Israel Declares War

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Locoponydirtman

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This again?

OK, you saw something, it is a scientific fact that eyewitness accounts are more often wrong that right. You need two eyewitnesses that agree to be right more than 50%. So as far as I am concerned you saw him, great, that is enough to get a search warrant and bring him in for questioning.

Who told you that you could convict someone of a crime without a trial? That is what Hitler did, that is what Stalin did.

If someone is convicted of murder I would have no problem referring to them as a "convicted murderer". But you want me to say that about someone that you saw? It doesn't work that way, let's have a trial, lets see all the evidence. Let's hear what he has to say. It may be rare, but people are often framed.

You might think that committing suicide is a confession. Really? So you think the 100 people who knew the Clintons actually committed suicide?
Jack the ripper was never caught and convicted. So i guess he didnt do anything
 
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Locoponydirtman

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My goodness, we are talking about the bombings/airstrikes IN Gaza!!! lol They are trapped there! Where are they suppose to go if Israel is going to be bombing Gaza?

Where do children trapped in Gaza go to avoid the bombs/airstrikes?

I never said they are trapped in their house... they are trapped in the targeted Gaza strip! :cautious:
I guess they are supposed to walk out into the desert and sit in the sand.
They were told go to south Gaza but there were air strikes there.
 

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So the real story...it was a terrorist missile, it landed near a hospital, and dozens of casualties, not 500.
The misreporting has led to multiple riots and considerably more damage. I wonder how many lives were lost due to the rioting, and how many innocent embassy workers will be displaced.
 

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EXCLUSIVE: Israeli Surveillance Drone Video of the Fully Intact and Undamaged Al Ahli Hospital in Gaza after Rocket Hits Parking Lot – NOT the Hospital | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

On Tuesday evening a rocket reportedly hit the Al Ahli Hospital in Gaza causing a massive explosion and resulting in the deaths of allegedly several hundred Palestinians.

The Palestinians, Islamic Jihad terror group and Western media immediately blamed Israel for the explosion.

This comes ten days after the largest slaughter of Jews since World War II. Over 1,300 Jews were massacred by Hamas and another 200 Jews were taken hostage back to Gaza on October 7.

The international media immediately blamed Israel for the rocket attack “on the hospital.”

But it now appears the story was fake news. A rocket did not strike the hospital. It struck a parking lot. It was likely an Islamic Jihad missile that was fired from nearby in the urban area. And 500 Palestinians did not die in the missile strike.
 

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Where do children trapped in Gaza go to avoid the bombs/airstrikes?
Hello! I was in that part of the world several times, many years ago. There is a border and a border crossing between Gaza and Egypt. There is also an advantage that this part of Egypt is extremely sparsely inhabited, there could easily be living room there to accommodate people. However despite the common religion of Islam and the common ethnicity I believe the Egyptians might be extremely reluctant to accommodate their brother Palestinians. God Bless You :)
 

ZNP

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If I am missing something, I apologize. However, I'm reading it as if you are saying "Who cares if I object" when I'm testing the consistency of your argument.
Sorry, my mistake, I thought it was locopony.

The question still stands. No one has asked me permission before saying anything, no one checks with me before posting on this forum or anywhere else, so again"Who cares if I object?"

I would like to know who this hypothetical person is.
 

ZNP

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So the real story...it was a terrorist missile, it landed near a hospital, and dozens of casualties, not 500.
The misreporting has led to multiple riots and considerably more damage. I wonder how many lives were lost due to the rioting, and how many innocent embassy workers will be displaced.
True, but now I hear there is a civil war in Gaza as the Palestinian army is fighting Hamas
 

Everlasting-Grace

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So the Japanese nationalists not surrendering after the first nuclear attack makes it morally acceptable to obliterate more Japanese civilians?

Why did you avoid my other questions? How did killing civilians shorten the war? We both agree bombs blow things up and they could have bombed the same military targets without using nuclear bombs. So what about obliterating Japanese civilians brought the war to an end that a more discriminate bomb would not have?
When you bomb a city, and asked for unconditional surrender. And the government says no.. Uou keep doing it.

Again, do you know anything about history?
 

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It's a definition with a conclusion. If it did not specifically list "nuclear", there could be a discussion. With it there, there cannot be. The conclusion assumes that which must be proven.
Definitions are given with "especially" in them though... are they not? That typically means it doesn't have to be, but especially if it is. Is it just my definitions you take object to using "especially" or do you not like when anyone uses it?

Also, how is "nuclear" a conclusion though?

My understand of "nuclear bombs" is that they use a nuclear reaction to create the explosion. Nuclear reaction yields much more powerful blasts than other types of conventional bombs.

So if I attach "especially nuclear", it simply means "even more so" if the bomb is nuclear. Hopefully we would agree to this seeing as it's a given that nuclear reactions are indeed vastly more indiscriminate in their explosiveness in comparison to conventional and discriminate bombs.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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I have not been in the military. I don't need any military experience to know that the ports and military hubs were the targets in Hiroshima. I just need to read history. I also don't need military experience to know that bombing a city with 2 million civilian Palestinians in such a small piece of land will kill far more civilians than Hamas terrorists.
then you have no basis to argue as you are.
Now, will you please answer my questions that you replied to? You are literally just replying to my questions, not answering them and asking me questions... Perhaps I'm a fool for continually answering them in an effort to have an honest discourse with you.
What question I forgot.
 

ZNP

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When you bomb a city, and asked for unconditional surrender. And the government says no.. Uou keep doing it.

Again, do you know anything about history?
Yes I know history. If Germany had done this or Japan had done this they would have been tried for a war crime. But since the winner did this there was no trial.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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My goodness, we are talking about the bombings/airstrikes IN Gaza!!! lol They are trapped there! Where are they suppose to go if Israel is going to be bombing Gaza?

Where do children trapped in Gaza go to avoid the bombs/airstrikes?

I never said they are trapped in their house... they are trapped in the targeted Gaza strip! :cautious:
WHY ARE THEY TRAPPED THERE?

Can they go to Egypt. Can they go to Jordan? Or Lebanon, or any other Arab country?

if not why not?
 

Everlasting-Grace

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That is so thoughtful to let them live anywhere they wanted in one of the most densely populated areas on earth.

They were so thoughtful they even rationed the food and electricity.

Moreover, in their thoughtfulness, the people of Gaza were subjected to arbitrary detention, constant search and surveillance and sometimes torture/death of innocent women and children since 2008.

But they were given a little tiny piece of land, so thoughtful, beggars can't be choosers right?
Yes they rationed AFTER they were ATTACKED

WHAT IS UP WITH YOU PEOPLE. ARE YOU BEING SERIOUS?
 

Everlasting-Grace

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Yes I know history. If Germany had done this or Japan had done this they would have been tried for a war crime. But since the winner did this there was no trial.
Wow

American did not start the war..

Germany and japan did..
 

ZNP

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Geneva conventions define war crimes

  1. Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, namely, any of the following acts against persons or property protected under the provisions of the relevant Geneva Convention:
    1. Wilful killing
    2. Torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments;
    3. Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health;
    4. Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly;
    5. Compelling a prisoner of war or other protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile Power;
    6. Wilfully depriving a prisoner of war or other protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial;
    7. Unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement;
    8. Taking of hostages.
  2. Other serious violations of the laws and customs applicable in international armed conflict, within the established framework of international law, namely, any of the following acts:
    1. Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities;
    2. Intentionally directing attacks against civilian objects, that is, objects which are not military objectives;
    3. Intentionally directing attacks against personnel, installations, material, units or vehicles involved in a humanitarian assistance or peacekeeping mission in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, as long as they are entitled to the protection given to civilians or civilian objects under the international law of armed conflict;
    4. Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated;
    5. Attacking or bombarding, by whatever means, towns, villages, dwellings or buildings which are undefended and which are not military objectives;
    6. Killing or wounding a combatant who, having laid down his arms or having no longer means of defence, has surrendered at discretion;
    7. Making improper use of a flag of truce, of the flag or of the military insignia and uniform of the enemy or of the United Nations, as well as of the distinctive emblems of the Geneva Conventions, resulting in death or serious personal injury;
    8. The transfer, directly or indirectly, by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies, or the deportation or transfer of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory;
    9. Intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected, provided they are not military objectives;

  1. Other serious violations of the laws and customs applicable in armed conflicts not of an international character, within the established framework of international law, namely, any of the following acts:
    1. Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities;
    2. Intentionally directing attacks against buildings, material, medical units and transport, and personnel using the distinctive emblems of the Geneva Conventions in conformity with international law.