The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

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All those for whom Christ died, by His Death alone, not only was God reconciled to them, but they are reconciled to God !

In agreement that God reconciled Himself to all mankind ... all descendants of Adam ... the "All those for whom Christ died" you refer to.

However, all descendants of Adam are not "reconciled to God !" ... not because the offering of the Lord Jesus Christ was insufficient, but for those who reject the Lord Jesus Christ there is no other way to be reconciled (Greek katallássō):

2 Cor 5:18

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation

The word "reconciled" is translated from the Greek word katallássō which means decisively change, as when two parties reconcile when coming ("changing") to the same position.

Reconciliation on the part of God to mankind took place before the foundation of the world.

Reconciliation on the part of man to God takes place at the time a person turns to God in faith ... at that point we are no longer enemies.

Those who reject God even as He reaches out to them remain enemies and are not reconciled to God ... not because God has not made provision for them, but because they reject that which God has provided for them to be reconciled to God.

God (the Party of the first part) established His eternal purpose in eternity past ... and He reconciled Himself to mankind through the death of His Son.

The believer (the party of the second part) is reconciled at the time he or she believes what God says. At that point, both parties (God and the believer) came to the same position (both God and the person are reconciled ... i.e. Greek katallássō).

The channel by which they acted in their conversion was by means of Jesus Christ !

... the "channel by which they acted" ???

are you so offended by God's Word concerning the word "faith" that you cannot even mention "faith" or "believing" ??? ... you have to refer to faith as "the channel by which they acted in their conversion" ??? ... you so silly!!!

The Lord Jesus Christ is the reconciliation ... there is no other way.

Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is reconciliation to God.

If a person rejects the Lord Jesus Christ ... Who is the Way, the Truth, the Life ... there is no reconciliation with God because the party of the second part is not in agreement with God (the party of the first part).

Col 1:21

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

read the opening verses of Colossians to find out who is the "you" that has now been reconciled:

Colossians 1:2-4 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints

those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ are reconciled to God ... those who reject God's grace are not reconciled.


You really need to get over your aversion to faith and believing as being ... what was it you said? ... "the channel by which they acted in their conversion"


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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[brightfame52]

It reconciles us to God ! 2


Christ's Death must also reconcile us to God experimentally [active participation] because like others we were alienated from God and or the life of God Eph 4:18

18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

When alienated from God it entails :

The understanding is darkened

Ignorance is in us

Blindness of heart !

But however, the Effects of Christ's death defeats all of that, and causes us an experimental reconciliation to God or conversion.

The same Truth is taught by Peter 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins[His Death doe our sins], the just for the unjust, that/hina purpose he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

You see the Purpose of His Death was in order to bring us to God, which is another way of saying reconciling us to God experimentally in a conversion experience.

Now if we say that Christ died for all without exception, and for many who never become experimentally reconciled to God in a conversion experience, then we are teaching against what the Death of Christ accomplished for them He died as it is taught in the scripture. We deny the reconciling effects of the death of Christ, that it not only reconciled God to us, but us to God as well !

 

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nope ... Jesus was not speaking of a "total conversion experience !" in verse 32. The next verse tells us what Jesus was telling the people:

John 12:32-33 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.

In your selected verses, Jesus was speaking of His death by crucifixion ... He was not speaking of a "total conversion experience !"


In vss 35-36, Jesus said Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth. While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light.

so it is in vss 35-36 that Jesus speaks of a "total conversion experience !" (which you would know if if you cared anything about context).





um ... nope ... just more of your twisting of words.

the Greek word sunagó in John 11:52 is the Greek word sunagó.

the Greek word elkō in John 12:32 is the Greek word elkō.

and, despite your wishful thinking, they are not one and the same ... nor are they interchangeable.

When God says sunagó He means sunagó ... when God says elkō He means elkō.





... I already showed you the verses in John 12 which refer to "conversion !" ...

John 12:35-36 Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth. While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.


your futile attempt to align Scripture to your dogma has again failed. You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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More opposition to the Truth displayed.

 

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"for all whom He died" ...

the Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind ... all descendants of Adam:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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More opposition to the Truth after it has been explained.

 

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In agreement that God reconciled Himself to all mankind ... all descendants of Adam ... the "All those for whom Christ died" you refer to.

However, all descendants of Adam are not "reconciled to God !" ... not because the offering of the Lord Jesus Christ was insufficient, but for those who reject the Lord Jesus Christ there is no other way to be reconciled (Greek katallássō):

2 Cor 5:18

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation

The word "reconciled" is translated from the Greek word katallássō which means decisively change, as when two parties reconcile when coming ("changing") to the same position.

Reconciliation on the part of God to mankind took place before the foundation of the world.

Reconciliation on the part of man to God takes place at the time a person turns to God in faith ... at that point we are no longer enemies.

Those who reject God even as He reaches out to them remain enemies and are not reconciled to God ... not because God has not made provision for them, but because they reject that which God has provided for them to be reconciled to God.

God (the Party of the first part) established His eternal purpose in eternity past ... and He reconciled Himself to mankind through the death of His Son.

The believer (the party of the second part) is reconciled at the time he or she believes what God says. At that point, both parties (God and the believer) came to the same position (both God and the person are reconciled ... i.e. Greek katallássō).





... the "channel by which they acted" ???

are you so offended by God's Word concerning the word "faith" that you cannot even mention "faith" or "believing" ??? ... you have to refer to faith as "the channel by which they acted in their conversion" ??? ... you so silly!!!

The Lord Jesus Christ is the reconciliation ... there is no other way.

Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is reconciliation to God.

If a person rejects the Lord Jesus Christ ... Who is the Way, the Truth, the Life ... there is no reconciliation with God because the party of the second part is not in agreement with God (the party of the first part).





read the opening verses of Colossians to find out who is the "you" that has now been reconciled:

Colossians 1:2-4 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints

those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ are reconciled to God ... those who reject God's grace are not reconciled.


You really need to get over your aversion to faith and believing as being ... what was it you said? ... "the channel by which they acted in their conversion"


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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More opposition to the reconciling death of Christ which is unbelief.

 

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experimentally [active participation]

... "experimentally [active participation]" is nothing but another example of your "opposition to the Truth after it has been explained".

what you call "experimentally [active participation] is plainly stated in Scripture as "faith" or "believing".

you make up outlandish terms ... such as "experimentally [active participation]" ... "total conversion experience !" ... in your total rejection of the truth of Scripture concerning faith / believing. Just believe what God says ... quit making stuff up because you don't like what the Author of Scripture tells you.

the Effects of Christ's death defeats all of that, and causes us an experimental reconciliation to God or conversion.

conversion takes place when a person believes. at that time reconciliation takes place because the person has changed his or her position.

I have already explained to you many times that the word "reconciled" is translated from the Greek word katallássō which means decisively change, as when two parties reconcile when coming ("changing") to the same position.

Reconciliation on the part of God to mankind took place before the foundation of the world.

Reconciliation on the part of man to God takes place at the time a person turns to God in faith ... at that point we are no longer enemies.

Those who reject God even as He reaches out to them remain enemies and are not reconciled to God ... not because God has not made provision for them, but because they reject that which God has provided for them to be reconciled to God.

God (the Party of the first part) established His eternal purpose in eternity past ... and He reconciled Himself to mankind through the death of His Son.

The believer (the party of the second part) is reconciled at the time he or she believes what God says. At that point, both parties (God and the believer) came to the same position (both God and the person are reconciled ... i.e. Greek katallássō).

the Purpose of His Death was in order to bring us to God, which is another way of saying reconciling us to God experimentally in a conversion experience.

um ... nope ... just more of your twisting of words.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring [Greek prosagō] us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit

in 1 Peter 3:18 the words "He might bring" are translated from the Greek word prosagó.

the word "reconciling" is translated from the Greek word katallássō.

and, despite your wishful thinking, they are not one and the same ... nor are they interchangeable.

The Greek word prosagó means to open a way of access for one to God. prosagó is used of a person who brings another into the presence of a third party.

when God says prosagō, He means prosagō ... when God says katallássō, He means katallássō

and as I have already explained to you here, 1 Peter 3:18 is speaking of those who are already born again ... the Lord Jesus Christ does not bring unbelievers into the heavenly Holy of Holies. Only believers [those who are already katallássō] have access to God (and the believer's only access to God is in the Lord Jesus Christ):

Romans 5:1-2 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

please note, the word "access" in vs 2 is translated from the Greek word prosagógé ... closely related to the Greek word prosagó used in 1 Peter 3:18.

prosagó is used of a person who brings another into the presence of a third party.

prosagógé describes someone’s being introduced or given access to another. In classical Greek the noun form prosagógé refers to the one making the introduction.

for them he died

"for them He died" ... the Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind ... all descendants of Adam:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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... "experimentally [active participation]" is nothing but another example of your "opposition to the Truth after it has been explained".

what you call "experimentally [active participation] is plainly stated in Scripture as "faith" or "believing".

you make up outlandish terms ... such as "experimentally [active participation]" ... "total conversion experience !" ... in your total rejection of the truth of Scripture concerning faith / believing. Just believe what God says ... quit making stuff up because you don't like what the Author of Scripture tells you.





conversion takes place when a person believes. at that time reconciliation takes place because the person has changed his or her position.

I have already explained to you many times that the word "reconciled" is translated from the Greek word katallássō which means decisively change, as when two parties reconcile when coming ("changing") to the same position.

Reconciliation on the part of God to mankind took place before the foundation of the world.

Reconciliation on the part of man to God takes place at the time a person turns to God in faith ... at that point we are no longer enemies.

Those who reject God even as He reaches out to them remain enemies and are not reconciled to God ... not because God has not made provision for them, but because they reject that which God has provided for them to be reconciled to God.

God (the Party of the first part) established His eternal purpose in eternity past ... and He reconciled Himself to mankind through the death of His Son.

The believer (the party of the second part) is reconciled at the time he or she believes what God says. At that point, both parties (God and the believer) came to the same position (both God and the person are reconciled ... i.e. Greek katallássō).





um ... nope ... just more of your twisting of words.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring [Greek prosagō] us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit

in 1 Peter 3:18 the words "He might bring" are translated from the Greek word prosagó.

the word "reconciling" is translated from the Greek word katallássō.

and, despite your wishful thinking, they are not one and the same ... nor are they interchangeable.

The Greek word prosagó means to open a way of access for one to God. prosagó is used of a person who brings another into the presence of a third party.

when God says prosagō, He means prosagō ... when God says katallássō, He means katallássō

and as I have already explained to you here, 1 Peter 3:18 is speaking of those who are already born again ... the Lord Jesus Christ does not bring unbelievers into the heavenly Holy of Holies. Only believers [those who are already katallássō] have access to God (and the believer's only access to God is in the Lord Jesus Christ):

Romans 5:1-2 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

please note, the word "access" in vs 2 is translated from the Greek word prosagógé ... closely related to the Greek word prosagó used in 1 Peter 3:18.

prosagó is used of a person who brings another into the presence of a third party.

prosagógé describes someone’s being introduced or given access to another. In classical Greek the noun form prosagógé refers to the one making the introduction.





"for them He died" ... the Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind ... all descendants of Adam:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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More opposition to the saving death of Christ, which converts them He died for to God.

 

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them He died for

"them He died for" ... the Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind ... all descendants of Adam:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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"them He died for" ... the Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind ... all descendants of Adam:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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More opposition to the Truth !

 

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Christ has already died their second death !

Those who go into perdition are going into the second death Rev 20:14

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

This second death is no more than the wages of sin, for the wages of sin is death Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Ezk 18:4

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

But the good news for some is this Isa 53:12

Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

In this, His Soul was as if it was the souls of Many, the many he bare their sin, and His death was as to say the death of many, even the second death of many for the wages of their sins !

Listen, the Eternal Wrath and Damnation and Suffering for sin that their sin/sins deserved, has been accomplished by Christ. Yes Christ their Mediator Surety, for those He specifically died for, has in His Own Soul and Body, bare the punishment, hell, second death, torture of soul due to the sins of all those He died for, God's Elect, His Sheep, the Church !

The giving/pouring out of His Soul Isa 53:12 was and did include the Second Death .

This said, for any that Christ died for to be part of these Rev 20:12-15

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

For them to be one of any of those to be cast into the Lake of fire, which clearly is the second death so says Vs 14 , it would be Injustice on God's Part and a disregard for what His Son endured already for those He died for ! 39

 

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@reneweddaybyday

"them He died for" ... the Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind ... all descendants of Adam:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

Now if we say that Christ died for all without exception, and for many who never become experimentally reconciled to God in a conversion experience, then we are teaching against what the Death of Christ accomplished for them He died as it is taught in the scripture. We deny the reconciling effects of the death of Christ, that it not only reconciled God to us, but us to God as well !

 

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Now if we say that Christ died for all without exception, and for many who never become experimentally reconciled to God in a conversion experience, then we are teaching against what the Death of Christ accomplished for them He died as it is taught in the scripture. We deny the reconciling effects of the death of Christ, that it not only reconciled God to us, but us to God as well !

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

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1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Now if we say that Christ died for all without exception, and for many who never become experimentally reconciled to God in a conversion experience, then we are teaching against what the Death of Christ accomplished for them He died as it is taught in the scripture. We deny the reconciling effects of the death of Christ, that it not only reconciled God to us, but us to God as well !

 

[John146]

Now if we say that Christ died for all without exception, and for many who never become experimentally reconciled to God in a conversion experience, then we are teaching against what the Death of Christ accomplished for them He died as it is taught in the scripture. We deny the reconciling effects of the death of Christ, that it not only reconciled God to us, but us to God as well !

Not if you have the biblical stance that Christ died for all, but the atonement is only placed upon those that believe. He is the Savior of all men, especially those that believe.

Are you under the assumption that "the whole world" means the world of some "elect" group?

 

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Not if you have the biblical stance that Christ died for all, but the atonement is only placed upon those that believe. He is the Savior of all men, especially those that believe.

Are you under the assumption that "the whole world" means the world of some "elect" group?

Here is my stance friend:

Now if we say that Christ died for all without exception, and for many who never become experimentally reconciled to God in a conversion experience, then we are teaching against what the Death of Christ accomplished for them He died as it is taught in the scripture. We deny the reconciling effects of the death of Christ, that it not only reconciled God to us, but us to God as well !

 

[John146]

Here is my stance friend:

Now if we say that Christ died for all without exception, and for many who never become experimentally reconciled to God in a conversion experience, then we are teaching against what the Death of Christ accomplished for them He died as it is taught in the scripture. We deny the reconciling effects of the death of Christ, that it not only reconciled God to us, but us to God as well !

This is your logic, but it's not scripture. Scripture states that the "reconciling effects of the death of Christ" is for all and upon all them that believe.

Calvinism is an offshoot of the Greek philosophy fatalism. It infiltrated the RCC and now many protestant denominations.

 

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This is your logic, but it's not scripture. Scripture states that the "reconciling effects of the death of Christ" is for all and upon all them that believe.

Calvinism is an offshoot of the Greek philosophy fatalism. It infiltrated the RCC and now many protestant denominations.

Its scriptural but you cant receive it, may God have mercy on you

 

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12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Look at the last few words in both of the above verses ... "according to their works". Notice that these folks are judged according to their own works. The reason some folks will be judged according to their own works is because they rejected God's provision ... the Lord Jesus Christ ... remission of sins is attained only through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ

Romans 3:24-25 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God

it doesn't matter how "good" a person is ... his or her works will never save ... if a person is judged according to their own works, it is because they have rejected the only provision God has established for remission of sins.
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Now if we say that Christ died for all without exception, and for many who never become experimentally reconciled to God in a conversion experience

... "experimentally reconciled to God in a conversion experience" ... more of your unScriptural nonsense. You're making up conditions which do not align with what the Author of Scripture has written.

then we are teaching against what the Death of Christ accomplished for them He died as it is taught in the scripture.

"for them He died as it is taught in the scripture" ... here's what is "taught in the scripture" ...

the Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind ... all descendants of Adam:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

... that is what is "taught in the scripture" and when you believe what is "taught in the scripture" you will be ... what is you call it??? ... oh yeah, "experimentally reconciled to God in a conversion experience".

We deny the reconciling effects of the death of Christ, that it not only reconciled God to us, but us to God as well !

I have explained to you many times reconciliation as revealed in Scripture.

The Greek word katallássō (translated into the English word "reconciliation") means decisively change, as when two parties reconcile when coming ("changing") to the same position.

Reconciliation on the part of God to mankind took place before the foundation of the world.

Reconciliation on the part of man to God takes place at the time a person turns to God in faith ... at that point we are no longer enemies.

Those who reject God even as He reaches out to them remain enemies and are not reconciled to God ... not because God has not made provision for them, but because they reject that which God has provided for them to be reconciled to God.

God (the Party of the first part) established His eternal purpose in eternity past ... and He reconciled Himself to mankind through the death of His Son.

The believer (the party of the second part) is reconciled at the time he or she believes what God says. At that point, both parties (God and the believer) came to the same position (both God and the person are reconciled ... i.e. Greek katallássō).


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Look at the last few words in both of the above verses ... "according to their works". Notice that these folks are judged according to their own works. The reason some folks will be judged according to their own works is because they rejected God's provision ... the Lord Jesus Christ ... remission of sins is attained only through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ

Romans 3:24-25 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God

it doesn't matter how "good" a person is ... his or her works will never save ... if a person is judged according to their own works, it is because they have rejected the only provision God has established for remission of sins.
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Those for whom Christ died cannot go into the second death, for He for them has abolished death. 2 Tim 2:10

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Now for one of them to go into the second death would be a miscarriage of Justice.