Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

[selahsays]

I don't understand why we would need to seek anything like codes or hidden knowledge in the Bible.

. . .
Yes, especially since Jesus never told us to search out secret messages in His Word. Rather, in 2 Timothy 2:15, it is written Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[Underwhosewings]

How do you answer people who rightfully accuse the Bible of being corrupt?

John 3:3 KJV
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Isaiah 44:18 KJV
They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.
1 John 4:2,6,13 KJV
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
[6] We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
[13] Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

The Bible is just another book to those who are not born again.

Romans 10:17,20 KJV
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

[20] But Esaias is very bold, and saith,

I was found of them that sought me not;

I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

 

[Dino246]

Usually one can look at both "BlueLetterBible" and "BibleHub" to see what differences there are between manuscripts;
but in the case of these two verses, both BLB and B-Hub show the same distinctions in the Hebrew (between these two verses)... so what would a translator do in this case, purposely fudge one of verses (so that they'll "match" each other)?;
or should they translate them from the Hebrew AS THEY ARE [apparently, according to these sources, below]?


2Kings8:26 -
-- BLB - https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2ki/8/26/ss1/t_conc_321026
--BibleHub - https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_kings/8-26.htm



2Chron22:2 -
--BLB - https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2ch/22/2/t_conc_389002
--BibleHub - https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_chronicles/22-2.htm






So, is it really that the "translation" is incorrect; or is it that the actual Hebrew (in each of these two verses) is actually different for whatever reason?

I’m well aware of the issues, but thanks. I point out the facts simply to demonstrate that the KJV contains a clear contradiction; an error. The origin of the error is irrelevant to the point. That it is still present belies the idea that God were as involved in the development of the KJV as the OP proposes.

 

[montana123]

Even if we did have prophecies in the bible about things you said, we would still need faith that 1. God is good and 2, that it wasn't Satan who wrote the bible. Those who have faith in God still need faith in scripture, otherwise why would you believe the bible and not Quran?

Also, you DON'T know what's true or not, so why are you claiming "none of that is true" where is your proof?

We have to have faith to be saved, but the Bible says God identifies Himself as the one true God because He told us the end from the beginning which he said no person would be able to do that.

 

[Sipsey]

Recently I came across this video on Youtube where the guy uses software to count number of occurrences of certain words in the bible and the King James version is just FILLED completely with all kinds of secret messages.

I downloaded the software (King James Pure Bible Search) and went to work... so far I found prophet Muhammad's birth and death year

I looked up all occurrences and variations of the words false, prophet and Ishmaelite. I got 633 occurences in 570 verses.

false|falsely|falsehood
prophet|prophet's|prophets|
ishmaelite|ishmael|ishmael's|ishmaelites

Now I'm wondering if it's just a coincidence/confirmation bias.

The guy's Youtube channel has a lot of other videos with countless other encoded formulas that make it just about impossible to dismiss the whole thing as coincidence or conspiracy.

Years back a fellow claimed to have developed software that searched sequential letters to form “secret” codes and messages. He made a lot of money from his book. It was debunked, but resurfaces occasionally as something New.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

So which version in your opinion is 100% God's word, because they can't all be.

the Bible, Itself, is TWO BOOKS separated by Covenants.
therefore, it's no offense to God, to be using the Tanakh, for the Old Covenant, and the Aramaic, for the New Covenant, and the Koine Greek for Paul's Letters.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

So which version in your opinion is 100% God's word, because they can't all be.

actually, they ALL can be God's Word.

remember, the Holy Spirit Inspired the Bible to be written. and unfortunately, it [[was NOT]] God, Who translated it.

it was regular human beings like You and myself.

so, even though, many mistakes have been made, the "general body of work" of the Bible can be completely understood. it's ALL about the Gospel of Jesus, the Good News, the Kingdom of God has Arrived [Message].

but between the "Translated Versions of the Bible," there are clearly some better than others. overall, for the [most part], they ALL, generally promote the Gospel of Christ, and His Shed Blood upon the Cross. so, it's a toss up.


but for me, it's the Language it was ""originally"" written in [[BEFORE]] being translated.
OT = Tanakh (Hebrew)
NT = Aramaic (Aramaic/Hebrew)
Paul's Letter's = Koine Greek (Koine Greek)

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

the shortest Verse in the Bible is:
Jesus Wept!

second shortest is:
Rejoice Evermore!

what's the Hidden Code, for, "Jesus Wept?"

the Hidden Code for Jesus Wept..........is..........Lazarus Died!

 

[hornetguy]

Get ready for angry, ignorant people

and you wonder why you get called out for being a sarcastic, snarky rectum..... I don't think I can use the normal term for that.

Anyone that disagrees with you is angry and ignorant... yep.... good approach, kid.

 

[hornetguy]

I don't know which version is 100% correct (and neither do you) this is why I'm trying to find out. And at this point I'm not sure if you're trying to help or just trolling.

I'm certainly not trying to help you in your delusion.... you keep harping about the billions of people asking you which version is 100% correct.... if you don't know which one is, you might as well give up....

Plus, I already told you which ones I thought were correct....

 

[Locoponydirtman]

the Hidden Code for Jesus Wept..........is..........Lazarus Died!

Lazarus died, plus Jesus wept plus Jesus called out to Lazarus equals ressurection.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Lazarus died, plus Jesus wept plus Jesus called out to Lazarus equals ressurection.

AMEN!

 

[Dino246]

How do you know which one is correct?

Irrelevant. They cannot both be correct, therefore one of them is incorrect, therefore the KJV has an error.

 

[NTNT58]

There is no evidence. You can't disprove something that doesn't exist.

The formulas are there on your screen, you can say they don't exist, but that doesn't change the fact they do exist and you've proven nothing so far.

 

[NTNT58]

Searches for secret, hidden knowledge reminds me of Genesis 3 verse 5.
I don't understand why we would need to seek anything like codes or hidden knowledge in the Bible.
Sounds like an old idea wearing a new cloak. That's Gnosticism.
Proverbs 30 verses 5-6.

Gnosticism is about supernatual, hidden knowledge. This is not hidden knowledge, this is the Bible. We are using plain Bible text to uncover deeper meaning of the Bible.

 

[NTNT58]

Irrelevant. They cannot both be correct, therefore one of them is incorrect, therefore the KJV has an error.

That's not how logic works! The burden of proof is on you. You said there are errors in KJV, so you're the one who was to prove that the KJV is the one with errors.

 

[NTNT58]

John 3:3 KJV
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Isaiah 44:18 KJV
They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.
1 John 4:2,6,13 KJV
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
[6] We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
[13] Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

The Bible is just another book to those who are not born again.

Romans 10:17,20 KJV
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

[20] But Esaias is very bold, and saith,

I was found of them that sought me not;

I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

I understand faith comes by hearing and that it's the holy spirit that saves, but you haven't answered the question - how should one respond when people ask about inerrancy of the Bible? Do you know which Bible is the true word of God, without errors, because they can't all be, they contradict each other.

 

[FRB72]

 

[NTNT58]

We have to have faith to be saved, but the Bible says God identifies Himself as the one true God because He told us the end from the beginning which he said no person would be able to do that.

Quran also has prophecies that came true throughout history. I understand it's faith, and the holy spirit that saves, but you still need to have knowledge of scripture.

 

[NTNT58]

Years back a fellow claimed to have developed software that searched sequential letters to form “secret” codes and messages. He made a lot of money from his book. It was debunked, but resurfaces occasionally as something New.

Yes, I've read about it, he was just using randomly selected letters throughout the Bible, this has nothing to do with it. The formulas in the video use specific words, not random letters.