Steam Engine With A Water Heater & Generator

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aalligator45

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Okay, all the mechanics, electricians, and engineers, please hear me out on this. What if we took a steam powered car, replaced the coal/wood and water with a water heater and 20000kwh generator, would it work. I found this basic diagram of a steam car.

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According to this diagram, you can see some coal, a combustion chamber, a water tank, and steam. If the entire purpose of the combustion is to heat the water, why not just combine the two with a water heater and hook up a generator to the water heater. Please explain why or why not this would work, I'
 

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Hell I’m still praying for someone to setup some trailer trucks with shower/tub bathrooms and washers n dryers so homeless folks could do their laundry n take showers. Was thinking inline water heaters, hold tanks. And another trailer with a coffee bar and snacks and recliners because sometimes folks just need a comfy chair and a cup of joe while they come together or sit with God. I keep playing the lottery hoping He’ll bless me so I can do these things. Pray I win 🤣
 
Lynx

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aalligator45 said:
Okay, all the mechanics, electricians, and engineers, please hear me out on this. What if we took a steam powered car, replaced the coal/wood and water with a water heater and 20000kwh generator, would it work. I found this basic diagram of a steam car.

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According to this diagram, you can see some coal, a combustion chamber, a water tank, and steam. If the entire purpose of the combustion is to heat the water, why not just combine the two with a water heater and hook up a generator to the water heater. Please explain why or why not this would work, I'
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As I understand it, you are trying to make a perpetual motion or "free energy" machine that will generate electricity by heating its own water with its own power to generate more power? Let me know if I got your intent wrong.

If I got your intent right... It won't work because the energy to heat the water will be more than what is generated by the steam.
 
aalligator45

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Lynx said:
As I understand it, you are trying to make a perpetual motion or "free energy" machine that will generate electricity by heating its own water with its own power to generate more power? Let me know if I got your intent wrong
If I got your intent right... It won't work because the energy to heat the water will be more than what is generated by the steam.
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Well, why does burning coal/wood work then? You are using energy to "produce" energy? Plus, technically, isn't that diagram converting thermal energy to kinetic energy? Idk.
 
Lynx

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aalligator45 said:
Well, why does burning coal/wood work then? You are using energy to "produce" energy? Plus, technically, isn't that diagram converting thermal energy to kinetic energy? Idk.
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A steam engine converts chemical energy, stored in the wood, gas or whatever you are burning to heat the water, into kinetic energy. It takes a continuous input of the combustible material to keep the process going.

If you exchange the combustible material for a water heater and generator, that becomes a closed system with no continuous energy input from outside the system. As a steam engine is remarkably inefficient, you will lose energy in the system at a terrific rate.
 
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Lynx said:
A steam engine converts chemical energy, stored in the wood, gas or whatever you are burning to heat the water, into kinetic energy. It takes a continuous input of the combustible material to keep the process going.

If you exchange the combustible material for a water heater and generator, that becomes a closed system with no continuous energy input from outside the system. As a steam engine is remarkably inefficient, you will lose energy in the system at a terrific rate.
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Oh. Well that must be why no one has done that.
 
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aalligator45 said:
Oh. Well that must be why no one has done that.
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FYI a typical steam powered tractor used in timber harvesting used a ton of wood an hour. That's why internal combustion engines took over as soon as they became powerful enough to replace steam.
 
aalligator45

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Well there goes my dreams of owning a steam powered car. I've now moved on to Stanley Meyer's water car!
 
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