Transgenderism and our Churches

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beaglehound

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Of course. But many, well intentioned, cave into the LGBTQ agenda. Others viciously verbally attack.
Sharing the gospel yes but as believers our right to do so is being threatened. For example there is the cake baker who refused to prepare a wedding cake for a day couple. He was sued. Can't remember the eventual outcome but he was sued.

I don't know if you have kids or grandkids but what would you do if your kids' public school were required to fly the pride LGBTQ rainbow flag outside the school? Should Christian parents allow drag queen shows in the elementary school gymnasium in the name of inclusivity?
 

oyster67

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Of course. But many, well intentioned, cave into the LGBTQ agenda. Others viciously verbally attack.
Sharing the gospel yes but as believers our right to do so is being threatened. For example there is the cake baker who refused to prepare a wedding cake for a day couple. He was sued. Can't remember the eventual outcome but he was sued.

I don't know if you have kids or grandkids but what would you do if your kids' public school were required to fly the pride LGBTQ rainbow flag outside the school? Should Christian parents allow drag queen shows in the elementary school gymnasium in the name of inclusivity?
Go the separation route if at all possible. (Home schooling? Church school?)

2 Corinthians 6:17
“Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,”

Remember the faith of those who came before us. They would not bend nor bow. Some paid the ultimate price (far more than just being sued.) If times get tough here, Father will give us grace for the moment.

Hebrews 10:34
“For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.”
 
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beaglehound

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Go the separation route if at all possible. (Home schooling? Church school?)

2 Corinthians 6:17
“Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,”

Remember the faith of those who came before us. They would not bend nor bow. Some paid the ultimate price (far more than just being sued.) If times get tough here, Father will give us grace for the moment.

Hebrews 10:34
“For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.”
We may well be going the home schooling route Oyster67. Two of our grandchildren are in grades 2 and 4. In our community Pride Day was "celebrated" in their school. Now it is Pride MONTH! We will be pulling the kids out on the 1st of June
We are sick and tired of government interference. Schools are no longer learning institutions. They have become indoctrination clinics. And our children are being brainwashed and suffering for it.
 
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A must see video is:
" A Biblical Response to the Transing of America." by Pastor Gary Hamrick.

As I watched this video I found it riveting. I believe every professing Christian needs to see it.

Wokeism is attacking the very fabric of our society. No clearer is this than the transgender movement. One of the greatest challenges facing the church today is how to respond to the transgendered community.

How should a congregation respond to a transsexual male or female who wants to partake in worship? Should the person be quietly ushered to the back of the church or worse asked to leave? Should the congregation be "accepting" of the individual yet whispered and murmuring? Does one allow one's young ones to interact or do we play the avoidance game?
More practically speaking, what bathroom should the person be permitted to use?

What if the person wishes to be baptized, become a member, or offer to teach Sunday school.
How should the church respond to a young couple walking into the sanctuary holding hands. A couple who are lesbian or gay?

There are biblical responses to such questions and unfortunately such issues can be divisive.

If you choose to respond to this topic please keep to the topic which is how to respond to the transgender movement as it pertains to our churches. If you quote scripture by all means but please choose one or two and not post reems and reems.
We need to get one thing straight: wokeism is a form of Marxism, and Marx, in turn, was an antichrist inasmuch as his father converted to Christianity (probably superficially), so that Marx grew up in the Church, having even written school project theses about it, but abandoned it, and became a satan worshipper, and perverted its themes.

Marxism is a solution in search of a problem--the problems it says it solved were already solved.

Read "Marx: Prophet of Darkness". He never became an atheist. By all appearances, he remained a satan worshipper. https://info2.sermon-online.com/english/RichardWurmbrand/Marx_Prophet_Of_Darkness_1986.pdf
 

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The top leaders of the Republican and Democrat parties are working together to establish the new age movement in society.

The United Nations supports new age organizations, and is with them as well as Science.

America and Russia has been working together the whole time.

The nations are working together and any conflicts is a scare tactic to drive the people of the world together to work for peace on Earth.

When the New Age Christ starts working in the world he will push the agenda of the new age movement which he will think to change times and laws.

The plan is to change the current belief system of the world of a personal God, and heaven, to the new age movement belief system which exalts people to evolve to be spiritual, and a god, and there is no personal God.

The new age movement had a hand in the 1960's counter culture movement to get them away from the 1950's attitude.

This caused the behavior in society to accept the Woke movement.

This will cause the behavior in society to accept the new age movement.

Then they will accept the New Age Christ.

They push transgenderism for population reduction.

They influence children with the LGBTQ community, and transgender for population reduction.

Also so they will be accepting of the Woke movement.

And to pervert the children so they will not care about morals, and Christianity, and the concept of a God.

The 1960's counter culture movement caused a behavior in society that caused the youth to be insecure, and have low self esteem, for they do not feel important, and a nobody, so they crave attention, and to be special.

So they will accept the Woke movement for the attention, and to exalt themselves, going against mainstream society saying they are bad, and they are good.

They also compete with each other and try to be as unique as possible because it makes them feel special.

The new age movement wants them to believe they can be the opposite gender, both genders, or no gender, and they can have any pronoun the want to create the mindset they can be whatever they want to be for then they can convince them they are evolving to be spiritual, and a god.

They are using the Woke movement as a combatant weapon against the Republicans saying they are toxic, and bad, and oppressive, for they want to get as many people as possible to shun the Republican party so the new age movement can start influencing society more.

But the top leaders of the Republican party are part of the plan.

They want a one world government that is a balance between democracy and communism, and a one world religious system that is a balance between atheism and spirituality, their higher power nature the God of forces.

But people will choose one side or the other and not both systems so they set up 2 opposing forces, and then they harmonize them together with a balance between them, and it brings the people together with a new system.

Hence Republican and Democrat parties, 2 opposing forces, and America and Russia, 2 opposing forces.

The new age movement follows Lucifer believing he is a god, and an alien, that gave mankind intelligence, and will help the world to have peace, and advance, and evolve to be spiritual, and a god, along with the New Age Christ.

They do not believe Lucifer is a fallen angel because they do not believe in a God.

They interpret the Bible according to the occult and evolution, and people are still evolving to be spiritual, and a god, and there is no God.

When the Bible says Lucifer fell they say he did not fall in to sin and disgrace, but he descended from Venus to Earth to bring the principle of mind to the then animal-man.

They talk of hostile aliens, and good aliens, among us, and will stage a fake attack of hostile aliens on Earth, and make it look like Lucifer and the aliens with him defeated them, and saved Earth, so they can get the world to trust Lucifer and the aliens with him, and convince the world that he is not a fallen angel.

They push being a transgender for population reduction which when the nations governments come together they will not allow a man and a woman to come together for population reduction which they do not believe they need to continue the human race by birth for they will evolve to be spiritual, and a god, in which they will live forever.

The Bible says some shall depart from the faith and follow their interpretation of the Bible, and the time will come people will not want to hear the Bible according to the truth, but their own lusts, which is the new age movement.

The new age movement is the beginning of the end for God is ready to end sin on Earth.
 

Magenta

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Kindly add you comments since some of us do not watch posted videos (myself included).
Changing your gender identity using drugs/hormones and surgery does not change you as a person.

Two different people (one M->F and one F->M) attest to this in this episode of Focus on the Family.
 

Nehemiah6

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Changing your gender identity using drugs/hormones and surgery does not change you as a person.
But is that really true? When a normal person goes off into a perversion by choice. that person is all messed up. Physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually. That is a very serious change. It is like those who resorted to LSD. They were very seriously messed up.
 
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beaglehound

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What resonated with me the most was Grace saying she was happy transitioning from female to male and had no desire to go back but because her love for Jesus was stronger than her desire to be a man she de- transitioned. That was awesome!
 

Magenta

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But is that really true? When a normal person goes off into a perversion by choice. that person is all messed up. Physically, emotionally,
mentally, and spiritually. That is a very serious change. It is like those who resorted to LSD. They were very seriously messed up.
I guess they mean they are the same person they were before transitioning... they may present differently
but deep down inside nothing changes. Both were returning to their original gender. But I did not have
time to watch the whole show before leaving for work this morning... so I may have missed something.
 

Ted01

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Share the Gospel with them just like we share the Gospel with everybody else. The root problem with them is the same as the root problem with every other man since Adam.
A noble position... truly.

I must ask though... if you were to witness to a trans-person and they demanded that you not refer to them by the sex that they were born with at birth, but rather what they have transitioned to, would you?
 
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beaglehound

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Changing your gender identity using drugs/hormones and surgery does not change you as a person.
If by that you are saying their sexuality does not change, I agree. But in terms of personality and character the person's often does change. Often less anxiety, less depression, more emotional. In the video, Grace fully admitted she was more content as a male than in her assigned gender. This is because she experienced changes to her person.
 

Magenta

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If by that you are saying their sexuality does not change, I agree. But in terms of personality and character the person's often does change. Often less anxiety, less depression, more emotional. In the video, Grace fully admitted she was more content as a male than in her assigned gender. This is because she experienced changes to her person.
That was just the impression I got from them after watching part (1/4) of the video earlier today...

My apologies if my impression was wrong...
 
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beaglehound

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A noble position... truly.

I must ask though... if you were to witness to a trans-person and they demanded that you not refer to them by the sex that they were born with at birth, but rather what they have transitioned to, would you?
Out of respect for the person I would.
 

Magenta

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Of course. But many, well intentioned, cave into the LGBTQ agenda. Others viciously verbally attack.
Sharing the gospel yes but as believers our right to do so is being threatened. For example there is the cake baker who refused to prepare a wedding cake for a day couple. He was sued. Can't remember the eventual outcome but he was sued.
That was a ridiculous case from start to finish because the gay couple was demanding a product the baker
did not have on offer for sale, and praise God the baker won in the courts, in fact, the judges were appalled.


In short the gay couple were acting like bullies trying to force the baker to make
them something that was not on his menu, just because he was a Christian.
 
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beaglehound

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That was just the impression I got from them after watching part (1/4) of the video earlier today...

My apologies if my impression was wrong...
No problems Magenta.🙂 I think when they say "I'm still the same person" they are meaning they are still the assigned gender they were assigned at birth no matter how much surgery or hormonal therapy they have undergone. Some choose to live with it and make do. Others choose to de-transition. Others appear to be content transitioning.
 
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beaglehound

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That was a ridiculous case from start to finish because the gay couple was demanding a product the baker
did not have on offer for sale, and praise God the baker won in the courts, in fact, the judges were appalled.


In short the gay couple were acting like bullies trying to force the baker to make
them something that was not on his menu, just because he was a Christian.
Thanks for reminding me about the verdict.
 

CS1

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Kindly add you comments since some of us do not watch posted videos (myself included).
Her name is
Kindly add you comments since some of us do not watch posted videos (myself included).
Her name is Cathy Grace, I met he a year ago and heard her testimony of How Christ got ahold of her and delivered her from The lie of transgenderism and overcoming her identity crises.

Cathy lived as a man for 15-20 years. She explained very well to me and others there how this came to be and that she saw all women ask weak through her mother's inability to deal with an abusive husband and father. She knew that at an early age, she did not want to be a woman. But those adults in her life took advantage of her. She has a very powerful testimony and Trangenderism is not about sex.

The leading cause of much of it: 1. abuse at an early age, 2. exposed to pornography, 3. bad mentors, i.e., parents, teachers, and pastors.
 
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beaglehound

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Thanks for reminding me about the verdict.
That was the case: Masterpiece Cake Shop vs Colorado Civil Rights Commission Dec 2017. The commission actually ruled against the cake shop. The owner took it to the Supreme Court and won.

The gay couple believed they were being discriminated against. Though the owner was asked to make a custom cake , the owner objected to what they wanted on the cake.