Israel Declares War

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ZNP

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I'm saying you can't say Israel is a democracy for Palestinians. And you can't blame Palestinians for their bad leadership when the Israeli government has been instrumental in assassinating or undermining the good Palestinian leaders (similarly you can't blame Americans for Joe Biden when he wasn't elected). It's a sham, and I'm sure the exposure of the criminals will come. It's already admitted Netanyahu was complicit in the stand down of Israel's defenses and therefore the deaths of his own people. When you have a "democracy" like that, it might as well be a dictatorship.
Netanyahu may be as responsible for the stand down as Trump was for the summer of love. He is very unpopular, very divisive, and is getting as much push back from Israel's deep state as Trump did from our deep state.
 

ZNP

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Funny how "This generation" cannot be taken literally in dispensationalism.:unsure:
It is taken literally, this generation did see the destruction of the temple, but that was a preview. After the crucifixion the Jews had 40 years to receive His sacrifice because as we know just because a few Rabbis and Sadducees rejected him doesn't mean they speak for everyone. At the end of the age the same thing happens and in this case the rejection of Jesus has not disappeared.

However, the Fig tree prophecy says that this begins when you see the fig tree putting forth tender leaves. Israel is depicted by an olive tree, not a fig tree, that is the positive tree, the Fig tree represents Adam and Eve's fall and indicates that Israel is one with all sinful men, it is a worldly government that returns. The winter refers to the time of Israels punishment and removal from the land. Returning to the land and setting up a government was putting forth the tender leaves. Israel is no longer "tender" but they were in 1950.

Ezekiel told us how many years Israel and Judah would be punished for.

You can't build a doctrine on one verse in the Bible.
 

ZNP

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Leave and go where.
Everyone needs to be humbled under the mighty hand of God. That is step 1, they refuse to be humbled.

I think most people would agree that if the Palestinians wanted to leave but needed someone to buy up the land and give it to them as an inheritance that Israel and the Jews worldwide would do that.
 

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So its ok to just tell mostly impoverished people to leave their only home?
They did not need to be impoverished and they did not need to remain crowded in Gaza. What have the other Muslim and Arab countries done for them? Absolutely nothing. As I suggested earlier Saudi Arabia could have set aside a vast chunk of land for a new homeland for the Palestinians. They have more than enough wealth and land to do so. And they could have demanded that all the other Arab and Muslim countries pitch in. Had this been done after the Six Day War, they would have been happy and prosperous and productive. Of course the Arabs would have had to deal severely with the evil Palestinian leaders who are the real reason for all the issues and terrorism.
 

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Everyone needs to be humbled under the mighty hand of God. That is step 1, they refuse to be humbled.

I think most people would agree that if the Palestinians wanted to leave but needed someone to buy up the land and give it to them as an inheritance that Israel and the Jews worldwide would do that.
Where the Jews humble when they moved in and took peoples homes, killed people and pillaged the towns.

You do know that there were also Christians living in Palestine in 1948?
 

ZNP

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Where the Jews humble when they moved in and took peoples homes, killed people and pillaged the towns.

You do know that there were also Christians living in Palestine in 1948?
No of course not, they were humbled when the temple was destroyed in 70AD and spent the last 1800+ years scattered to the four winds. They are still being humbled because they returned thinking they could live in the land living like all the other nations on the earth.
 

shittim

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I am going to have add you to my ignore list.

This mentality is the reason this world is a mess.

Jesus called the Jews synagogue of Satan, did you forget that?
Give me all the red x's you want ... your passive-aggressiveness is tiresome.
It's called The Bible, it is unfolding in front of all those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.
Sorry to see you go into seclusion by choice, your decision will bring peace.
best wishes:)
 
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They did not need to be impoverished and they did not need to remain crowded in Gaza. What have the other Muslim and Arab countries done for them? Absolutely nothing. As I suggested earlier Saudi Arabia could have set aside a vast chunk of land for a new homeland for the Palestinians. They have more than enough wealth and land to do so. And they could have demanded that all the other Arab and Muslim countries pitch in. Had this been done after the Six Day War, they would have been happy and prosperous and productive. Of course the Arabs would have had to deal severely with the evil Palestinian leaders who are the real reason for all the issues and terrorism.
Sure a lot of people could have done a lot of different things. The people living there now didn't do anything in 1948 they were for the most part not even yet born.
Also sure enough if Europe had left their borders alone and let the Middle East be you know in the early 1900s things would be a lot different there now.
Now we are dealing with the situation that we have there now; post all that other stuff. And the people there now didn't really have anything to do with what happened then, but they sure are suffering the consequences of it.
Israeli leaders saw the people protesting Hamas' actions and could have used that as an opportunity to turn the people toward them, and turned that into helping the citizens of Gaza to establish a new government. Possibly even one sympathetic to Israel.
 
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Funny how "This generation" cannot be taken literally in dispensationalism.:unsure:
It a very stranhe thing, Jesus quoted in scripture speak directly to a specific group of people and says, "this generation" and 2000 years later a group of readers of the quote ratjer than learn from it, think Jesus is speaking directly to them.
I guess when Jesus told Peter to go fishing to get the temple tax money we should take that as Jesus speaking to us. When it comes tax time to go fishing.
 

PennEd

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Right.

This is the problem in the end. 2009 was before AI generated images I believe.

Sometimes the left is far more honest than the right, Cheney and Rumsfield come to mind.
We really cannot accept that the Jews acted in direct violation of International Law as they are doing right now even in the face of evidence.
To put in perspective just how out of whack the world is with its satanic hatred of the Jews, here’s a quick paragraph proving it.

Since 2015, the General Assembly has adopted 140 resolutions criticizing Israel, mainly over its treatment of the Palestinians, its relationships with neighboring countries and other alleged wrongdoings. Over the same period, it has passed 68 resolutions against all other countries, UN Watch said.Jan 3, 2023
 

PennEd

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Funny how "This generation" cannot be taken literally in dispensationalism.:unsure:
It absolutely is.

But what few Amil Christians understand, is that the Olivet discourses in Matthew and Mark are virtually identical.

Whereas Luke is different in key areas.

Matthew and Marks account take place at night, privately, with just His disciples.

Part of the Luke account takes place in the day, AT THE TEMPLE, in front of the people.

Read all 3 and notice the difference.

So indeed “that generation” did not pass before the destruction of Jerusalem, 38 years, the exact time of the wilderness wanderings.

But the the generation In Matthew comes “after these things”.

So yeah. We take it literally.
 

Smoke

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You are ever so much very welcome! Barry McGuire celebrated his 88th birthday two days ago.
The song is from fifty eight years ago, and McGuire has identified as a Christian since the 70s.

Interesting little bit of history!

I can't tell you how many times I've listened to it since yesterday. Each time I listen to it, a line will just be sticking out that was just as true in 1965 as it is in 2023. This song was either WAY ahead of it's time or we haven't learned ANYTHING!

The current line stuck in my head right now is:

You can bury your dead, but don't leave a trace
Hate your next door neighbor but don't forget to say grace
 

Smoke

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One side has shown the desire to live side by side with others. Another side demands the total extermination of the other side. One side shows concern for lives on both sides. Another side shows no concern for lives on either side. Who to trust when conflicting reports come out?
The same mainstream media you probably complain about when they report on Trump in the US?
 

Smoke

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Israel has given fair warning to the civilians to leave Gaza. But their evil leaders are telling then to remain so that Hamas can garner sympathy. That is just wicked. In the end it is war, and there will be civilian casualties.
Refresh my memory... Did Israel give the warning prior to the 72 hours of retaliatory bombing the densely populated city with civilians that could not escape due to the blockade? :unsure::unsure::unsure::unsure:

You're 100% correct though, Israel did tell Palestinians to leave which is more than Hamas has ever done. Some would argue it's like telling a legless man to stand up and do jumping jacks though... How do they do that?