Not anywhere close to what we see happening in the Book of Revelation.
Will we see the hand of GOD fighting for Israel in Gaza?
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We are told that 25% of the world's population will die and following that 33% of those who remain will die. Nothing even close to that happened during 70AD. The book of revelation describes an army of 200 million. That is approximately the estimated population of the entire world in 70AD.
It is absurd to try and tie the things that Revelation refers to with 70AD and with the Lord's word about this being the worst tribulation in human history.
Revelation describes one world leader who is able to control what every person on earth can buy or sell. That has never happened before in human history and as little as 50 years ago was still inconceivable how it could happen.
Practically speaking it was impossible as little as two or three years ago. Not until we had quantum computers, Starlink, digital currency and rfid chips was this even potentially possible. We still need one world currency and one world government, but at least at this time we can see how it could take place.
"Therefore when YOU see the 'abomination of desolation.'"
He is talking to his disciples.
He said when "YOU" see the "abomination of desolation."
He was neither referring to the Jews in general nor to the Jews of some future generation.
Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. Matthew 24:20 ESV
Are you under a strict Sabbath Law?
Revelation 9:16
New International Version
The number of the mounted troops was twice ten thousand times ten thousand. I heard their number.
New Living Translation
I heard the size of their army, which was 200 million mounted troops.
English Standard Version
The number of mounted troops was twice ten thousand times ten thousand; I heard their number.
Berean Standard Bible
And the number of mounted troops was two hundred million; I heard their number.
Berean Literal Bible
And the number of the armies of the cavalry was twice ten thousand ten thousands; I heard the number of them.
King James Bible
And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
New King James Version
Now the number of the army of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them.
New American Standard Bible
The number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them.
NASB 1995
The number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them.
NASB 1977
And the number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them.
Legacy Standard Bible
And the number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them.
Amplified Bible
The number of the troops of cavalry was twice ten thousand times ten thousand (two hundred million); I heard the number of them.
Christian Standard Bible
The number of mounted troops was two hundred million; I heard their number.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
The number of mounted troops was 200 million; I heard their number.
American Standard Version
And the number of the armies of the horsemen was twice ten thousand times ten thousand: I heard the number of them.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And the number of the army of the horsemen was two-ten thousand ten thousands, and I heard their number.
Contemporary English Version
By listening, I could tell there were more than 200,000,000 war horses.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And the number of the army of horsemen was twenty thousand times ten thousand. And I heard the number of them.
English Revised Version
And the number of the armies of the horsemen was twice ten thousand times ten thousand: I heard the number of them.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
The soldiers on horses numbered 20,000 times 10,000. I heard how many there were.
Good News Translation
I was told the number of the mounted troops: it was two hundred million.
International Standard Version
The number of cavalry troops was 200,000,000. I heard how many there were.
Literal Standard Version
and the number of the forces of the horsemen—twice ten thousand ten thousands, and I heard the number of them.
Majority Standard Bible
And the number of mounted troops was a hundred million; I heard their number.
New American Bible
The number of cavalry troops was two hundred million; I heard their number.
NET Bible
The number of soldiers on horseback was two hundred million; I heard their number.
New Revised Standard Version
The number of the troops of cavalry was two hundred million; I heard their number.
New Heart English Bible
The number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million. I heard the number of them.
Webster's Bible Translation
And the number of the army of the horsemen was two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Weymouth New Testament
The number of the cavalry was two hundred millions; I heard their number.
World English Bible
The number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million. I heard the number of them.
Young's Literal Translation
and the number of the forces of the horsemen is two myriads of myriads, and I heard the number of them.
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Locoponydirtman
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Thats not about a human army. Nor is that language literal, nor is it about the warning Jesus issued in Mathew.
Also as a partial preterist there are things still yet to come.
Jesus is till yet to return
So? I said none of those things. I simply provided the verse you asked for... .
This was meant for the Jews in Israel when this happens. The Jews will be the target of the Anti-Christ.
How were they going to see what happens in the Holy of Holies? They were not priest, they were not allowed in the Holy of Holies, so Jesus was talking to a future group, who would be able to see inside the Holy of Holies
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Locoponydirtman
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The Jews are not the anti-christ. Jesus spoke of the PERSON the Anti-Christ.
Okay sure, when you use the word "YOU" you are actually referring to someone in the future cause that is how we talk.
I already mentioned the "abomination that causeth desolation" is the cruxification of Jesus, the disciples saw it.
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Locoponydirtman
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He said there will be many anti Christs, and I didnt say the. I said they are anti Christ, as in against Christ.
Yes, some of the verses are referring to the temple being destroyed in 70AD, some verb tenses are present and some are future. Some refer to the gospel being preached in the whole earth, some refer to the nations, the unbelievers, and some to the future.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Referring to 70 AD
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
3 questions and He answers all three.
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
One war can take 100 years. When you include rumors of war a 7 year war can easily be ten years. These verses describe the entire church age, not just the forty years from the crucifixion to 70 AD. He is clearly referring to multiple wars between multiple nations and kingdoms. There have been multiple famines these last two thousand years, multiple pestilences.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
This certainly refers to the apostles, but not just them. All but John were dead when Roman emperors were doing this to many believers and this has gone on for the entire 2,000 years. Yes, it was spoken to the apostles and happened to the apostles, but this word can apply to all believers during the last two thousand years.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Yes, we can learn from history but at the same time this is what is described taking place during the tribulation and we have certainly seen the world moving in this direction recently.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
All nations? The Bible doesn't exaggerate. This word was not fulfilled by the apostles. Only recently could it even be suggested that it might be fulfilled now since the Bible is translated into hundreds of languages and with the internet it may be that the word has been preached in "all nations". The word doesn't actually say "preached in all nations" it says "unto all nations". There are nations where preaching is illegal, but they cannot prevent the internet and Youtube and other ways for the gospel to reach them. But it is Christians that preach the gospel, not Jews.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
This word is clearly to the Jews and specifically to those living in Judaea. This is to those keeping the sabbath. "Great tribulation" refers to the last 3 1/2 years of the 70th week, that is when God's wrath is poured out. The Christians are gone by this time.
So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ a spoken of through the prophet Daniel—Okay sure, when you use the word "YOU" you are actually referring to someone in the future cause that is how we talk.
I already mentioned the "abomination that causeth desolation" is the cruxification of Jesus, the disciples saw it.
It takes place in the Holy of Holies.
That is confusing because "anti christ" does not mean against Christ. It means "in place of Christ".
So your Bible is not literal? Why would you say that?
If the 200 million man army is not human what difference does it make, there was never a 200 million "man" army or whatever in 70 AD.
The word in Daniel can be translated the "winged idol". That is not referring to Jesus crucifixion.Okay sure, when you use the word "YOU" you are actually referring to someone in the future cause that is how we talk.
I already mentioned the "abomination that causeth desolation" is the cruxification of Jesus, the disciples saw it.