Israel Declares War

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ThereRoseaLamb

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Do Palestinians live in peace on the West Bank? 0 Hamas terrorists there.

You cannot live in peace when you treat people worse than cattle. There is an apartheid and it needs to stop. We can't stop it because people refuse to accept reality that one is even occurring.
10 Reasons Israel Is Not An 'Apartheid' State

Let's repeat until people understand the truth!!

1. All people living in Israel have full equal rights.

There are no inferior or second-class citizens, unlike non-whites in South Africa or minorities in Islamic or Arab countries. Moreover, Arabs occupy senior positions on the Israeli police force, the Knesset and the Israeli judiciary. For example, Salim Joubran, who currently serves on the Israeli Supreme Court, is a Christian Arab. South Africans living under apartheid could only dream of obtaining these types of positions.
Ishmael Khaldi, an Islamic Bedouin, is currently a diplomat in the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Majalli Wahabi (Druze) was the acting president of Israel in 2007. These are just a few examples out of the many minority groups holding prominent positions in Israeli society.

2. An Arab judge, George Karra, sentenced an ex-Israeli president Moshe Katsav to prison for seven years.
When an Arab judge sentences a former Israeli president to jail -- this is truly a testament to Israel's equality amongst all citizens, regardless of race or ethnicity.

3. In 1953, the Bantu Education Act was passed.
This separated blacks from whites in the South African educational system. The government created a new curriculum for black people in which they were taught skills related to manual labour and serving in their Bantustans. In Israel, citizens are given equal opportunity in the workplace and educational department as evidenced by the fact that there are Palestinians and Arabs in Israeli universities who both study and teach as professors.
Today in Israel there are hundreds of Arab schools. Furthermore, education in the Palestinian areas of the West Bank is controlled by the Palestinian Authority. Courts, laws, taxes, police etc. are also under PA jurisdiction in the majority of the West Bank.

4. Incitement to racism is a criminal offence in Israel.
This is the polar opposite of apartheid in South Africa, whose government specifically passed incendiary racist legislation.

5. Arabs and Israelis receive the same treatment in hospitals.
The Hadassah Medical Organization which operates two hospitals in Jerusalem, was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize due to its push for peace in the Middle East and its equal treatment of Palestinians and Israelis. Furthermore, Arab and Israeli children are born amongst each other in the same hospitals.
Even during Israeli-Palestinian conflicts, Palestinians receive top-of-the-line treatment in Israeli hospitals. During apartheid, blacks were specifically given limited access to health care.

6. Non-whites in South Africa had separate amenities.
These include hospitals, beaches, buses, restrooms, drinking fountains and even designated park benches to sit on. None of this discrimination is prevalent in Israel and a law prohibits discrimination in public places.

7. Israeli Arabs have their own political parties in the Knesset -- some of whom are Israel's harshest critics.
The Joint List is an example of this. They received 13 seats in the 2015 Israeli election. Furthermore Arabs have equal voting rights, whereas coloured people during apartheid were not allowed to participate in the political process.

8. Arab citizens are allowed to seek redress through the courts and government if they feel they have been wronged.
Arab citizens also receive trial based on the facts, not ethnicity. This is nothing compared to apartheid South Africa, where discrimination was authorized from the highest position in the government.

9. Arabs in Israel have more fundamental rights than other Islamic and Arab countries in the Middle East.
Ironically, they have more rights than they do in the Gaza Strip or the West Bank.

10. In Israel, there are 1.6 million Arab citizens integrated within Israeli society.
They make up 20 per cent of Israel's population. There was no such integration in South Africa. Furthermore, according to a poll done by Harvard University, 77 per cent of Arab citizens living in Israel would rather live there than any other country in the world. If these citizens were experiencing "apartheid," why are so many of them supportive of Israel?


To proclaim that Israel is an "apartheid state" is to undermine and trivialize the harsh and actual struggles many blacks went through during that dark time of human history. These are the words ofmanySouth Africans who would also concur that Israel is not an "apartheid" state.

Arabs have the right to move freely, vote, obtain an education, work in prominent positions, receive world-class health care, own land and speak freely. Blacks in South Africa had none of these rights.
Regardless of the unfounded criticisms, Israel will still strive in the face of growing adversity. Those who seek to delegitimize, malign and deprecate Israel have lost their moral compass.


While those who are able to discern the truth for themselves, are able to recognize the fact that Israel is a beacon of freedom and democracy in the Middle East.
 
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shittim

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Do you know who was involved? Do you know who was funding Hamas? Do you know why Netanyahu ordered the standdown of the Israeli military/intelligence (for reportedly 7 hours), which likely would have prevented the attacks? (Not to mention ignored international intelligence that attempted to warn of the attacks days and weeks in advance). Unless you want to immediately go to war against Netanyahu and those on the Israeli side who were also complicit in the attacks (a foolish move), I don't think it's justified to bomb innocent lives in Gaza, until the situation is properly investigated and understood. Else it could well be one of the masterminds behind the attacks is also able to use the military to tidy up all the loose ends revealing his complicity, and/or start a war which keeps him in power.
Neither do any of us know all the inner workings and behind the scenes events , nor are we to be distracted by them. He told us what He would have us do, me must be doing it.
 

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We know the facts!! smh Hamas terrorists murdered 2000 people, there is NO justification for that!! None!
List of Killings in the Name of Islam: Last 30 Days

This is part of the list of killings in the name of Islam maintained by TheReligionofPeace.com.
Most of these incidents are terror attacks. A handful are honor killings or Sharia executions.

During this time period, there were 60 Islamic attacks in 18 countries, in which 2186 people were killed and 4195 injured.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Do Palestinians live in peace on the West Bank? 0 Hamas terrorists there.

You cannot live in peace when you treat people worse than cattle. There is an apartheid and it needs to stop. We can't stop it because people refuse to accept reality that one is even occurring.

11. It was written in Israel’s Declaration of Independence of May 14, 1948 that: “The State of Israel… will be based on the precepts of liberty, justice, and peace taught by the Hebrew Prophets; will uphold the full social and political equality of all its citizens, without distinction of race, creed or sex…” The concept of apartheid would go against the very legislation Israel is based upon. Furthermore, the declaration encourages Israeli Arabs to “participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.” Protests are allowed and actually are commonplace in Israel. Many different ethnic groups protest and are well within the laws of doing so. Israel allows the freedom to protest and the freedom to congregate. During apartheid, blacks were specifically not allowed to protest, and the few protests that did happen, resulted in many deaths from police officers firing indiscriminately into the crowds.

12. In South Africa, sex or marriage between whites and non-whites was prohibited – legislation was passed – the Immortality Act. There are many inter-racial relationships prevalent in Israel.

13) Israel recently okayed a $4 billion upgrade plan for its Arab communities. The 5-year plan will focus on housing and improved education.

14. Israel has made peace treaties with Jordan and Egypt which demonstrates its commitment to make calculated risks to achieve peace. The PA and Hamas, on the other hand, refuse to recognize Israel’s right to exist, making it harder for Israel to withdraw from territory, due to a denial for compromise and mutual acceptance. Furthermore, non-whites never sought the destruction of South Africa, rather the end of apartheid. The UN has recognized, endorsed and administered these Israeli peace agreements – giving these efforts international legitimacy.
 

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List of Killings in the Name of Islam: Last 30 Days

This is part of the list of killings in the name of Islam maintained by TheReligionofPeace.com.
Most of these incidents are terror attacks. A handful are honor killings or Sharia executions.


During this time period, there were 60 Islamic attacks in 18 countries, in which 2186 people were killed and 4195 injured.

A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged. Likewise a zionist is a victim of Islamic terrorism.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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Do Palestinians live in peace on the West Bank? 0 Hamas terrorists there.

You cannot live in peace when you treat people worse than cattle. There is an apartheid and it needs to stop. We can't stop it because people refuse to accept reality that one is even occurring.
It is occuring. it has been verified

By hamas and the other terrorists groups
 

Everlasting-Grace

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Peace without justice is slavery. Sad that some people would be happy to have Palestinians living no better than slaves, provided they keep quiet about it and don't revolt. Can imagine the Roman propaganda about Spartacus in ancient times was probably similar to what some people are still pushing today.
yeah.

Some people look at reality.

Some buy the propoganda
 

Everlasting-Grace

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This here is the point of propaganda. Get people's emotions to take over, hopefully to the point a course of action is taken that cannot be reversed. Even if one later finds what led to his decision in the first place was wrong information - it may be too late to change. Hence the caution against acting on propaganda. It's designed to evoke an emotional response. Don't give in to it - wait to determine the facts of the matter first.
I think the facts have been well established.

Its like the Biden impeachment inquiry. where everyone says where is the evidence.

it is sitting there staring at you in the face. If you refuse to see it. thats on you.
 

shittim

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Huh? Are you saying Israel has repented and turned to the One True God? If not, you're not really making sense. Talmudism is just as wicked a religion as Islam.
Never said that, but letting yourself be triggered and not understanding the post is a bad sign. Allowing oneself to be triggered, or lose our peace, is carnal and not spiritual.
best wishes:)
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Do you know why Netanyahu ordered the standdown of the Israeli military/intelligence (for reportedly 7 hours), which likely would have prevented the attacks?
Oh that you believe without question. Sure. smh

I don't think it's justified to bomb innocent lives in Gaza, until the situation is properly investigated and understood.
That's not happening. Israel isn't seeking to kill civilians like Hamas did, they aren't terrorists.
 

Smoke

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I think this about says it all.. From X



Kiyah Willis
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Israel has the ability to kill everyone in Gaza but hasn't because they don't want to kill civilians Hamas wants to kill everyone in Israel but hasn't because they don't have the ability to kill as many civilians as they want to See the difference?
So airstriking and bombing Gaza into further oblivion knowing you will kill more civilians than Hamas terrorists is evidence and/or proof that "Israel doesn't want to kill civilians"? :unsure::unsure::unsure:

I think most people know there is not a smart enough bomb to bypass destroying a civilian but exploding if it senses a Hamas terrorists. That would be an awesome bomb though.

Go ahead and respond to this post asking me if I think Israel has the right to "self-defense" and asking me if I have "served in the military". Do anything you have to do to ignore my questions and respond to the points I make.
 

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So airstriking and bombing Gaza into further oblivion knowing you will kill more civilians than Hamas terrorists is evidence and/or proof that "Israel doesn't want to kill civilians"? :unsure::unsure::unsure:

I think most people know there is not a smart enough bomb to bypass destroying a civilian but exploding if it senses a Hamas terrorists. That would be an awesome bomb though.

Go ahead and respond to this post asking me if I think Israel has the right to "self-defense" and asking me if I have "served in the military". Do anything you have to do to ignore my questions and respond to the points I make.
I know this

You will see whatever you want to see. and no one will convince you otherwise.

Israel did nto start this war..
 

Smoke

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Except if you destroy the lives of moms and grandmothers and babies you will make more enemies. The young men will become angry and ardent enemies. But if you help them thrownoff the shackles of oppression they will have some appreciation and at least not be your enemy.
Absolutely true. It gives Satan another weapon to seduce man and to continue the vicious killing cycle.
 

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That's not happening. Israel isn't seeking to kill civilians like Hamas did, they aren't terrorists.
You're right. The method in which Hamas terrorists killed innocent Israeli civilians is different in that it is far more barbaric. Israeli is classier in killing innocent Palestinian civilians by targeting Hamas terrorists. The significant more Palestinians that die as a result of the airstrikes/bombings are just "collateral damage". :unsure:
 

Smoke

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and about the same amount of people are being reported dead in gaza.

of course, i say reported because that is what we are being told, just as the dead baby situation , which once again Israel and the I D F have said they cannot confirm.

and, yes, of course what hamas did was terrorism.

but, is not bombing apartment buildings in gaza not also very bad?? because Israel did that.

and that HAS been confirmed.
You missed the memo the media keeps sending us. It's only a crime against humanity to kill innocent Israeli civilians. The Palestinian civilians that are dying from the airstrikes are just "collateral damage". Get with the program or I will accuse you of being an antisemite.
 

Smoke

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their goal is to wipe out Jews. Christians and oh by the way. The evil United States of America
Hamas is a terrorist group. They do want to kill all Jews. Thank God they can't even leave their open-air prison
Hello Smoke. Thanks for your reply. I agree it's a terrible situation for the people on the ground. A recollection I have after visiting Egypt, Israel and Jordan is that of space. Egypt and Jordan are geographically large countries with vast uninhabited spaces. Israel is tiny, very urbanized, almost claustrophobic. Looking to Israel to give up land for peace is not a rational solution, they don't have much to give. The Arabs could accommodate the Palestinians in their unused lands a hundred times over. God Bless You :)
I've heard other people report that since secular Jewish Zionists want a safe state, why doesn't the US just give him one of ours. Kind of a silly expectation and suggestion in my honest opinion.

These Palestinians have been living there for centuries. They don't want to live in an apartheid state. Furthermore, Israel doesn't just let Palestinians come and go as they please between their prisons (Gaza, West Bank, etc...), it needs to be approved first.

Also, I've discussed that Egypt doesn't want them. They blocked the tunnels that lead into Egypt on the border. We can't just volunteer someone other state's land to the Palestinian people.

Can I volunteer you take me in and pay all my bills? God bless, I do appreciate your civility. God bless. :giggle:
 

Smoke

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Israel will not have peace unless they repent of their sins, and take Jesus as their atoning sacrifice.

Like anyone else they will have to bring forth fruit worthy of repentance.
Spot on. I think part of their repentance will be getting rid of the apartheid.