Israel Declares War

[Ted01]

Right, do you expect armless children to do the bulk of the fighting against Hamas?

My guess is the Palestinian freedom fighters who oppose Hamas are either dead or locked up (a prison inside of a prison) along with their families. I've ready stories of such people who were more brave that I could ever hope to be to be defiant and oppose the Hamas terroristic government. But what do you really expect them to do? Could Jews free themselves in concentration camps against their German oppressors? Of course not. Would you advocate for blowing up concentration camps targeting the Nazis but knowing you were going to end up killing more Jews than Nazis? That would be insane to blow up people in an effort to save them.

I think that just goes to show there is not a priority to save Palestinian children, but to kill Hamas terrorist at all cost. It's as if human life is suddenly not so sacred.

Smoke, you keep pushing these hypotheticals, that are shamelessly saturated with emotional language! What are the demographics, exactly, of the number of armless children that might be called to serve as freedom fighters?
Children have fought in wars before... no, it's not a fate that I would hope for any... but needs must.

If you've heard of such stories of Palestinians who opposed Hamas and suffered for it, could you please post sources or links even?

Many Jews fled Germany in order to avoid concentration camps... and before they became of concentration camps, they fled Germany because of other oppression. When in concentration camps, some did escape, more tried and failed.

The choice to not blow-up concentration camps came from a lack of fully being aware that they actually existed, at least at the "soldier's level" of awareness. Regardless, they were handled as a hostage situation, more or less. The prisoners were not there by choice... Palestinians do remain in Gaza by choice. So, again, you're comparing these incidents is flawed, IMHO.

 

[Smoke]

Smoke, you keep pushing these hypotheticals, that are shamelessly saturated with emotional language! What are the demographics, exactly, of the number of armless children that might be called to serve as freedom fighters?
Children have fought in wars before... no, it's not a fate that I would hope for any... but needs must.

If you've heard of such stories of Palestinians who opposed Hamas and suffered for it, could you please post sources or links even?

Many Jews fled Germany in order to avoid concentration camps... and before they became of concentration camps, they fled Germany because of other oppression. When in concentration camps, some did escape, more tried and failed.

The choice to not blow-up concentration camps came from a lack of fully being aware that they actually existed, at least at the "soldier's level" of awareness. Regardless, they were handled as a hostage situation, more or less. The prisoners were not there by choice... Palestinians do remain in Gaza by choice. So, again, you're comparing these incidents is flawed, IMHO.

I provided the stats already, but will do so again. 47.3% of the population is under 18.

Children In Gaza

It's also not emotional language to point out that roughly half the population are children and cannot become freedom fighters against Hamas. It's a rather insanely hot take to expect them to free themselves against Hamas.

Is it your understanding that Israel didn't do any bombings/airstrikes prior to their advising Palestinians to go south? Did they not blow up Gaza way before? If they did blow them up before then, how is your point applicable? (your point that they could have just left)

Do you deny that Palestinian civilians are forced to stay (after Israel advised it) by the Hamas terrorists? If you don't deny it, why try to make it seem like it's a willful choice? They ultimately suffer the same fate as the terrorists.

 

[Ted01]

I provided the stats already, but will do so again. 47.3% of the population is under 18.

Children In Gaza

It's also not emotional language to point out that roughly half the population are children and cannot become freedom fighters against Hamas. It's a rather insanely hot take to expect them to free themselves against Hamas.

Is it your understanding that Israel didn't do any bombings/airstrikes prior to their advising Palestinians to go south? Did they not blow up Gaza way before? If they did blow them up before then, how is your point applicable? (your point that they could have just left)

Do you deny that Palestinian civilians are forced to stay (after Israel advised it) by the Hamas terrorists? If you don't deny it, why try to make it seem like it's a willful choice? They ultimately suffer the same fate as the terrorists.

Hmm, thanks for posting this again!
I do have to say that I'm not really a fan of NPR because I believe that they're rather manipulative with their stories and their "facts". Regardless, to say that 47.3% are under 18 doesn't mean, IMHO, that they are too young to fight. In many wars throughout history, children have voluntarily joined the wars at 13 and younger. Please don't think that I like that idea, but facts is facts. So, yes I do believe that it's both emotional and basing an opinion on modern, western mindsets.

Yes, I believe that Israel bombed prior to advising evacuation. I think that the Palestinians could have left years ago, as Hamas has been actively hostile for decades. This recent attack of theirs is nothing new and should have been easily anticipated by the citizens.

What I believe is that "being forced" is relative language. As I pointed out before the numbers of citizens is much larger than the number of Hamas militants. Nevertheless, I understand that a smaller group of hostile people can exert a lot of pressure on a larger group of docile people. That said, I think that it's important, for their own survival, to rethink what's important to them. How long must the world wait for "peaceful Muslims" say "Enough is enough"?

(BTW - I didn't see anything about the armless children demographics. j/s)

 

[Locoponydirtman]

you do what you can to defend yourself.

If Israel wanted to. they could wipe the west bank off the map..

I wish people would stop saying they are doing this, they are not

If they did Iran and Iraq and Saudi Arabia and Egypt would wipe them off the map.
The state of Israel has killed far more Palestinians in the bombing than Hamas killed Israelis

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

If they did Iran and Iraq and Saudi Arabia and Egypt would wipe them off the map.
The state of Israel has killed far more Palestinians in the bombing than Hamas killed Israelis

They would not anyway

and they are not afraid of the other people.. They (isreal) are not terrorists...Isreal already told Iran if they do anything Isreal will end them..(the government)

 

[ZNP]

The state of Israel has killed far more Palestinians in the bombing than Hamas killed Israelis

I think Japan killed 3,000 at Pearl Harbor and they estimate 900,000 Japanese civilians died in WW2. Kind of like that?

 

[Smoke]

Hmm, thanks for posting this again!
I do have to say that I'm not really a fan of NPR because I believe that they're rather manipulative with their stories and their "facts". Regardless, to say that 47.3% are under 18 doesn't mean, IMHO, that they are too young to fight. In many wars throughout history, children have voluntarily joined the wars at 13 and younger. Please don't think that I like that idea, but facts is facts. So, yes I do believe that it's both emotional and basing an opinion on modern, western mindsets.

Yes, I believe that Israel bombed prior to advising evacuation. I think that the Palestinians could have left years ago, as Hamas has been actively hostile for decades. This recent attack of theirs is nothing new and should have been easily anticipated by the citizens.

What I believe is that "being forced" is relative language. As I pointed out before the numbers of citizens is much larger than the number of Hamas militants. Nevertheless, I understand that a smaller group of hostile people can exert a lot of pressure on a larger group of docile people. That said, I think that it's important, for their own survival, to rethink what's important to them. How long must the world wait for "peaceful Muslims" say "Enough is enough"?

(BTW - I didn't see anything about the armless children demographics. j/s)

I definitely do have a western mindset bias. I also have a bias against cousin marriages and getting married when you're a teenager. All those things, in addition to children going to war, aren't ideal in my belief system. Perhaps I am too hypervigilant towards children's safety, I just view them as the most vulnerable people that ought to be protected. It's why I'm pro-choice. So while I get your point, it's just something we can agree to disagree on when it comes to any expectation to overtake Hamas.

I wasn't aware Palestinians could come and go from Gaza as they wish. It's my understanding that they can't as Egypt won't allow them entry, and Israel denies most of their applications. Has this not been the case?

I'm with you on the "how long" part and doing nothing. People can discuss what to do, but I want to be clear on what we shouldn't do as that should be easier to agree on (hopefully).

As for the armless children demographic, I meant that they don't have guns (not that they don't have arms lol). Hamas is the government but it's also in reference to their militant wing. It's my understanding if Hamas calls you to fight for them, you must do so or face severe consequences. If they give guns to children, I wasn't aware of it.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

I think Japan killed 3,000 at Pearl Harbor and they estimate 900,000 Japanese civilians died in WW2. Kind of like that?

Yes. And murdering civilians with a weapon of mass destruction was not justafiable.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

And people are still suffering to this day because those nuclear bombs.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

They would not anyway

and they are not afraid of the other people.. They (isreal) are not terrorists...Isreal already told Iran if they do anything Isreal will end them..(the government)

With out western support the state of Israel would be over run.
The US had been fighting since the 9/11 attacks and ended up with drawing and leaving a lot of military hardware behind.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Its a hostile world over in the middle east. Full of crazy zealots in extremist cults, who dont mind dying and seem to enjoy killing.
I also believe it is best for people to be able to self govern which means Israeli and Arab alike. Arabs in Arab land and Israelis is Isreali land. I hate violence and killing and destruction, and yes people have the God given responsibility to self defense and defense of neighbor.
To which i say Israel had a chance to do with defense of self and defense of neighbor. When they saw the Gaza people protesting Hamas. They could have came to the aid of Gazan people and sought out justice against Hamas at the same time, which would result in a long lasting good.

 

[Underwhosewings]

Jeremiah 31:35-36 KJV
Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
[36] If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

 

[Underwhosewings]

(more) Muslims in Lebanon are now calling on the name of the
Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[ZNP]

Yes. And murdering civilians with a weapon of mass destruction was not justafiable.

Lord Jesus we pray forgive us, may your blood wash us from all sins including those we do not know about. Amen.

 

[JimmyTheLock]

Yes. And murdering civilians with a weapon of mass destruction was not justafiable.

Sure it was! If the US would have invaded Japan, it was estimated we would have lost 500,000 men or more.

In the interest of protecting Israel, God had wiped out entire nations of evil people in times past.... they were evil because they were set on trying to destroy Israel

In WW2 we gave them fair warning before we dropped the bombs tell them to surrender for face massive destruction and they refused to surrender.

During the great tribulation we will see God once again reigning destruction down upon the armies of the anti-christ and some end times guys that study all this stuff say as much as half of the world's current population will die during end times events.

The smart ones repent from living in sin and get right with the Lord now and abide in Him!

Lord Jesus we pray forgive us, may your blood wash us from all sins including those we do not know about. Amen.

Self defense is not a sin... if it were that means God Himself would have sinned when He destroyed people in self defense of His people.

 

[JimmyTheLock]

I think Japan killed 3,000 at Pearl Harbor and they estimate 900,000 Japanese civilians died in WW2. Kind of like that?

That's what they get for starting the war!

With out western support the state of Israel would be over run.
The US had been fighting since the 9/11 attacks and ended up with drawing and leaving a lot of military hardware behind.

No, Israel would use the Samson doctrine before that would ever happen.

Israel has nuclear weapons and if they were truly about to get run over... they would light up the entire middle east with nukes and all their enemies would die.

This is a great deterrent because her enemies knows that if they annihilate Israel everybody dies!

But, we can all relax because the Lord Jesus is helping Israel and they will not lose this war.,.. you watch!

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Sure it was! If the US would have invaded Japan, it was estimated we would have lost 500,000 men or more.

Imagine that people justify with their action in the public eye and make false prognostications to do so. Maybe if we had not gotten involved in africa and europe and focused on those who actually attacked is we could have used of those resources and ran through Japan rather efficiently.

In the interest of protecting Israel, God had wiped out entire nations of evil people in times past.... they were evil because they were set on trying to destroy Israel

There wasnt a state of Israel and im sure the Japanese people had no idea that Judahites existed. So theu werent trying to destroy them.

During the great tribulation we will see God once again reigning destruction down upon the armies of the anti-christ and some end times guys that study all this stuff say as much as half of the world's current population will die during end times events

Im not a dispensationalist revisionist zionist or premil. I dont agree with this assessment.

 

[HeIsHere]

And people are still suffering to this day because those nuclear bombs.

I have been to the Hiroshima Peace Memorial Museum, no one in my family walked out with a dry eye.

That should never happen again, ever, unfortunately the war mongers are rearing their ugly heads once again.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

I have been to the Hiroshima Peace Memorial Museum, no one in my family walked out with a dry eye.

That should never happen again, ever, unfortunately the war mongers are rearing their ugly heads once again.

Sorrowful.
War mongers hate their own women and children and young men.

 

[JimmyTheLock]

an through Japan rather efficiently.

No, the Japenese were very determined fighters so why should 500,000 American solders die when we can save all those lives by dropping a couple of nukes! It's a win win for us... cause we won the war!

The issue you are missing here is... they started it, so they have to live with the consequences of whatever happens.

There wasnt a state of Israel

You should read the Old Testament and see numerous times where God destroyed many people all because they hated Israel and were dead set on destroying them.

Im not a dispensationalist revisionist zionist or premil. I dont agree with this assessment.

Well then enjoy pledging alligence to an antichrist when he gets here and taking his mark... which by the way, Jesus said those taking the mark will spend eternity in hell. (Revelation 14:9-12)

That should never happen again, ever, unfortunately the war mongers are rearing their ugly heads once again.

Yep, and sometimes it is necessary to go to war.... only when Jesus returns to start His 1000 year reign will we finally have peace on earth... and good government!