Israel Declares War

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ZNP

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Sure we can. We didn't use them to initiate war. We used them in response to aggression.
1. We attacked Iraq because of phony reasons, that is aggression. They had nothing to do with 9/11

2. The Pandemic was a bioweapon from Wuhan. The rest of the world is coming to grips with that regardless of what the mainstream media wants to say and they are realizing that was an attack on the world by the US.

3. The vaccine is causing an increase in deaths by 5% with each shot you get, another gift from the US.

4. Blowing up the Nordstream pipeline was an act of war by the US.

Everyone in the world has an excuse to attack the US and if we blow up Iran's oil refineries that would be one more act of aggression.
 

ZNP

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One thing you have to give the Middle East credit for

No one on earth can hold a grudge as long as they can.
 

Cameron143

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1. We attacked Iraq because of phony reasons, that is aggression. They had nothing to do with 9/11

2. The Pandemic was a bioweapon from Wuhan. The rest of the world is coming to grips with that regardless of what the mainstream media wants to say and they are realizing that was an attack on the world by the US.

3. The vaccine is causing an increase in deaths by 5% with each shot you get, another gift from the US.

4. Blowing up the Nordstream pipeline was an act of war by the US.

Everyone in the world has an excuse to attack the US and if we blow up Iran's oil refineries that would be one more act of aggression.
I agree that the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. But when Iraq tried to assassinate the President, that itself was an act of war.
America certainly has its share of blame for Covid and all things related. But you can't implicate America without also implicating China. I don't see that happening here. That means the real blame in America is for not holding those accountable who have done this.
Blowing up the pipeline was a response to Russian acts of war against a nation we by treaty agreed to protect.
Having said all this, I'm not naive about how other nations will view these things. And America's reputation around the world has been severely eroded,with both our enemies and our allies. But I assure you, if we are attacked, I will object regardless of how sound you or anyone else thinks their reasoning may seem.
 

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I agree that the invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. But when Iraq tried to assassinate the President, that itself was an act of war.
America certainly has its share of blame for Covid and all things related. But you can't implicate America without also implicating China. I don't see that happening here. That means the real blame in America is for not holding those accountable who have done this.
Blowing up the pipeline was a response to Russian acts of war against a nation we by treaty agreed to protect.
Having said all this, I'm not naive about how other nations will view these things. And America's reputation around the world has been severely eroded,with both our enemies and our allies. But I assure you, if we are attacked, I will object regardless of how sound you or anyone else thinks their reasoning may seem.
Right now we have 100k people dying a year from Fentanyl from China. This is simply pay back for the Opium war. God is not mocked, you reap what you sow.

The CIA was called the Cocaine Importing Agency. You don't think the world saw that and now we are reaping what we have sowed?
 

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Right now we have 100k people dying a year from Fentanyl from China. This is simply pay back for the Opium war. God is not mocked, you reap what you sow.

The CIA was called the Cocaine Importing Agency. You don't think the world saw that and now we are reaping what we have sowed?
I agree we are reaping what we have sown. Do you believe there were gain of function labs operating in China with US funding and Chinese authorities were unaware?
 

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I agree we are reaping what we have sown. Do you believe there were gain of function labs operating in China with US funding and Chinese authorities were unaware?
China is also going to reap what they sow. Do you really think blood up to the bridles of the horses would come from Americans? We don't have enough people to fill that valley that deep.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Exceedingly difficult to even hear. Reporter talking about Palestinians cutting off babies heads. No video thankfully.

Satan is having a field day. You can almost picture him laughing.

https://x.com/HenMazzig/status/?s=20

CC you need a heart broken in two emoji. A woman was found dead with her baby beside her still attached be umbilical cord. Satanic. This is the second Holocaust. And that old fart in office has said nothing!!! Sickening!
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Because when people are scared, they are easy to control. When people are enraged, they are looking for blood.
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You have nothing at all to back up your conspiracy theories. None! And frankly it's disgusting to say these things without proof.


Look how you, a Christian, have posted trying to justify the killing of innocent (Palestinian) civilians.
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Oh so you're making me look like a blood thirsty terrorist now. smh They are NOT innocent. Palestinians, so called, are protesting here in the US and what are they chanting? From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free". What do they mean by that?? That's not Hamas, that's civilians!! They keep electing them into power while use Israel each and every day. They go to their schools, colleges, their businesses and hospitals for care. All the while naming streets after terrorists that kill a Jew. Do not say Palestinians are innocent they aren't!! They have no right to the land they are standing on! That land Biblically and historically belongs to the Jews. No, they are a political make up of Arabs to try and push Israel into the ocean. NOT innocent!! This wasn't the military fighting military, they murdered innocent civilians.


Imagine how much more powerful that affect would be if the dead/wounded were your countrymen. Netanyahu absolutely has a very strong motive for such a false flag attack - he wants to stay in power, and he wants to go to war.
Baloney! I can't stand the sight of Biden and as much of bumbling idiot I think he is I would never accuse him of trying to get Americans killed on purpose to stay in office. Nor Obama for that matter. I don't believe this junk for a second.
 

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CC you need a heart broken in two emoji. A woman was found dead with her baby beside her still attached be umbilical cord. Satanic. This is the second Holocaust. And that old fart in office has said nothing!!! Sickening!
Not true, actions speak louder than words, he had a barbecue for the Whitehouse staff.
 

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That is a misuse of what was said. As you have done it will be done unto you includes judging others and having vengeance on others. The Lord is very clear "vengeance is mine, I will repay"

Romans 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Hebrews 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

Psalm 58:10 The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.

I look to the Lord to judge and take vengeance because I know that He is much better at it than I am.

Psalm 94:1 O Lord God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself.

I pray for the Lord to judge, and to show Himself, and for justice on evil doers. But I am not the judge nor am I the one who avenges himself. I am a witness and God is the judge.

Psalm 149:7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;

When I preach the gospel I let them know, there is a carrot and there is a stick. Our job is to present the gospel of forgiveness to people and salvation from the coming judgement, not to short circuit the coming judgement. Last week I drove through Washington, down to the Columbia gorge, then up through Idaho and Utah and into Wyoming and South Dakota. During that entire drive I could see the geologic evidence of the great flood. Yes, the Bible tells us how big it was, but to see it up close, to realize how massive, how violent, how all encompassing it was. That was breathtaking. The Columbia gorge has evidence that the flood waters were 1,000 feet deep coming through the gorge. No one could escape. God will take care of everything, our job is to snatch people out of the fire while we still can. I was in Portland Oregon for six days and helped to hand out 21,000 bibles to people on the street. We have been called to be witnesses not judges and not avengers.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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That is a misuse of what was said. As you have done it will be done unto you includes judging others and having vengeance on others. The Lord is very clear "vengeance is mine, I will repay"

Romans 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Hebrews 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

Psalm 58:10 The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.

I look to the Lord to judge and take vengeance because I know that He is much better at it than I am.

Psalm 94:1 O Lord God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself.

I pray for the Lord to judge, and to show Himself, and for justice on evil doers. But I am not the judge nor am I the one who avenges himself. I am a witness and God is the judge.

Psalm 149:7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;

When I preach the gospel I let them know, there is a carrot and there is a stick. Our job is to present the gospel of forgiveness to people and salvation from the coming judgement, not to short circuit the coming judgement. Last week I drove through Washington, down to the Columbia gorge, then up through Idaho and Utah and into Wyoming and South Dakota. During that entire drive I could see the geologic evidence of the great flood. Yes, the Bible tells us how big it was, but to see it up close, to realize how massive, how violent, how all encompassing it was. That was breathtaking. The Columbia gorge has evidence that the flood waters were 1,000 feet deep coming through the gorge. No one could escape. God will take care of everything, our job is to snatch people out of the fire while we still can. I was in Portland Oregon for six days and helped to hand out 21,000 bibles to people on the street. We have been called to be witnesses not judges and not avengers.

Then again America should be punished for Hiroshima and every defense they have done since the country was formed.
 

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Come on, how can we debate when you can't even get the facts right? It was 3 buildings in one day. Funny how that third one collapsed, eh? If you looked into it, you'd find it was actually funny how all of them collapsed into their own footprints - exactly like they would were they controlled demolitions. What are the odds of that?

But the collapse of the third building should tell you that something is wrong with the government conspiracy theory, as there were only two planes - if you hadn't already figured out that something was wrong about aircraft penetrating through steel buildings.

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two tower and the Pentagon= 3
 

CS1

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Do you believe in miracles?

Even more incredible those three towers brought down by two planes were the only three steel framed towers to ever collapse due to fire! Imagine coming up with a plan with so little chance of success! Even more amazing is that the fire from jet fuel usually would only last for about fifteen minutes or so, and yet, just like the miracle of Hanukkah, the fire at ground zero burned for 100 days and it burned at 2,000 degrees F, another miracle. So many miracles.
OK, "conspiracy Guy," You do not know much about fire. And I have no time for foolishness.
 

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Not sure what you mean.

But how in the world were the terrorists able to gain entry into Israel? Was there a slackening of Israeli vigilance? And what about Israeli intelligence ahead of this attack? Did their intelligence agency fail to see what was going on in preparation for this massive attack? It seems that there was some kind of internal failure within Israel to allow this to happen.

However, I believe that Netanyahu now has no choice. It has to be all out war to the finish. The question is "Who will help Israel?" The whole world has poured countless billions into Ukraine (a no-win situation) but will they all now come to the aid of Israel?
They wont need help annihilating some Hamas folks with pretty much no real military capabilities compared to Israel

But as a military guy myself, doing a land invasion of Gaza is going to be deadly, they will succeed, but it will be costly. Entering into a hostile tightly packed city of rubble........ its gonna be full of ambushes, full of resistance from everyone (including women), lots of explosives, lots and lots of danger going in there. But it has to be done, we can only pray they get the job done with little to no lives lost and get the hostages back