Israel Declares War

[Locoponydirtman]

There is no nation called Palistine. So who's land was taken?

At the time there was. England had separated that land into 3 separate nations as part of the cease fire. Those three individual nations were Jordan, Israel, and, Palestine.

 

[cv5]

The Palestinian perspective is my perspective. I was a wild olive tree and I was grafted into the olive tree. I do not support the tree, but rather the tree and root support me. If the Palestinians embraced this attitude they could have and would have been grafted into Israel, but they rejected it. Obviously, that does not refer to all Palestinians as there are some who are Pastors and preachers and have been saved. So instead they have taken the approach that Gamaliel warned against saying "if this is of man it will fall apart, but if it is of God you cannot fight it otherwise you will find yourself fighting with God".

My advice to the Palestinians, be humbled under the mighty hand of God.

Also.....think of the scenario of the Gibeonites. Sue for peace and receive mercy. And salvation BTW.
The Gibeonites (who are Hivites) were perhaps the most faithful group in all the OT.
Definitely saved.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Apartheid isn't the gold standard for how one should treat their citizens. But then of course, lets recall what Benjamin Netanyahu said... "Israel is not a state of all its citizens... Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people - and only it." Initially, they said the lock down on the territory obtained from the 6 Day War was going to be "temporary"... 50+ years later, it's still on lock down.

Israel is not an apartheid state. And context is everything. I research before I speak. This comment was said to an actress that Benji was having an ongoing conversation online with. It has meaning. If you want to know the ins and outs of it check the link.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/understanding-israel-s-nation-state-law

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

No. Im trusting many videos of people who live there telling their stories over many years. Not bought and paid for propaganda network stooges who lie so much the truth would burn their mouths.

Listen, I get what you are saying, I'm no fan of the MSM. But certain things are just facts. Hamas has murdered over a thousand Jews. Just dragged them out of their homes or left them in there and killed entire families. And there are Youtube videos of Jewish people telling these horrific stories of what happened to them. And the news has shared them. Tell me you at least believe that!

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

What did i brag about?
Caring about human suffering? I hope as Christians we all care about human suffering. I am sure you do as well.

I didn't say you bragged, I said we are not to brag. Yes, I care about human suffering, but I also care about facts. And Hamas are terrorist and should be wiped off the map.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

This is true. The Ultra Orthodox Jews point this out as well, but the secular Zionist Jews ignored them and pushed for it 50 years before Israel was founded. The Torah teaches that their Messiah must come first before they come back from exile. All of this is confusing and doesn't make any sense to displace modern-day inhabitants and steal their homes. I'm saying homes and not land because the land has been promised by God, but not at the expensive of having to steal homes. For some reason, many (not all) Christians don't seem to care. Unfortunately, we have to be worried about being cancelled by stating facts which show Israel contradicts themselves.

I'm also certain that the Torah doesn't condone apartheid on Palestinians either.

Smoke I have factually shown you that Israel is not an apartheid nation. I really wish you would stop pushing propaganda. Yes, Christians should care, but they need to care about the truth and facts. You pushing the false narrative of apartheid, it's simply a lie.

 

[HeIsHere]

Hamas has murdered over a thousand Jews.

Wrong.

6407 Palestinians have been killed




308 Israelis have been killed







Approx 1, 400 have been Palestinian children since 2008

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

People can have whatever view they like as far as I'm concerned. I'm trying to figure out why they hold the view. Some are very heavily emotionally involved and I'm trying to understand why.

From my world view I see that both Biblically and historically the land belongs to the Jews. I have given facts and they have been flat out ignored. There is propaganda as old as time that people keep spewing. Israel is an apartheid state. I gave 10 facts why it is not, totally ignored. See people say they want facts but then ignore them when they are shared. I gave a map showing the Biblical land Abraham was promised, the fact lovers denied that. They say Palestine is occupied, and I say, no it's not a country, it never has been and it therefore cannot be occupied, facts, ignored again. Then they say that Israel is committing genocide, there are 0 facts to back that up. Israel has given civilians more than one notice to flee and are not seeking civilians. I mention the horrific things that have been done and that news reporters are moved to tears, no thats all bull and fake. I find it staggering and unbelievable that will all the instant ways we can get to the truth, that we can look back in history and find the truth, that we can see first hand witnesses of horrors happening a world away that people are less knowledgeable, more to believe made up conspiracies and spread propaganda than our parents were who didn't have half the information we have now. Stunning! Just like the Holocaust they are denying it, again.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

One state is not a solution. That would ensure continuous warfare. Look through history. Every time different ethnic groups are forced to share a common piece of dirt, either one groups destroys the others, or the groups separate themselves.

Arabs have turned down every offer of land while others around them accepted. What can you do? 4x they have refused. You can lead the proverbial horse to water...

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The land belongs to God, He can give it to who He wishes, we don't have any right to divide His land.

He already did that, it's called the Abrahamic Covenant.

 

[HeIsHere]

Israel was never and end in itself.


https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxkhSXM9j54uZqr6tVSMl1ICmSQ7cLCWSa?si=8DQcM4wVoMlQyAqf

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

certainly looks like ethnic cleansing to me.

It isn't, that was what Hamas did.

You asked me a question a couple days ago about Hamas using civilians as targets, it's such a tough question because I'm genuinely "pro-life". All I can definitively state is that if there are 2 million civilians in a little strip of land, don't bomb the garbage out of it knowing you're going to kill children. Use a more discriminate way to kill the Hamas militants... Warn them ahead of time, send ground troops in, etc...

Which is what Israel is doing.

 

[HeIsHere]

Pastor David Curtis rightly divides God word. Our allegiance is to Christ and His Church.

 

[HeIsHere]

@NightTwister unleashes his fury!!!

 

[NightTwister]

Here you go. You fell for the emotional propaganda. The original picture was of a rescue dog. The question you should ask yourself, if any of the claims being made are true, is why would the Lamestream media and governments need to lie about any of it? It is to buy your emotional engagement, so you support the conflict they want to have.

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I'm not aware King David ever executed or killed anyone based on propaganda or lies, although he had many opportunities.

No, he killed someone because he wanted his wife.

 

[NightTwister]

@NightTwister unleashes his fury!!!

Dislikes for thee but not for me?

 

[HeIsHere]

Dislikes for thee but not for me?

Knock yourself out... CC holds little value in my life, it used to cool, fun place where I actually learned from others but they have all left or been banned.

Oh and there is no proof btw.

 

[NightTwister]

Knock yourself out... CC holds little value in my life, it used to cool, fun place where I actually learned from others but they have all left or been banned.

Oh and there is no proof btw.

It's seems to bother you or you wouldn't have mentioned it. The proof is out there for those who choose to find it.
Have a great evening!

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Listen, I get what you are saying, I'm no fan of the MSM. But certain things are just facts. Hamas has murdered over a thousand Jews. Just dragged them out of their homes or left them in there and killed entire families. And there are Youtube videos of Jewish people telling these horrific stories of what happened to them. And the news has shared them. Tell me you at least believe that!

I am aware that Hamas is quite evil. They hate Christ and Christians.

 

[HeIsHere]

It's seems to bother you or you wouldn't have mentioned it. The proof is out there for those who choose to find it.
Have a great evening!

It bothers me to the extent that this place had far less miserable people years ago and it is obvious you are just lashing out.

Oh please there is no proof, post your proof.
I'll be waiting.