them. But they could make mistakes, and weren't necessarily honest.
Yup - THAT HAPPENED with the "Brazen Serpent" that Moses made to stop a plague. After a while, people (as the do normally) began WORSHIPPING the brazen serpent, so Hezekiah destroyed it.
People in some religious systems "Worship" all sorts of stupid stuff. there's enough wood from "the cross of Christ" to build a small house, and St. Agatha's fore finger, and St. Agamemnon's skull - etc. "Sacred relics" are collested by the box lot and worshipped as though there were in any way important.
Heaven Help us if they ever find the "Ark" (of the Covenant or Noah's)
amen remember when Jesus explained this
“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.”
John 3:14-15
that’s a reference to this
“And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.”
Numbers 21:8 KJV
the cross is like the pole that held high the brazen serpent but later israel began to worship this idol not because his told them to but because they took it as no matter what now the serpent on the pole will save us so it doesn’t matter what we do now “ they actually began worshipping and burning incense to this idol and of course thier temple was destroyed fornthe idolatrous and city made desolate
“He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.”
2 Kings 18:4 KJV
Like they did many look to worship the cross just the act of Jesus dying for sin d try to make that God and remove the living God leaving an idol that has been misunderstood as an object that means no matter what you do you are saved
we can’t worship wood and nails or even a man’s death we have to worship God who created all things then later became one of us and made himself known
i think mostly Christian’s have crosses because it reminds them and others of what Jesus did for them which is t worshipping anything
Orange hair? It must be St. Patrick's Day.
1 John 1:8-10~ If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the Truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His Word is not in us.
My experience: those who attend many Sunday boxes require de-programming in order to walk in the Truth.
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Locoponydirtman
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Locoponydirtman
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Through out the scriptures and the scriotures themselves were written to gatherings together in various places. You alone are not the church the church is the body of believers. And as the letters to the churches were written to the churches gathering at specific places ie, local gathering are the churches.
One can not have communion alone. Member of the church are compared to body parts in scripture because individuals have roles with in the body. Disembodied parts if not attached soon die. Thus the directive forsake not the gathering of yourselves together is given... as some will in the end times. The only one of you guys that are disconnected that espouses sound doctrine is Resident Alien, but even he has been a bit off as of late.
God corrected the prophet who sat in a cave saying that he is the only one. God said He had 10,000.
One can not have communion alone. Member of the church are compared to body parts in scripture because individuals have roles with in the body. Disembodied parts if not attached soon die. Thus the directive forsake not the gathering of yourselves together is given... as some will in the end times. The only one of you guys that are disconnected that espouses sound doctrine is Resident Alien, but even he has been a bit off as of late.
God corrected the prophet who sat in a cave saying that he is the only one. God said He had 10,000.
Right, so in order to have communion, people have to involve themselves with groups that teach and believe all kinds of ridiculous nonsense? This is the kind of argument I'd expect to hear from the RCC, or from a cult that wants to keep its people from straying too far. People should want good fellowship, and if they can find it great; but it shouldn't be so important that it causes a person get involved with the wrong group.
By "off" I assume you mean I don't meet Lutheran standards.
What does that word mean? "the worship of someone or something other than God as though it were God.". I have some don't ware them....well you chain breaks or blah blah blah. Have pictures none of which lol I have ever talked to nor hold that cross when I pray for they are not Him in anyway shape or form. Now for you or others it might be then you best not have any. As for others its between them and God since as its written we are not here to "please man".
Thought I would add about "One can not have communion alone. " you can and I have many time for sometime you are alone ...yet not there are angels around you Christ in you the Father the sweet holy Spirit. You can
Mat 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, G4716 and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Mat 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, G4716 and follow me.
Mat 27:32
And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross. G4716
Mat 27:40
And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross. G4716
Mat 27:42
He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, G4716 and we will believe him.
Mar 8:34
And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, G4716 and follow me.
Mar 10:21
Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, G4716 and follow me.
Mar 15:21
And they compel one Simon a Cyrenian, who passed by, coming out of the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to bear his cross. G4716
Mar 15:30
Save thyself, and come down from the cross. G4716
Mar 15:32
Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, G4716 that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.
Luk 9:23
And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross G4716 daily, and follow me.
Luk 14:27
And whosoever doth not bear his cross, G4716 and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
Luk 23:26
And as they led him away, they laid hold upon one Simon, a Cyrenian, coming out of the country, and on him they laid the cross, G4716 that he might bear it after Jesus.
Jhn 19:17
And he bearing his cross G4716 went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:
Jhn 19:19
And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. G4716 And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.
Jhn 19:25
Now there stood by the cross G4716 of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
Jhn 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross G4716 on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
1Co 1:17
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross G4716 of Christ should be made of none effect.
1Co 1:18
For the preaching of the cross G4716 is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Gal 5:11
And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross G4716 ceased.
Gal 6:12
As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross G4716 of Christ.
Gal 6:14
But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross G4716 of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
Eph 2:16
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, G4716 having slain the enmity thereby:
Phl 2:8
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. G4716
Phl 3:18
(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross G4716 of Christ:
Col 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, G4716 by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Col 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; G4716
Heb 12:2
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, G4716 despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
And he that taketh not his cross, G4716 and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Mat 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, G4716 and follow me.
Mat 27:32
And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross. G4716
Mat 27:40
And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross. G4716
Mat 27:42
He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, G4716 and we will believe him.
Mar 8:34
And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, G4716 and follow me.
Mar 10:21
Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, G4716 and follow me.
Mar 15:21
And they compel one Simon a Cyrenian, who passed by, coming out of the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to bear his cross. G4716
Mar 15:30
Save thyself, and come down from the cross. G4716
Mar 15:32
Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, G4716 that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.
Luk 9:23
And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross G4716 daily, and follow me.
Luk 14:27
And whosoever doth not bear his cross, G4716 and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
Luk 23:26
And as they led him away, they laid hold upon one Simon, a Cyrenian, coming out of the country, and on him they laid the cross, G4716 that he might bear it after Jesus.
Jhn 19:17
And he bearing his cross G4716 went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:
Jhn 19:19
And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. G4716 And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.
Jhn 19:25
Now there stood by the cross G4716 of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
Jhn 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross G4716 on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
1Co 1:17
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross G4716 of Christ should be made of none effect.
1Co 1:18
For the preaching of the cross G4716 is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Gal 5:11
And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross G4716 ceased.
Gal 6:12
As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross G4716 of Christ.
Gal 6:14
But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross G4716 of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
Eph 2:16
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, G4716 having slain the enmity thereby:
Phl 2:8
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. G4716
Phl 3:18
(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross G4716 of Christ:
Col 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, G4716 by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Col 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; G4716
Heb 12:2
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, G4716 despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Goodbye now. Here at CC, we love Jesus; we’re not easily deceived by the likes of you.