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Locoponydirtman

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Lutheran doctrine and Calvinism is very far apart.
 
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Not to mention Luther did not accept portion of God's canon like the Book of James for instance. He wanted it removed because he's a cherry picker who does not accept the whole counsel of God.
Also taking Luther's words out of context
 
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Lutheran doctrine and Calvinism is very far apart.
Not so much... false doctrine is false doctrine no matter how one slices it.

The problem is making an idol out of Luther just like the catholics make an idol out of their popes.

One should ditch the idols and denominations and... study God's Word for themselves.
 
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Not so much... false doctrine is false doctrine no matter how one slices it.

The problem is making an idol out of Luther just like the catholics make an idol out of their popes.

One should ditch the idols and denominations and... study God's Word for themselves.
you have thoroughly demonstrated that you do not know what you're talking about so please do yourself a favor and find some place to learn the facts and the truth
 

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"perserverance of the saints"
Yes, the Bible is clear on this.
or some folks are "elect" and will be saved even if they live in sin
Luther& Calvin did not teach this, nor does the Bible say this.

Obviously we disagree, but the teachings are not heresy. To some, they are heterodoxy, but again, you don't know the meaning of the word heresy.
 

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Becoming defensive is a sign of something. I'll get back with you about what that is...
If (big "if") Christianity was a crime, there would never be enough evidence to convict you.
 

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If (big "if") Christianity was a crime, there would never be enough evidence to convict you.
Regarding Aaron, I wouldn't normally question someone's standing in Christ just because we disagree on some things.

However, Aaron's profile says he's NOT a Christian.
It says he was saved in the past, but he's not a Christian... I have no idea what this means.

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i grew up in Church and knew how to play the role well.
turned 18 and ran as fast as possible and got involved with things that are not good.
how God works in time, tragedy, brought me back to God.
woke me up.
got me going and stronger than ever.
i could see things, understand, etc etc
it was things my Grandfather passed to me, when i was 8, he had me place my right hand under his right thigh [like isaac to jacob, jacob to his sons/grandsons], and asked God for a Double Portion of what my Grandfather was well known for throughout America in Pentecostal Churches.
the Bible just came ALIVE and continues so.


but, i was Rogue.
i was still looking like the pit i had crawled out of.
hadn't changed appearance but was really gaining Godly Knowledge.
was seeing true Miracles that Others were able to witness and verify.
thought life was perfect.

then one day, i wondered, if things were working like they do, and I see God Majestically, what would it be like to multiply that by being with Like Believers.

still a fan of Walking with God Alone, but am loving what God does, that is even Greater, when Seeing it happen in a Gathering of Like Believers.
 
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you have thoroughly demonstrated that you do not know what you're talking about so please do yourself a favor and find some place to learn the facts and the truth
Lutherism is fake gospel...


Yes, the Bible is clear on this.
Actually, God's Word contains warnings that Christians can in fact lose their salvation if they turn away from the Lord man sin.



the teachings are not heresy. To some, they are heterodoxy, but again, you don't know the meaning of the word heresy.
Those that engage in heresy of course are going to claim their heresy... isn't heresy! :ROFL:
 
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Yes, you should take care about that.
No... taking care is not biblical so I don't engage in that sort of thing.

1 Peter 5:7
Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

Philippians 4:6
Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

Isaiah 26:3
Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.

Psalms 55:22
Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee: he shall never suffer the righteous to be moved.

Care (found in 2 Corinthians 11:28)
from 3307 (through the idea of distraction); solicitude: KJV -- care.

Careful (found in Philippians 4:6, 1 Peter 5:7)
from 3308; to be anxious about: KJV -- (be, have) care(-ful), take thought.
 

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Regarding Aaron, I wouldn't normally question someone's standing in Christ just because we disagree on some things.

However, Aaron's profile says he's NOT a Christian.
It says he was saved in the past, but he's not a Christian... I have no idea what this means.

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The disciples were first called Christians in Antioch. That word was only used by Peter and by Luke in Acts. Peter uses the word to write this: "Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter." which I understand to mean "Even if they disparage you by calling you Christian, rejoice because they associate you with Him". Then, Luke recounts the use of ”Christian” by King Agrippa, the last Herodian ruler, in his conversation with Paul.

It wasn’t until the 2nd century that the church, fully ensconced in Roman tradition, began using the term to describe themselves.

In the scriptures, we are called “sons of God”, "Children of God", "believers", "saints", etc. In none of the epistles do the writers refer to the readers as "Christians". We are children of God. It is the only identity that signifies our lineage, standard of living, and birthright. We are made sons in Christ. We are not merely “followers of Christ” or “little Christs” according to the tradition of pagan philosophers. We are His body: the flesh and bones of the only Begotten of the Father.

So no, because of the way I see it, "Christian" does not work for me.
 
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The reason why they were calling them Christians was because they were acting like followers of Jesus.

Since we are predestined to be conformed to His Image (Romans 8:29), and we are told to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1) it's not a bad term at all.
 
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He dont even know what heresy means.
Uh huh.... teaching that is in opposition to the whole counsel of God.... is heresy

Such as baby baptism the lutherns engage in, that's a good example of heresy.

Claiming "perseverance of the saints" where those that live in sin go to Heaven anyway... is another example of heresy

Here's some more luthern heresies...


Q. What good does this eating and drinking do?

A. These words tell us: ``Given for you'' and ``Shed for you to forgive sins.'' Namely, that the forgiveness of sins, life, and salvation are given to us through these words in the Sacrament. Because, where sins are forgiven, there is life and salvation as well. —Martin Luther

No mention of repentance which God's Word teaches... this leads people to think they can continue in sin and it'[s all good, when it's NOT!


"Q. What is confession?

A. Confession has two parts:

First, a person admits his or her sin

Second, a person receives absolution or forgiveness from the confessor, as if from God Godself, without doubting it, but believing firmly that his or her sins are forgiven by God in Heaven through it." —Martin Luther

No mention of repentance which God's Word teaches... this leads people to think they can continue in sin and it'[s all good, when it's NOT!


"Our prayer should include the Mother of God…What the Hail Mary says is that all glory should be given to God, using these words: "Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus Christ. Amen!" You see that these words are not concerned with prayer but purely with giving praise and honor… We can use the Hail Mary as a meditation in which we recite what grace God has given her. Second, we should add a wish that everyone may know and respect her… He who has no faith is advised to refrain from saying the Hail Mary." (Personal Prayer Book, 1522).
—Martin Luther

This is idolatry to call upon Mary... God's Word does not teach to do this.
 
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Uh huh.... teaching that is in opposition to the whole counsel of God.... is heresy

Such as baby baptism the lutherns engage in, that's a good example of heresy.

Claiming "perseverance of the saints" where those that live in sin go to Heaven anyway... is another example of heresy

Here's some more luthern heresies...


Q. What good does this eating and drinking do?

A. These words tell us: ``Given for you'' and ``Shed for you to forgive sins.'' Namely, that the forgiveness of sins, life, and salvation are given to us through these words in the Sacrament. Because, where sins are forgiven, there is life and salvation as well. —Martin Luther

No mention of repentance which God's Word teaches... this leads people to think they can continue in sin and it'[s all good, when it's NOT!


"Q. What is confession?

A. Confession has two parts:

First, a person admits his or her sin

Second, a person receives absolution or forgiveness from the confessor, as if from God Godself, without doubting it, but believing firmly that his or her sins are forgiven by God in Heaven through it." —Martin Luther

No mention of repentance which God's Word teaches... this leads people to think they can continue in sin and it'[s all good, when it's NOT!


"Our prayer should include the Mother of God…What the Hail Mary says is that all glory should be given to God, using these words: "Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus Christ. Amen!" You see that these words are not concerned with prayer but purely with giving praise and honor… We can use the Hail Mary as a meditation in which we recite what grace God has given her. Second, we should add a wish that everyone may know and respect her… He who has no faith is advised to refrain from saying the Hail Mary." (Personal Prayer Book, 1522).
—Martin Luther

This is idolatry to call upon Mary... God's Word does not teach to do this.
I wish you knew what you were talking about.
On infant baptism. Suffer the little ones to come unto me, for such as these are the kingdom of Heaven.
Also the book of Hebrews compares baptism to circumcision which was done at 8 days old.
Also the number of entire house holds that were baptized in the book of acts. And the fact that John had Polycarp baptized as an infant...a little church history there for ya.

On the Lord's supper. Jesus told his disciples it was for the forgiveness of sin. Luther wrote extensively about repentance. In this case he is writing about communion.

Absolution, Jesus told his disciples before He ascended, " what ever sins you forgive on earth they are forgiven in Heaven.

On Hail Mary this isnt about praying to Mary if you bother to read what is written it is about giving glory to God for the grace that He gave Mary. In that she gave borth to Jesus by the grace of God, and as scripture says all will call her blessed.