Predestination; are fates set in some cases?
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It is literally word for word from the site I provided.
Listen. You know what you posted and what you removed from to original post to make it seem like your original writing. It’s embarrassing that you are pushing the issue. I have no issue with sharing what others have written but it is appropriate to share the source.
Listen. You know what you posted and what you removed from to original post to make it seem like your original writing. It’s embarrassing that you are pushing the issue. I have no issue with sharing what others have written but it is appropriate to share the source.
I put Bullingers words in quotes, I also put his tag ~ EW Bullinger at the end, and I also left links… You are a liar!
So you claim I posted word for word… Then you claim I removed words… Well if I removed words then it can’t be word for word. 🤦
For the record I don’t care what you’re ok with, also people on here are pretty sharp it would foolish to pretend someone else’s words are my own. All one has to do is copy the words and insert them into a Google search… You accuse me and insult my intelligence, And you lie to support your accusations, aren’t you something special.
So you claim I posted word for word… Then you claim I removed words… Well if I removed words then it can’t be word for word. 🤦
For the record I don’t care what you’re ok with, also people on here are pretty sharp it would foolish to pretend someone else’s words are my own. All one has to do is copy the words and insert them into a Google search… You accuse me and insult my intelligence, And you lie to support your accusations, aren’t you something special.
And to prove you are a liar…. What I posted can be found in the Companion Bible appendix 146…. So what words did I remove????
146. "THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD."
To arrive at the true meaning of this expression, we must note there are two words translated "foundation" in the New Testament:
The Noun, katabole, occurs in Matt. 13:35; 25:34. Luke 11:50. John 17:24. Eph. 1:4. Heb. 4:3; 9:26; 11:11. 1Pet. 1:20. Rev. 13:8; 17:8; and the corresponding Verb (kataballo) occurs in 2Cor. 4:9. Heb. 6:1; and Rev. 12:10. A comparison of all these passages (especially 2Cor. 4:9, and Rev. 12:10) will show that kataballo and katabole are not the proper terms for founding and foundation, but the correct meaning is casting down, or overthrow.
Consistency, therefore, calls for the same translation in Heb. 6:1, where, instead of "not laying again", the rendering should be "not casting down". That is to say, the foundation already laid, of repentance, &c., was not to be cast down or overthrown, but was to be left -- and progress made unto the perfection. Accordingly, the Noun katabole, derived from, and cognate with the Verb, ought to be translated "disruption", or "ruin".
The remarkable thing is that in all occurrences (except Heb. 11:11) the word is connected with "the world" (Gr. kosmos. Ap. 129. 1), and therefore the expression should be rendered "the disruption (or ruin) of the world", clearly referring to the condition indicated in Gen. 1:2, and described in 2Pet. 3:5, 6. For the earth was not created tohu (Isa. 45:18), but became so, as stated in the Hebrew of Gen 1:2 and confirmed by 2Pet. 3:6, where "the world that then was by the word of God" (Gen. 1:1), perished, and "the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word "were created (Gen. 2:4), and are "kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment" (2Pet. 3:7) which shall usher in the "new heavens and the new earth" of 2Pet. 3:13.
"The disruption of the world" is an event forming a great dividing line in the dispensations of the ages. In Gen. 1:1 we have the founding of the world (Heb. 1:10 = themeliou), but in Gen. 1:2 we have itsoverthrow.
This is confirmed by a further remarkable fact, that the phrase, which occurs ten times, is associated with the Preposition apo = from (Ap. 104. iv) seven times, and with pros = before (Ap. 104. xiv) three times. The former refers to the kingdom and is connected with the "counsels" of God; the latter refers to the Mystery (or Secret. See Ap. 192) and is connected with the "purpose" of God (See John 17:24. Eph. 1:4. 1Pet. 1:20).
Ample New Testament testimony is thus given to the profoundly significant fact recorded in Gen. 1:2, that "the earth became tohu and bohu (i.e. waste and desolate); and darkness was on the face of the deep", before the creation of "the heavens and the earth which are now" (2Pet. 3:7).
146. "THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD."
To arrive at the true meaning of this expression, we must note there are two words translated "foundation" in the New Testament:
(1) themelios, and
(2) katabole.
The Noun, themelios, occurs in Luke 6:48, 49; 14:29. Acts 16:26. Rom. 15:20. 1Cor. 3:10, 11, 12. Eph. 2:20. 1Tim. 6:19. 2Tim. 2:19. Heb. 6:1; 11:10. Rev. 21:14, 19. It is never used of the world (kosmos) or the earth (ge). The corresponding Verb (themeliou) occurs in Matt. 7:25. Luke 6:48. Eph. 3:17. Col. 1:23. Heb. 1:10 and 1Pet. 5:10. The verb is only once used of the earth (ge). Heb. 1:10. A comparison of all these passages will show that these are proper and regular terms for the English words "to found", and "foundation".(2) katabole.
The Noun, katabole, occurs in Matt. 13:35; 25:34. Luke 11:50. John 17:24. Eph. 1:4. Heb. 4:3; 9:26; 11:11. 1Pet. 1:20. Rev. 13:8; 17:8; and the corresponding Verb (kataballo) occurs in 2Cor. 4:9. Heb. 6:1; and Rev. 12:10. A comparison of all these passages (especially 2Cor. 4:9, and Rev. 12:10) will show that kataballo and katabole are not the proper terms for founding and foundation, but the correct meaning is casting down, or overthrow.
Consistency, therefore, calls for the same translation in Heb. 6:1, where, instead of "not laying again", the rendering should be "not casting down". That is to say, the foundation already laid, of repentance, &c., was not to be cast down or overthrown, but was to be left -- and progress made unto the perfection. Accordingly, the Noun katabole, derived from, and cognate with the Verb, ought to be translated "disruption", or "ruin".
The remarkable thing is that in all occurrences (except Heb. 11:11) the word is connected with "the world" (Gr. kosmos. Ap. 129. 1), and therefore the expression should be rendered "the disruption (or ruin) of the world", clearly referring to the condition indicated in Gen. 1:2, and described in 2Pet. 3:5, 6. For the earth was not created tohu (Isa. 45:18), but became so, as stated in the Hebrew of Gen 1:2 and confirmed by 2Pet. 3:6, where "the world that then was by the word of God" (Gen. 1:1), perished, and "the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word "were created (Gen. 2:4), and are "kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment" (2Pet. 3:7) which shall usher in the "new heavens and the new earth" of 2Pet. 3:13.
"The disruption of the world" is an event forming a great dividing line in the dispensations of the ages. In Gen. 1:1 we have the founding of the world (Heb. 1:10 = themeliou), but in Gen. 1:2 we have itsoverthrow.
This is confirmed by a further remarkable fact, that the phrase, which occurs ten times, is associated with the Preposition apo = from (Ap. 104. iv) seven times, and with pros = before (Ap. 104. xiv) three times. The former refers to the kingdom and is connected with the "counsels" of God; the latter refers to the Mystery (or Secret. See Ap. 192) and is connected with the "purpose" of God (See John 17:24. Eph. 1:4. 1Pet. 1:20).
Ample New Testament testimony is thus given to the profoundly significant fact recorded in Gen. 1:2, that "the earth became tohu and bohu (i.e. waste and desolate); and darkness was on the face of the deep", before the creation of "the heavens and the earth which are now" (2Pet. 3:7).
Word for word without the reference. Try to keep up.
Anyone can go to the site, which you claim you never visited, scroll down and find two posts written by Rick Kelly from June 12, 2013 which are word for word what you posted EXCEPT the reference to the Companion Bible. How is that possible if not for copy/paste.
https://christinprophecyblog.org/2013/06/creation-training-the-age-of-the-earth/
Why do you persist in this? Why not simply say “my bad, I’ll include the references next time” ? I accused you of nothing.
Anyone can go to the site, which you claim you never visited, scroll down and find two posts written by Rick Kelly from June 12, 2013 which are word for word what you posted EXCEPT the reference to the Companion Bible. How is that possible if not for copy/paste.
https://christinprophecyblog.org/2013/06/creation-training-the-age-of-the-earth/
Why do you persist in this? Why not simply say “my bad, I’ll include the references next time” ? I accused you of nothing.
I never went to the site… here is one of the sources… long before 2013
https://levendwater.org/companion/append146.html
Here is another, out long before 2013
https://www.companionbiblecondensed.com/AP/Ap_list.htm
Here is a church that sells the Bible, that have been around longer than 2013
https://www.google.com/search?q=she...BixAxiDARjHARivARgK&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp
Amazon
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Genre
King James Version, Study, BIBLES
Contributor
Bullinger, E. W.
Item Dimensions LxWxH
6.25 x 1.6 x 9.25 inches
Brand
Kregel Publications
Publication Date
August 4, 1994
Now is that the same site… NO it is not!
You foolish person, I have had the Companion Bible well before 2013…. As a matter of fact I’ve utilized this appendix for reference many times before 2013…. You are indeed a liar of men.
2013…. 😂😂😂😂
The Companion Bible has been a trusted resource for personal Bible study for almost a century. Originally published in six parts from 1909 to 1922, this classic study Bible, in its print edition, featured a two-column format, with Scripture on the left and notes on the right, covering Genesis through Revelation.
You say I took from something published in 2003, but the appendix has been out since 1922… Now do you see how dumb you sound..
And I’m holding the Bible at this moment… You doubt me, a simple FaceTime call could prove what I’m saying… You up for it? Of course not… liars retreat from truth.
Now you can go cheerlead on Magnetas post, liars like to make friends quickly when they’re called out.
https://levendwater.org/companion/append146.html
Here is another, out long before 2013
https://www.companionbiblecondensed.com/AP/Ap_list.htm
Here is a church that sells the Bible, that have been around longer than 2013
https://www.google.com/search?q=she...BixAxiDARjHARivARgK&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp
Amazon
DetailsDetails
Genre
King James Version, Study, BIBLES
Contributor
Bullinger, E. W.
Item Dimensions LxWxH
6.25 x 1.6 x 9.25 inches
Brand
Kregel Publications
Publication Date
August 4, 1994
Now is that the same site… NO it is not!
You foolish person, I have had the Companion Bible well before 2013…. As a matter of fact I’ve utilized this appendix for reference many times before 2013…. You are indeed a liar of men.
2013…. 😂😂😂😂
The Companion Bible has been a trusted resource for personal Bible study for almost a century. Originally published in six parts from 1909 to 1922, this classic study Bible, in its print edition, featured a two-column format, with Scripture on the left and notes on the right, covering Genesis through Revelation.
You say I took from something published in 2003, but the appendix has been out since 1922… Now do you see how dumb you sound..
And I’m holding the Bible at this moment… You doubt me, a simple FaceTime call could prove what I’m saying… You up for it? Of course not… liars retreat from truth.
Now you can go cheerlead on Magnetas post, liars like to make friends quickly when they’re called out.
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Predestination; are fates set in some cases?
The Church, as a corporate body, is predestined for Heaven.
The believer, after he has died in Christ, is predestined for Heaven.
The unbeliever, after he has died without Christ, is predestined for hellfire.
Ecclesiastes 9:4
“For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.”
The Church, as a corporate body, is predestined for Heaven.
The believer, after he has died in Christ, is predestined for Heaven.
The unbeliever, after he has died without Christ, is predestined for hellfire.
Ecclesiastes 9:4
“For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.”
But I'm sure that you can.
The Bible is about Jesus and His precious gift of salvation which He has made freely available to all.
Lets focus on what the Bible says happened...
Man's sin set the stage for what Jesus did.
1 Peter 3:18
“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:"
Jesus died for the unjust, not some predestinated master class who were born saved.
The Bible is about Jesus and His precious gift of salvation which He has made freely available to all.
Lets focus on what the Bible says happened...
Man's sin set the stage for what Jesus did.
1 Peter 3:18
“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:"
Jesus died for the unjust, not some predestinated master class who were born saved.
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Amen. 
The Bible makes clear that the concept of a predestined elect is related to the fact that God has foreknowledge of who will choose Him.
1 Peter 1:2
“Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.”
This in no way implies that any man is exempt from having to make a decision. Calvinism is a doctrine of devils.
The Bible makes clear that the concept of a predestined elect is related to the fact that God has foreknowledge of who will choose Him.
1 Peter 1:2
“Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.”
This in no way implies that any man is exempt from having to make a decision. Calvinism is a doctrine of devils.
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You accused me of plagiarizing something from 2013, not only have I not visited the website you mentioned, I have no idea who the man is who wrote it.
Sparky? You have no idea bruh, but I’m working on that.
You accused me, I don’t need to prove my innocence, you need to prove my guilt.
You have the burden of proof, such rules are set in place for the innocent to protect themselves against liars and false accusers.
Now tell me what words aren’t mine so I can tell you to prove they are not mine to make you out to be the fool you are.
While you're at it, tell me how long you’ve been an alcoholic? I say at least 15 years. Now prove to me you're not a 15 year alcoholic.
Sparky? You have no idea bruh, but I’m working on that.
You accused me, I don’t need to prove my innocence, you need to prove my guilt.
You have the burden of proof, such rules are set in place for the innocent to protect themselves against liars and false accusers.
Now tell me what words aren’t mine so I can tell you to prove they are not mine to make you out to be the fool you are.
While you're at it, tell me how long you’ve been an alcoholic? I say at least 15 years. Now prove to me you're not a 15 year alcoholic.
The Spirit has come in and made covenant seal. The Spirit will uphold His side of the Covenant, but this does not preclude apostacy on the part of the believer. The Prodigal Son must choose to return to the Father. Repentance has been made available, but it must be exercised whenever necessary. Perhaps daily.
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