Eastern Orthodoxy is not Talmud Pharisaism (Mishnaism).

[Scotth1960]

Eastern Orthodoxy is not Pharisaism.

"Where is the Love in Eastern Orthodoxy?"

Where is the Love in Eastern Orthodoxy? ....

 

[jonathanbchristian]

What do you think of Benny Hinn? He left the Eastern Orthodox Church to become a Pentecostal.

 

[Scotth1960]

What do you think of Benny Hinn? He left

the Eastern Orthodox Church to become a Pentecostal.

I judge no man. But his ministry is a money-making ministry of charlatanism. He is known for his false

prophecies and false teachings, and the false "slaying in the spirit" antics.

I do not know whether or how long he was in the Orthodox Church.

 

[GOD_IS_LOVE]

It is salvation by works and not by faith unfortunately. Alongside other unscriptural things.

 

[Scotth1960]

It is salvation by works and not by faith unfortunately. Alongside other unscriptural things.

Dear friend.
False. Lutheranism is the false, unbiblical teaching of salvation by "faith alone", and James 2:24 says that justification does not come by faith alone. Eastern Orthodoxy does teach justification by faith. By "faith which worketh through love" (Gal. 5:6). Luther's teaching of "Filioque" is unscriptural. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Strangelove]

Dear friend.
False. Lutheranism is the false, unbiblical teaching of salvation by "faith alone", and James 2:24 says that justification does not come by faith alone. Eastern Orthodoxy does teach justification by faith. By "faith which worketh through love" (Gal. 5:6). Luther's teaching of "Filioque" is unscriptural. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

Any religious group that relies on man made tradition that nullifies Gods Word is Pharisaical.

Authoritarian hierarchical priestly system
Vain repetitions
Magic/sorcery (kabbalah)
Priestly robes match pharisee garb almost identitically.
Traditions nullify Gods law.
Idolatry
Necromancy/consulting spirits.

I'll be back later Scott.

 

[Scotth1960]

Any religious group that relies on man made tradition that nullifies Gods Word is Pharisaical.

Authoritarian hierarchical priestly system
Vain repetitions
Magic/sorcery (kabbalah)
Priestly robes match pharisee garb almost identitically.
Traditions nullify Gods law.
Idolatry
Necromancy/consulting spirits.

I'll be back later Scott.

Strangelove, You rely on man made tradition because you trust in your own private, man made interpretation of the Bible. So you are not being genuine, and you can't even correctly identify your point of origin: Which is it: Turkey, or Namibia?
If you are dishonest in even little things, you will be dishonest in great things, too.
I was sinful for many years, don't get me wrong. We all need Christ's mercy, that is the point.
It won't help you bearing false witness against the Church though. Especially when you can't even confess what country you are in.
In Erie PA USA Scott Harrington

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Dear friend.
False. Lutheranism is the false, unbiblical teaching of salvation by "faith alone", and James 2:24 says that justification does not come by faith alone. Eastern Orthodoxy does teach justification by faith. By "faith which worketh through love" (Gal. 5:6). Luther's teaching of "Filioque" is unscriptural. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

Why do you always go to Luther? I don't know anyone here who follows Luther. So when you say stuff like this it does not make any sense.

James did not add works to the gospel. He said if you have no works, your faith is dead. A dead faith = no faith = no salvation.

I don't get the "faith working in love" thing.

Gal 5 is Paul teaching against people adding the work of circumcision to grace to the Gospel. Paul makes it clear. getting circumcised means nothing to those in Christ (it will not save you) it is faith (ours) working in the love (of Christ). You can't get paul teaching that all our sacramental works are not our but Christ, context does not allow it.

6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

this faith working in love thing is just a false doctrine which comes from the roman catholics. to try to excuse their works based "sacramental" salvation. of which the EO Church has bought into.

 

[Strangelove]

Strangelove, You rely on man made tradition because you trust in your own private, man made interpretation of the Bible. So you are not being genuine, and you can't even correctly identify your point of origin: Which is it: Turkey, or Namibia?
If you are dishonest in even little things, you will be dishonest in great things, too.
I was sinful for many years, don't get me wrong. We all need Christ's mercy, that is the point.
It won't help you bearing false witness against the Church though. Especially when you can't even confess what country you are in.
In Erie PA USA Scott Harrington

Authoritarian hierarchical priestly system

(Matthew 20:25) But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.

(Matthew 20:26) But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;

(Matthew 20:27) And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:

EO:

"The permanent criteria of church structure for the Orthodox Church today, outside the New Testament writings, are found in the canons (regulation and decrees) of the first seven ecumenical councils; the canons of several local or provincial councils, whose authority was recognized by the whole church; the so-called Apostolic Canons (actually some regulations of the church in Syria, dating from the 4th century); and the "canons of the Fathers" or selected extracts from prominent church leaders having canonical importance"

Eastern Orthodox Church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Vain repetitions

(Matthew 6:7) But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

EO:

‪Great Vespers, Saturday 1 Jan 2011 part 1 of 2‬‏ - YouTube

Lord have mercy
Lord have mercy
Lord have mercy
Lord have mercy
Lord have mercy
Lord have mercy
Lord have mercy
Lord have mercy
Lord have mercy

1 Kings 18:26
And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed [it], and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But [there was] no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made.

HEATHEN!

Magic/sorcery (kabbalah)

(Revelation 18:23) And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Erm....whats the burning hair thingee all about Scott?

Whats with the relics?

Priestly robes match pharisee garb almost identitically. Pomp and ceremony

6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Traditions nullify Gods law.

See vain repetitions, authoritarian priestly structure etc.

Idolatry

Venerating "holy" icons and relics

Necromancy/consulting spirits.

Are repose members of your congregation saints Scott?

5th request. Still no answer.

Defend your cult Scott. They display the characteristics of a Pharisaical sect.

 

[Scotth1960]

Why do you always go to Luther? I don't know anyone here who follows Luther. So when you say stuff like this it does not make any sense.

James did not add works to the gospel. He said if you have no works, your faith is dead. A dead faith = no faith = no salvation.

I don't get the "faith working in love" thing.

Gal 5 is Paul teaching against people adding the work of circumcision to grace to the Gospel. Paul makes it clear. getting circumcised means nothing to those in Christ (it will not save you) it is faith (ours) working in the love (of Christ). You can't get paul teaching that all our sacramental works are not our but Christ, context does not allow it.

6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

this faith working in love thing is just a false doctrine which comes from the roman catholics. to try to excuse their works based "sacramental" salvation. of which the EO Church has bought into.

You seem to be buying into the "faith alone" equals "salvation" mistake of Martin Luther. That's why I'm bringing up Luther. He contradicted Church Tradition, and Luther said of his "gospel" (of "faith alone" in Romans 3:28), "It is so because I, Martin Luther, say it is so."
So much for teaching the true gospel. Faith working through love is Galatians 5:6.
So you are saying Saint Paul is a false prophet, and Galatians 5:6 is false.
Paul teaches against "faith alone" in Galatians 5:6. Love must be added to faith, and also hope (1 Cor. 13:13). We are saved by faith, hope, and love; we are saved by God alone.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You seem to be buying into the "faith alone" equals "salvation" mistake of Martin Luther. That's why I'm bringing up Luther. He contradicted Church Tradition, and Luther said of his "gospel" (of "faith alone" in Romans 3:28), "It is so because I, Martin Luther, say it is so."
So much for teaching the true gospel. Faith working through love is Galatians 5:6.
So you are saying Saint Paul is a false prophet, and Galatians 5:6 is false.
Paul teaches against "faith alone" in Galatians 5:6. Love must be added to faith, and also hope (1 Cor. 13:13). We are saved by faith, hope, and love; we are saved by God alone.

No I did not buy into his doctrine. And I proved to you through scripture that it is not a false teaching. (Yet you did not even respond to this.. why??

Your teaching of works is false. your trying to earn a gift. God said he will reject your works. and not let you in if you try to earn it by your own deeds. This is scripture. It does not matter what Luther, or constantine or anyone else taught. This is scripture. I follow the word. Not men.

 

[Strangelove]

You seem to be buying into the "faith alone" equals "salvation" mistake of Martin Luther. That's why I'm bringing up Luther. He contradicted Church Tradition, and Luther said of his "gospel" (of "faith alone" in Romans 3:28), "It is so because I, Martin Luther, say it is so."
So much for teaching the true gospel. Faith working through love is Galatians 5:6.
So you are saying Saint Paul is a false prophet, and Galatians 5:6 is false.
Paul teaches against "faith alone" in Galatians 5:6. Love must be added to faith, and also hope (1 Cor. 13:13). We are saved by faith, hope, and love; we are saved by God alone.

Can we stick to the topic of defending the EO cult please?

 

[Scotth1960]

Authoritarian hierarchical priestly system

(Matthew 20:25) But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.

(Matthew 20:26) But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;

(Matthew 20:27) And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:

EO:

"The permanent criteria of church structure for the Orthodox Church today, outside the New Testament writings, are found in the canons (regulation and decrees) of the first seven ecumenical councils; the canons of several local or provincial councils, whose authority was recognized by the whole church; the so-called Apostolic Canons (actually some regulations of the church in Syria, dating from the 4th century); and the "canons of the Fathers" or selected extracts from prominent church leaders having canonical importance"

Eastern Orthodox Church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Vain repetitions

(Matthew 6:7) But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

EO:

‪Great Vespers, Saturday 1 Jan 2011 part 1 of 2‬‏ - YouTube

Lord have mercy
Lord have mercy
Lord have mercy
Lord have mercy
Lord have mercy
Lord have mercy
Lord have mercy
Lord have mercy
Lord have mercy

1 Kings 18:26
And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed [it], and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But [there was] no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made.

HEATHEN!

Magic/sorcery (kabbalah)

(Revelation 18:23) And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Erm....whats the burning hair thingee all about Scott?

Whats with the relics?

Priestly robes match pharisee garb almost identitically. Pomp and ceremony

6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Traditions nullify Gods law.

See vain repetitions, authoritarian priestly structure etc.

Idolatry

Venerating "holy" icons and relics

Necromancy/consulting spirits.

Are repose members of your congregation saints Scott?

5th request. Still no answer.

Defend your cult Scott. They display the characteristics of a Pharisaical sect.

Defend your country of origin, Strangelove.

So your faith tells you to say that Turkey is in Namibia, and Namibia is in Turkey.

If that is true, prove it.

Necromancy? False accusation.

Idolatry? False accusation.

Turkey is in Nambia; Namibia is in Turkey. False geography.

If you can't be honest about this, why would anyone believe your false witness

about saying "Pharisaical sect/ Pharisaical cult"?

Which of the Church Fathers was a Pharisaical cult member?

Which of the Apostles was the founder of a cult?

Why don't you use your own name?

Change your name from Strangelove and maybe you will be taken more seriously.

In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Scotth1960]

Any religious group that relies on man made tradition that nullifies Gods Word is Pharisaical.

Authoritarian hierarchical priestly system
Lie.

Vain repetitions
False. St. Paul wrote, "Pray without ceasing".

Magic/sorcery (kabbalah)
Lie.

Priestly robes match pharisee garb almost identitically.
Lie.

Traditions nullify Gods law.
False.

Idolatry
Lie.

Necromancy/consulting spirits.
Lie.

I'll be back later Scott.

God bless you Strangelove.
Come back telling the truth, and maybe we'll have something to talk about.
Scott


Dear strangelove, If you live in both Namibia and in Turkey, I apologize. But most people live in only one place location. I don't understand your situation.
The Patriarch of Constantinople lives in what is now Turkey.
It is only Turkey because Constantinople fell in 1453 AD.
God bless you.
Scott Harrington Erie PA USA

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God bless you Strangelove.
Come back telling the truth, and maybe we'll have something to talk about.
Scott


Dear strangelove, If you live in both Namibia and in Turkey, I apologize. But most people live in only one place location. I don't understand your situation.
The Patriarch of Constantinople lives in what is now Turkey.
It is only Turkey because Constantinople fell in 1453 AD.
God bless you.
Scott Harrington Erie PA USA

what does where he live have to do with whether the orthodox church is from God or not? If he lives in one place the EO is from God if not the EO is not. I don't get this line of questioning. Who cares where he lives. This is the internet you don't let people know where you live!

 

[Scotth1960]

No I did not buy into his doctrine. And I proved to you through scripture that it is not a false teaching. (Yet you did not even respond to this.. why??

Your teaching of works is false. your trying to earn a gift. God said he will reject your works. and not let you in if you try to earn it by your own deeds. This is scripture. It does not matter what Luther, or constantine or anyone else taught. This is scripture. I follow the word. Not men.

Your teaching of faith alone comes from Martin Luther, not from God.
It is false. We are saved by God's mercy alone (Titus 3:5). His mercy does not leave us without works.
Faith alone teaches faith minus works saves. That is false.
James says faith without works is dead.
Faith alone is faith without works, which is dead. Dead faith doesn't save anyone. We cannot earn God's mercy by our works.

 

[Scotth1960]

what does where he live have to do with whether the orthodox church is from God or not? If he lives in one place the EO is from God if not the EO is not. I don't get this line of questioning. Who cares where he lives. This is the internet you don't let people know where you live!

He was being obscure. He didn't clearly say where he was coming from. Why would anyone want to hide that?
Anyone who calls the Church that Christ founded a cult, necromancy, and idolatry is committing heresy and false witness against the Truth.
No. I don't give out my full address. But I don't try to confuse people as to whether I like in Namibia or in Turkey.
And I use my own name. Strangelove gave no good reason why he calls himself strangelove. That is just plain weird! "Strangelove" indeed. Eastern Orthodoxy is not a strange love; it is the truth of God. The truth in God's love in Christ. God bless all of you. Amen.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Your teaching of faith alone comes from Martin Luther, not from God.
It is false. We are saved by God's mercy alone (Titus 3:5). His mercy does not leave us without works.
Faith alone teaches faith minus works saves. That is false.
James says faith without works is dead.
Faith alone is faith without works, which is dead. Dead faith doesn't save anyone. We cannot earn God's mercy by our works.

No Scott. Martine Luther did not say a dead faith was no faith at all. GOD DID. Luther even tried to have James thrown out. so you can't say this came from him!
IT does not matter who interprets dead to mean dead. It is not a private interpretation it is Gods word.

Your right his mercy does not leave us without works. But it is not works which saves us, it is salvation which brings about works (eph 2: 8-10) This is what James was saying.

The men he condemned had ZERO WORKS> which proved they had ZERO FAITH. If you have ZERO FAITH you have ZERO SALVATION. It is not a doctrine from men. It is a doctrine from God!

Yes. James said faith without works is dead. How much faith is a dead faith? I have asked you this already, you refuse to answer, like so many other people catholic or not who are backed into a corner because you know I am right. but your pride will not allow you to see it.

Your right, we can't earn Gods mercy by works. that means we can earn salvation by works. Which means all the sacramental works your doing which you think will grant you salvation will not grant you anything. Because God will reject those works. because you reject the ONLY work which can save you. that is the work of Christ on the cross.

Wake up my friend. before its too late!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He was being obscure. He didn't clearly say where he was coming from. Why would anyone want to hide that?
Anyone who calls the Church that Christ founded a cult, necromancy, and idolatry is committing heresy and false witness against the Truth.
No. I don't give out my full address. But I don't try to confuse people as to whether I like in Namibia or in Turkey.
And I use my own name. Strangelove gave no good reason why he calls himself strangelove. That is just plain weird! "Strangelove" indeed. Eastern Orthodoxy is not a strange love; it is the truth of God. The truth in God's love in Christ. God bless all of you. Amen.

Scott.. Who cares if he feels secure enough to tell us where he lives or not? For all we know he could live in a muslim nation where claiming to be a christian would get you killed. I probably would not say it either.

Stick to the facts of scripture. where he comes from does not matter.

 

[Scotth1960]

Can we stick to the topic of defending the EO cult please?

EO is not a cult. You are unfair and ignorant of the truth.