Israel Declares War

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

PennEd

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2013
13,584
9,103
113
See you are conflating geopolitics and religion. I am trying to avoid that but I guess it is not possible.
I am not defending any false religion.
I am trying to show this crisis is asymmetrical and always has been from a geo-political point of view.

When people start using words like hate and antisemitism (not you) then I know no further discussion can be had.
It is amazing to me that if one does not defend Israel and give them "carte blanche" one is defending Muslims.

If this is people's position there will be no peace for a long time yet.
It's not possible to separate the goings on in Israel, the Middle East, or the World for that matter without understanding it from a Biblical perspective.
 

Magenta

Senior Member
Jul 3, 2015
60,135
29,452
113
You're missing the point.

It's not about finding a nutcase here or there that will say hateful things, it's about a religion
that TEACHES from birth those hateful things, that a huge percentage of adherents believe.


Look at the point you have gotten here because of Amillennialism. You are literally defending muslims, and their hateful ideology.
Unfortunately this seems to get brushed aside/completely overlooked
when the other talks about the psychology of the people involved.
 

Everlasting-Grace

Well-known member
Dec 18, 2021
5,938
1,872
113
This is the straw man that HeIsHere is fighting and why He claims Evangelicals are brainwashed and is cheering for the end of Chrisitianity.

I believe it is a misunderstanding of referring to Jews as "God's chosen people".
if anyone is brainwashed here......

Its not a strawman/ No dispensationalist believes a jew is saved by being a jew

A small group believes they were saved by the law in the OT and will return to the law in the tribulation period ( a very small group) a

but to attribute a lie to a group of people to try to be against them is the strawman.
 

PennEd

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2013
13,584
9,103
113
Their hero is a war mongering adulterous pedophile.
Both Muhammed and Joe Smith got their "holy" writings from satanic angels.


Galatians 1:8

New King James Version

8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,666
6,726
113
Why would globalists need money by fraud? They have vast resources as it is.
Are you familiar with FTX, it was a money laundering scheme that brought a lot of money to the last election in the US and saved the globalists from being totally obliterated in the last election.

They sent $100 billion to Ukraine, there was no accounting of where it went, some went into FTX (something similar to bitcoin) and was laundered back to the globalists (mainly democrats but also quite a few Republicans) funding their campaigns.

No one wants to use their own money for a failed campaign. Some of these politicians will need 10x the money of their opponent to have a chance of winning and even if they do it is unlikely with the US going bankrupt they'll be able to pay back these donors.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,666
6,726
113
Every argument I have ever heard against dispensationalism is based on facts that dispensational people do not even believe.

its amazing..
Which is why HeIsHere refers to Darby and Scofield as liars. He ascribes things they didn't teach to them.
 

Gideon300

Well-known member
Mar 18, 2021
5,347
3,148
113
See you are conflating geopolitics and religion. I am trying to avoid that but I guess it is not possible.
I am not defending any false religion.
I am trying to show this crisis is asymmetrical and always has been from a geo-political point of view.

When people start using words like hate and antisemitism (not you) then I know no further discussion can be had.
It is amazing to me that if one does not defend Israel and give them "carte blanche" one is defending Muslims.

If this is people's position there will be no peace for a long time yet.
Asymetrical? Israel is under constant threat by Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Hamas, Islamic State and most other Muslim countries. One notable exception is Egypt, as foretold in the Bible. Israel's population is 9 million, on a tiny strip of land that is hardly worth fighting over. Or so a reasonable and rational person would think.

Israel will be at peace eventually, for a time. Then she will be invaded by the forces of Antichrist. Jesus will destroy those forces and then we will have peace on earth. When? I don't know.

By the way, Islam makes no distinction between religon and politics. That's why democracy is both rare and fragile in Muslim countries.
 

HeIsHere

Well-known member
May 21, 2022
5,894
2,284
113
This is the straw man that HeIsHere is fighting and why He claims Evangelicals are brainwashed and is cheering for the end of Chrisitianity.

I believe it is a misunderstanding of referring to Jews as "God's chosen people".
That is ridiculous, I am cheering for Covenant Theology the exact opposite of the end of Christianity.

Are you getting desperate too now.

Yes many Christians are indoctrinated by bad hermeneutic as was I once, but then I stopped being lazy and did the hard work and figured out the errors.
 

Everlasting-Grace

Well-known member
Dec 18, 2021
5,938
1,872
113
Which is why HeIsHere refers to Darby and Scofield as liars. He ascribes things they didn't teach to them.
sadly most people do.. propoganda is worldwide in scope. even among christians, its sad
 

Everlasting-Grace

Well-known member
Dec 18, 2021
5,938
1,872
113
That is ridiculous, I am cheering for Covenant Theology the exact opposite of the end of Christianity.

Are you getting desperate too now. Y

Yes many Christians are indoctrinated by bad hermeneutic as was I once, but then I stopped being lazy and did the hard work and figured out the errors.
Like you?

Covenant theology is a lie. It states God does not keep his promises
 

Magenta

Senior Member
Jul 3, 2015
60,135
29,452
113
Hold on a second, are you Salman Rushdie?
Mo could not tell the difference between demons and angels.

Though he did in fact believe he was demon possessed.

Then his wife convinced him it was Gabriel. Ta da! The birth of a new religion.

But, how come Gabriel did not know Mo was illiterate???
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,666
6,726
113
Name some.

Name some dispensational christians who teach this?
I have already pointed out that HeIsHere equates calling the Jews "the chosen people" to this. It is like others have pointed out, dispensationalism is attacked based on this point and it may be because some Christians understand "God's chosen people" as indicating the Jews are right and others are automatically wrong, or even that they are righteous and their enemies are evil.

Yes, God gave the land to Israel and Yes, God returned the Jews to Israel as a fulfillment of prophecy. But they returned as unbelievers who walk according to the nations. That is definitely condemned in God's word, you cannot try and live in Israel as the nations live.

Yes God is still dealing with them, yes all the promises will be fulfilled, but I think it is clear the whole world will come against them and many will die, if I recall only 1/3 of the Jews survive.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,666
6,726
113
Mo could not tell the difference between demons and angels.

Though he did in fact believe he was demon possessed.

Then his wife convinced him it was Gabriel. Ta da! The birth of a new religion.

But, how come Gabririel did not know Mo was illiterate???
It was tongue in cheek, but it seemed to me they issued a Fatwa against him for the same things you are posting.
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,666
6,726
113
It's not possible to separate the goings on in Israel, the Middle East, or the World for that matter without understanding it from a Biblical perspective.
I agree. If you have invested so much over the last 4,000 years into something you don't quit simply because of various attacks. This is why worldly people have no backbone.

That said Israel will not have peace until they say "blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord Jesus"
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,666
6,726
113
if anyone is brainwashed here......

Its not a strawman/ No dispensationalist believes a jew is saved by being a jew

A small group believes they were saved by the law in the OT and will return to the law in the tribulation period ( a very small group) a

but to attribute a lie to a group of people to try to be against them is the strawman.
Well, those who subscribe to Covenant Theology, like HeIsHere apparently think this.
 

Everlasting-Grace

Well-known member
Dec 18, 2021
5,938
1,872
113
I have already pointed out that HeIsHere equates calling the Jews "the chosen people" to this. It is like others have pointed out, dispensationalism is attacked based on this point and it may be because some Christians understand "God's chosen people" as indicating the Jews are right and others are automatically wrong, or even that they are righteous and their enemies are evil.

Yes, God gave the land to Israel and Yes, God returned the Jews to Israel as a fulfillment of prophecy. But they returned as unbelievers who walk according to the nations. That is definitely condemned in God's word, you cannot try and live in Israel as the nations live.

Yes God is still dealing with them, yes all the promises will be fulfilled, but I think it is clear the whole world will come against them and many will die, if I recall only 1/3 of the Jews survive.
well then it would be a slam on covenant theology who states this, not dispensational theology
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,666
6,726
113
Both Muhammed and Joe Smith got their "holy" writings from satanic angels.


Galatians 1:8

New King James Version

8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
Ouch, sounds like Joe Smith and Mohammed are accursed.
 

Magenta

Senior Member
Jul 3, 2015
60,135
29,452
113
It was tongue in cheek, but it seemed to me they issued a Fatwa against him for the same things you are posting.
An attempt was made to carry out the fatwa not too long ago...

In August of 2022, Rushdie was stabbed repeatedly in the neck and abdomen by a man who rushed the stage
as the author was about to give a lecture in western New York. The attacker, Hadi Matar, has pleaded not
guilty to charges of assault and attempted murder. Rushdie has been threatened with death since 1989.