How can one learn?

[Rainrider]

without Christ, sure, every Jew is still under the Law, and therefore cursed by it, absolutely hopeless, condemned and having no salvation.
they have their certificate of divorce.

i would not reccomend seeking the same fate for yourself or for others.

So even though Yeshua told us that nothing will pass from the Law until Heaven and Earth pass, is is still reomve? Please useing Mat. 5:17-18 to show how that worked out.

 

[posthuman]

That isn't an answer. You have disregared the fact that Yeshua said THINK NOT.

the answer is that the scripture is abundantly clear that Christians are not under Moses's law.

pretty sure i have said and demonstrated this several times in this thread.

 

[posthuman]

with no Temple there can be no sacrifice.

please be clear:

• is it your position that the only reason animal sacrifices to atone for sin are sinful presently, is that there is no temple in Jerusalem today?
• if a temple were to be rebuilt, a red heifer found, a Levite line to be retraced and a Levite priest to be appointed, is it you position that a Christian would be required to keep the sacrifices commanded in the Sinai covenant Law (through the Levite priesthood)?

 

[posthuman]

Still waiting on a reply to Mat. 5:17-18

dunno why you're waiting. you've been answered a dozen times.

 

[posthuman]

Wrong, as you now live and breath you are still living.

scripture says i have died.

you, thinking only of the flesh, say i have not.

guess who is speaking falsely, you or God?

2 Timothy 2:11​

This is a faithful saying: ​

for if we died with Him, ​

we shall also live with Him.​

 

[posthuman]

Wrong, as you now live and breath you are still living.

is the Law spiritual or carnal?

Romans 7:14​

We know that the law is spiritual​

 

[posthuman]

So even though Yeshua told us that nothing will pass from the Law until Heaven and Earth pass, is is still reomve? Please useing Mat. 5:17-18 to show how that worked out.

i do not think you read the reply you quoted.

Here it is again:

without Christ, sure, every Jew is still under the Law, and therefore cursed by it, absolutely hopeless, condemned and having no salvation.
they have their certificate of divorce.

i would not reccomend seeking the same fate for yourself or for others.

Colossians 2:11-17​

In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with [Him] through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. ​

And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. ​

And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.​

 

[Rainrider]

the answer is that the scripture is abundantly clear that Christians are not under Moses's law.

pretty sure i have said and demonstrated this several times in this thread.

And yet as we know scirpture can't stand in conflict with scripture. So to place any scripture in conflict with the fact that Yeshua said the law will not pass away places one in a difficult position. You find that you must do 1 of 2 things, remove the plain meaning of one passage to fit one's understanding of the other, or change one's understanding in a way so that both work together. As it is, you have avoided a direct answer to my question.

 

[Rainrider]

please be clear:

• is it your position that the only reason animal sacrifices to atone for sin are sinful presently, is that there is no temple in Jerusalem today?
• if a temple were to be rebuilt, a red heifer found, a Levite line to be retraced and a Levite priest to be appointed, is it you position that a Christian would be required to keep the sacrifices commanded in the Sinai covenant Law (through the Levite priesthood)?

One more time. And this is clear, if you will simply take a look at the answer.
NO GENTILE can enter the INTER COURT. The inter court is where the ALTER will be. So eeven if a gentile wanted to, they have no way to give an offering.
Does this mean that we should stand in the way of the Hebrew people to follow Torah? Not even close. As you can see my stand will not change no matter how many times you ask.

 

[Magenta]

So even though Yeshua told us that nothing will pass from the Law until Heaven and Earth pass, is is still reomve?

The law remains to condemn those who are not covered by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ.

 

[Rainrider]

is the only reason it is sin now for a properly ordained, appointed and purified Levite to make a sacrifice of blood on behalf of anyone, according to the statutes given in detail in Leviticus, because there is currently no temple in Jerusalem?

One more time with a bit more detail. The high priest must from the line of Arron. As the Torah is clear there is only one place that sacrifices are to offered, that is the on the alter of HaShem, with must be in the place He picked, and placed His name.

 

[Rainrider]

The law remains to condemn those who are not covered by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ.

And yet still condems them that sin, even after they turn to Yeshua. Trust me even the most righteous person in the world sins. I do thank you for being brave enough to say it hasn't been removed.

 

[Magenta]

And yet still condems them that sin, even after they turn to Yeshua. Trust me even the most righteous
person in the world sins. I do thank you for being brave enough to say it hasn't been removed.

Nobody is saved by following the law, and Christians are no longer under it. No condemnation for those in Christ!

Galatians 3:23-25

Romans 8:1-2; 5:57 + 58b

 

[Magenta]

Colossians 2:13-14

 

[Rainrider]

Nobody is saved by following the law, and Christians are no longer under it. No condemnation for those in Christ!

Galatians 3:23-25

Romans 8:1-2; 5:57 + 58b

As I never said one can be saved by the Law I don't see that as point needing to be made. As for no condemnation for "christains" does that mean if one turns their life over to Yeshua, they can go on live a life of sin? After all they are not under the law.

 

[Magenta]

As I never said one can be saved by the Law I don't see that as point needing to be made. As for no condemnation for "christains" does that mean if one turns their life over to Yeshua, they can go on live a life of sin? After all they are not under the law.

People will inevitably sin. Anything not of faith is sin.

Do you possess/proclaim sinless perfection?

The Holy Spirit convicts the believer of righteousness, and God chastises those He loves.

 

[evyaniy]

whoa. intense color burst above.

 

[Magenta]

whoa. intense color burst above.

I have reclaimed the rainbow! It is, after all, a symbol of God's promises .

 

[Inquisitor]

I came so close to posting something that I may have regretted later down the road. The following is a revised version of that post.
I came to this forum seeking answers. I found out so much about today's religion that explains a lot.
First I found that it seems we have a following of church doctrine over the True Word. As has been made clear in almost every thread I opened. As if your church doctrine holds more truth.
Second, it seems that being a true follower of the True Word, must be shunned at all cost.
The True Word is clear on this, and the words made me ask. Do I truly know? Or am I following what tickles the ear? 2Tim. 4:3-4
Not an exact quote mind you. However it does convey the same idea, and understanding.
As not many people on here has the spirit of worrier as the Word is clear we are called to be, or has the fortitude to even try, I feel for you all. You will be in my prayers in hopes that HaShem, or Yahovah will find a way to lead you to truth. His Truth.
Yeshua when he called out the Pharisees may well have been speaking to religious leaders of today. Again not an exact quote. What he said not an easy thing to swallow.
He called the sons of Satan, hypocrites, teaching man's doctrine as if it was HaShems own. Mat.15:7-9
What so many on here wish to do is push away any that see things in a different light. Wishing to persent themselves as knowing more than they really do. Yet when pressed on a topic, they say they know so well, can't or won't even try to make the other see how they are wrong. It's kind of like telling some one they were speeding, when they were doing 35 in a 40mile an hour zone. You say it, yet when asked your only reply is, Because I said so. Ok not in those words, yet by not engaging on a topic you brought forth, you may as well say it that way.
So now I ask you, if you wish to be the teacher you are in your own mind, why hide from it?
Rather than turn to name calling, belittlement, or be dismissive, why not engage? It gives you the chance to teach, and learn. Yet on here it as though the one that stands a lone prevails simply by asking how your teaching is in context with the Whole of the Word. As for myself, I welcome any challenge to my understanding. As it opens the door to seeing how I may be wrong. That in turns makes me a better teacher, and student.
What it doesn't do is show how right I am. You see once we take on the thinking of ME, MY CHURCH, and so on, we leave the True Word behind in favor of my thoughts, my church, and so on.
As true followers, we should have a hunger to learn, and a thirst for truth. Though for many the quest for understanding stops at the door of their church. They don't study the word, and many don't read it at all. Oh they have it with them, and may even open it when the pastor gives a passage. Then they just blindly follow what ever is told to them.
Once more, in closing, I came here to learn more than I think I know. I came to seek truth. Something that is not forthcoming in a place that one would think it should be. If one follows what the Word truly says, they are called names, belittled, and so on. Yet nothing of substance is ever offered up.
I have seen people say they know the Word, and have mesmerized most of the Bible, or N.T. That's all good, if you have a true understanding of it. Yet is made pointless if you know it, and don't follow it. So will someone please explain to me, why do say you hold more understanding, yet are so unwilling to debate most topics, when you see something wrong with a teaching or understanding?

There are a multitude of different interpretations of the New Testament.

I will give you an example. Just in Eschatology there are ten mainline interpretations that I have seen. The scripture that can be quoted on Eschatology is a handful of chapters, from a few letters. A verse here and there in other letters, and the book of Revelation. That is not a lot of scripture. Yet we have ten interpretations available. Care to explain how that is even possible?

 

[evyaniy]

I have reclaimed the rainbow! It is, after all, a symbol of God's promises .

you ain't justa kiddin. using a projector which is an 8 foot wide by 6 foot image on the wall with excellent color and clarity. when paging down or up to one of your works, the whole wall lights up with color. The blend you used on Colossians 2:13-14 is awesome. All those colors compliment each other and make a great blend. They really are beautiful.

Paintings with Scripture verses. talk about living color.