Eastern Orthodoxy is not Talmud Pharisaism (Mishnaism).

[Scotth1960]

Scott.. Who cares if he feels secure enough to tell us where he lives or not? For all we know he could live in a muslim nation where claiming to be a christian would get you killed. I probably would not say it either.

Stick to the facts of scripture. where he comes from does not matter.

We are not to fear those who can kill the body. We are to fear Him Who can kill both the body and soul in hell.
I do stick to the facts of Scripture. We are saved by God's mercy (Titus 3:5) by faith which worketh through love (Galatians 5:6), not by faith alone (James 2:24), but by faith hope and love (1 Cor. 13:13), and love is greater than faith.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We are not to fear those who can kill the body. We are to fear Him Who can kill both the body and soul in hell.
I do stick to the facts of Scripture. We are saved by God's mercy (Titus 3:5) by faith which worketh through love (Galatians 5:6), not by faith alone (James 2:24), but by faith hope and love (1 Cor. 13:13), and love is greater than faith.

Thanks for totally ignoring the post which really has eternal consequences. And responding to this one only, which has no eternal value.

I feel sorry for you Scott. I truly do.

 

[jonathanbchristian]

I think people should know that Eastern Orthodox is also called the Orthodox Catholic Church. That would help alot of us protestants understand what your church is.

 

[Scotth1960]

Thanks for totally ignoring the post which really has eternal consequences. And responding to this one only, which has no eternal value.

I feel sorry for you Scott. I truly do.

So, what am I ignoring? What is the Gospel, according to you? Don't feel sorry. Tell the truth. I haven't heard the truth from you yet.

 

[Scotth1960]

I think people should know that Eastern Orthodox is also called the Orthodox Catholic Church. That would help alot of us protestants understand what your church is.

Where is the Protestant Reformation predicted in the Bible?
Why would the true Church need to be Reformed? If the Roman papacy is not the true Church, and is an error, then trying to reform an error leads to another error. If the papacy is the Antichrist, and you try to reform the Antichrist, you get a Reformed Antichrist.
Schism produces schism; heresy produces heresy.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So, what am I ignoring? What is the Gospel, according to you? Don't feel sorry. Tell the truth. I haven't heard the truth from you yet.

what are you ignoring? My God Scott are you for real?? You did not even respond to this post.

No Scott. Martine Luther did not say a dead faith was no faith at all. GOD DID. Luther even tried to have James thrown out. so you can't say this came from him!
IT does not matter who interprets dead to mean dead. It is not a private interpretation it is Gods word.

Your right his mercy does not leave us without works. But it is not works which saves us, it is salvation which brings about works (eph 2: 8-10) This is what James was saying.

The men he condemned had ZERO WORKS> which proved they had ZERO FAITH. If you have ZERO FAITH you have ZERO SALVATION. It is not a doctrine from men. It is a doctrine from God!

Yes. James said faith without works is dead. How much faith is a dead faith? I have asked you this already, you refuse to answer, like so many other people catholic or not who are backed into a corner because you know I am right. but your pride will not allow you to see it.

Your right, we can't earn Gods mercy by works. that means we can earn salvation by works. Which means all the sacramental works your doing which you think will grant you salvation will not grant you anything. Because God will reject those works. because you reject the ONLY work which can save you. that is the work of Christ on the cross.

Wake up my friend. before its too late!

all you did was respond to a post about where someone lived. And you want people to take you serious??

 

[Grandpa]

Where is the Protestant Reformation predicted in the Bible?
Why would the true Church need to be Reformed? If the Roman papacy is not the true Church, and is an error, then trying to reform an error leads to another error. If the papacy is the Antichrist, and you try to reform the Antichrist, you get a Reformed Antichrist.
Schism produces schism; heresy produces heresy.

Didn't we all need to be reformed at one time or another? Weren't we all against Christ at one point in our lives? When Jesus comes and cleanses us and gives us new life aren't we able to see Truth? Did Jesus cause our schism to become more schism?

 

[Scotth1960]

what are you ignoring? My God Scott are you for real?? You did not even respond to this post.



all you did was respond to a post about where someone lived. And you want people to take you serious??

I didn't talk personal.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I didn't talk personal.

you still did not respond to what I posted. what are you scared of Scott?? Why are you being like Johnathonchristian and VW and run every time someone someone asks you a specific question. or shows something which does not support your view??

You can't tell someone they are wrong without telling them why! Running like you are doing only makes you look childish. and again, no one will take you serious!

 

[Scotth1960]

you still did not respond to what I posted. what are you scared of Scott?? Why are you being like Johnathonchristian and VW and run every time someone someone asks you a specific question. or shows something which does not support your view??

You can't tell someone they are wrong without telling them why! Running like you are doing only makes you look childish. and again, no one will take you serious!

Dear friend:
You should not make personal statements about me. I didn't make personal statements about you.
Why are you adopting an "ad hominem" attitude?
Anyway, whatever does not agree with the Church Fathers does not agree with the NT, as the Church Fathers are the successors of the 12 Apostles and 70 disciples of Christ, and St. Paul.
Where does any Church Father teach "justification by faith alone"?
Where does any Church Father teach "sola Scriptura", by "Scripture alone."
Where does any ecumenical council teach "justification by faith alone"?
Cite any one of the seven councils of the Church from 325 AD to 787 AD to see if they teach Reformation Protestant doctrines.
I ask you a specific question: where do you get your Protestant doctrines from? Which early Church Father said anything that amounts to the solas of the Reformation, of Martin Luther and of John Calvin?
I don't want to believe any doctrine that doesn't agree with the Consensus Patrum, the consensus of the Church Fathers, the Regula fidei (the Rule of Faith), that is, the Creed of 381 AD of 318 Orthodox Church Fathers, and the teachings of the ecumenical councils held from 325 AD to 880 AD. The council of 879-880 being the eighth ecumenical council.
God bless you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Strangelove]

Defend your country of origin, Strangelove.

So your faith tells you to say that Turkey is in Namibia, and Namibia is in Turkey.

If that is true, prove it.

Scott? Do you understand that the flag is s'posed to be your "nationality' and your location is s'posed to be where you are living.

They can be different you know?

I abhor nationalism and my location is irrelevant to discussion here. So I just picked 2 at random, I didnt know you could leave them empty.

Ok? Can you stop this diversionary nonsense and actually address the deabte at hand?

Necromancy? False accusation.

Are you willing to discuss it by answering the evidence I've posted?

Idolatry? False accusation.

Are you willing to discuss it by answering the evidence I've posted?

Turkey is in Nambia; Namibia is in Turkey. False geography.

If you can't be honest about this, why would anyone believe your false witness

yawn.

about saying "Pharisaical sect/ Pharisaical cult"?

Which of the Church Fathers was a Pharisaical cult member?

Which of the Apostles was the founder of a cult?

No apostle was a cult member. What is a Church Father? I call none Father than He in Heaven.

Why don't you use your own name?

Change your name from Strangelove and maybe you will be taken more seriously.

In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

You are starting to look really silly now Scott. Address the topic without all the personal diversionary waffle.

 

[Strangelove]

Anyone who calls the Church that Christ founded a cult, necromancy, and idolatry is committing heresy and false witness against the Truth..

The EO is not the Church that Christ founded.

Its an offshoot of the temple cult.

Mushroom head.

 

[Strangelove]

EO is not a cult. You are unfair and ignorant of the truth.

so why dont you defend your erm...'group'?

Start by answering my big post above point by point and proving they are not the truth.

 

[Strangelove]

Dear friend:
You should not make personal statements about me. I didn't make personal statements about you.
Why are you adopting an "ad hominem" attitude?
Anyway, whatever does not agree with the Church Fathers does not agree with the NT, as the Church Fathers are the successors of the 12 Apostles and 70 disciples of Christ, and St. Paul.
Where does any Church Father teach "justification by faith alone"?
Where does any Church Father teach "sola Scriptura", by "Scripture alone."
Where does any ecumenical council teach "justification by faith alone"?
Cite any one of the seven councils of the Church from 325 AD to 787 AD to see if they teach Reformation Protestant doctrines.
I ask you a specific question: where do you get your Protestant doctrines from? Which early Church Father said anything that amounts to the solas of the Reformation, of Martin Luther and of John Calvin?
I don't want to believe any doctrine that doesn't agree with the Consensus Patrum, the consensus of the Church Fathers, the Regula fidei (the Rule of Faith), that is, the Creed of 381 AD of 318 Orthodox Church Fathers, and the teachings of the ecumenical councils held from 325 AD to 880 AD. The council of 879-880 being the eighth ecumenical council.
God bless you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

(Matthew 23:9) And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

 

[Scotth1960]

Scott? Do you understand that the flag is s'posed to be your "nationality' and your location is s'posed to be where you are living.

They can be different you know?

I abhor nationalism and my location is irrelevant to discussion here. So I just picked 2 at random, I didnt know you could leave them empty.

Friend
ISTM we are to love not the world; but we are to be patriots (nationalists if you will) because obeying God's governments is in the will of God according to Romans chapter 13. No matter how bad a government is, we are still to abide by all ordinances of man for conscience sake. We only disobey when a law contradicts the express will of God in the Scriptures. We are to worship only God, and render under Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's.
I'm sorry if you don't understand that the Apostles left behind successors.
In Rome, Saint Peter left behind Saint Linus.
In Byzantium, Saint Andrew left behind Saint Stachys.
These were the early Church fathers. Later, there were outstanding fathers such as Saint John Chrysostom, Saint Athanasius, Saint John of Damascus, Saint Basil, and so on.
Saint Paul was a father of the church by the Gospel.
Perhaps you should do a complete study of the entire Bible use of the word "father", "fathers", before you object to calling a priest or elder of God "father". It is entirely biblical to call someone a father in the Lord.
It is not biblical to call someone father in the sense of God. Christ said to call no man father in this sense; He didn't say to call no man father absolutely. Of course we can call our own fathers father, and our own mothers mother. There's nothing wrong with that.
God bless you.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington


Ok? Can you stop this diversionary nonsense and actually address the deabte at hand?





Are you willing to discuss it by answering the evidence I've posted?

Are you willing to discuss it by answering the evidence I've posted?


yawn.


No apostle was a cult member. What is a Church Father? I call none Father than He in Heaven.
You are starting to look really silly now S
cott. Address the topic without all the personal diversionary waffle.

Dear strangelove,
I always wonder why people talk about me personally instead of addressing the issues. I don't make personal comments on other people, but you and some of the other posters continue to make personal comments about, if not against, me personally. Why is that? If some doctrines offend people, it can't be helped. Some people are greatly offended when I say God is Three Persons.
God bless you. In Erie Scott Harrington

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Dear friend:
You should not make personal statements about me. I didn't make personal statements about you.
Why are you adopting an "ad hominem" attitude?
Anyway, whatever does not agree with the Church Fathers does not agree with the NT, as the Church Fathers are the successors of the 12 Apostles and 70 disciples of Christ, and St. Paul.
Where does any Church Father teach "justification by faith alone"?
Where does any Church Father teach "sola Scriptura", by "Scripture alone."
Where does any ecumenical council teach "justification by faith alone"?
Cite any one of the seven councils of the Church from 325 AD to 787 AD to see if they teach Reformation Protestant doctrines.
I ask you a specific question: where do you get your Protestant doctrines from? Which early Church Father said anything that amounts to the solas of the Reformation, of Martin Luther and of John Calvin?
I don't want to believe any doctrine that doesn't agree with the Consensus Patrum, the consensus of the Church Fathers, the Regula fidei (the Rule of Faith), that is, the Creed of 381 AD of 318 Orthodox Church Fathers, and the teachings of the ecumenical councils held from 325 AD to 880 AD. The council of 879-880 being the eighth ecumenical council.
God bless you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

Well scott. If you don't want someone to say something you deem a personal attack. Stop running away like a child who is backed against the wall and can not answer some questions.

Nothing you showed in this response has anything to do with what I posted.

Can you show me where ther church fathers ever showed anything dead was alive?

Or can you answer. Is a dead person alive even a little?

Is a dead computer alive?

Is a dead batter alive? can it do anything?

Can a dead dog eat, drink, play ball and be man's best friend?

and finally. You just proved I was right. You follow those so called men who you have never even met. You follow men. If this offends you or sounds like an ad hominem attack. I am sorry. I am just stating facts!

 

[Strangelove]

Dear strangelove,
I always wonder why people talk about me personally instead of addressing the issues. I don't make personal comments on other people, but you and some of the other posters continue to make personal comments about, if not against, me personally. Why is that? If some doctrines offend people, it can't be helped. Some people are greatly offended when I say God is Three Persons.
God bless you. In Erie Scott Harrington

what have I said against you personally?

I just want you to debate me on topic. But you keep bringing up blather about which flag I'm flying and which location I've entered in my options screen and my username. Who's getting personal?

 

[Scotth1960]

Scott? Do you understand that the flag is s'posed to be your "nationality'
Are you willing to discuss it by answering the evidence I've posted?

Are you willing to discuss it by answering the evidence I've posted?

yawn.

Dear strangelove,
You offered no evidence. You offered only suspicion, slander, and prejudice. You didn't speak the truth. You only made wild accusations of idolatry and necromancy and authoritarianism against the Holy Church.
You reached a conclusion which you had decided beforehand, before looking at all the evidence of Church history.
You also said nothing about John 15:26, a verse which shows the Orthodox Church is led into all the truth (John 16:13).
You offered not even one Church Father to support your views. You offered no Scripture to support your view of an "invisible church". I can check Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the KJV, but nowhere in the King James Bible is the word "invisible" used before the word "church".
God bless you.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Scotth1960]

Well scott. If you don't want someone to say something you deem a personal attack. Stop running away like a child who is backed against the wall and can not answer some questions.

Nothing you showed in this response has anything to do with what I posted.

Can you show me where ther church fathers ever showed anything dead was alive?

Or can you answer. Is a dead person alive even a little?

Is a dead computer alive?

Is a dead batter alive? can it do anything?

Can a dead dog eat, drink, play ball and be man's best friend?

and finally. You just proved I was right. You follow those so called men who you have never even met. You follow men. If this offends you or sounds like an ad hominem attack. I am sorry. I am just stating facts!

Dear friend,
If you follow "faith alone", that comes from Martin Luther, whom you have not even met. I feel no sorrow for this. I am just stating facts.
Scott in Erie

 

[Strangelove]

You offered no evidence. You offered only suspicion, slander, and prejudice. You didn't speak the truth. You only made wild accusations of idolatry and necromancy and authoritarianism against the Holy Church.
You reached a conclusion which you had decided beforehand, before looking at all the evidence of Church history.

You can only prove this by addressing the points made. Just using these words:

suspicion
slander
prejudice
accusations

....without an argument does nothing to improve your position I'm afraid.

You also said nothing about John 15:26, a verse which shows the Orthodox Church is led into all the truth (John 16:13).

Huh? This thread is about you defending EO. So defend already! Attacking protestant denominations and what they say does not help you out Scotty.

You offered not even one Church Father to support your views.

I already told you I dont recognize church 'fathers'. I call no man Father but He in heaven.

You offered no Scripture to support your view of an "invisible church". I can check Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the KJV, but nowhere in the King James Bible is the word "invisible" used before the word "church".

Lolz...I already explained that in this thread:

LINK >> What is your favorite book next to the Bible?

Last post. Your move.

Stop trying to change the subject and defend your cult. Start with vain repetitions. I posted the evidence. What say you?

(and yer not allowed to just say "Lie!")

If you dont start debating this then every new thread you open to disseminate EO propaganda will be accompanied with a post by me with a link to this thread and a challenge to defend the cult you keep pushing on the flock.