This question is for Pretribulational advocates but anybody can chime in.

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oyster67

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Was Peter among those to whom Jesus was speaking in John chapter 14?
Umm, yes...

John 21:18-19

"Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not. This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me."
...and your point is????

Jesus explained to Peter how he would die when he was old.
Yes, and your point is????

Of course, Peter did not believe in an imminent rapture either.
Not sure you understand what "imminent" means. (Hate to say it... but I did.)

When we say "imminent", we don't mean "before Peter died". When the pre-Trib Rapture happens, we will be right there on Peter's coat-tails...

1 Thessalonians 4:16
“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:”
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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So let me get this straight. Your going to be up in heaven feasting on Lamb chops with Jesus while all hell is breaking loose here on earth going through the great tribulation. Well I guess that makes sense only to the Biblically ignorant.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Of course, according to their fairy tale, the tribulation saints will not be able to pray to God during that timeframe because the only mediator between God and men, Jesus Christ, will be gorging himself for 7 years (they do not even have the amount of years correct in their fairy tale) while having abandoned his seat at the Father's right hand.

It is utter nonsense, but. like you suggested, the biblically ignorant love it.
 

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oyster67

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https://www.dictionary.com/browse/imminent

imminent
[ im-uh-nuhnt ]SHOW IPA


See synonyms for imminent on Thesaurus.com
adjective
  1. likely to occur at any moment; impending: Her death is imminent.
Peter did not believe that the rapture was likely to occur at any moment.
"Any moment" does not imply "The very next moment". It means that nothing need precede it. It means nothing is preventing it.

Pre-tribbers do not demand that the Rapture happen in their lifetimes. Did you think we all believed that??? :confused:
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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"Any moment" does not imply "The very next moment". It means that nothing need precede it. It means nothing is preventing it.

Pre-tribbers do not demand that the Rapture happen in their lifetimes. Did you think we all believed that??? :confused:
Are you reading your own posts?

Peter's death obviously needed to precede it.
 

bluto

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Of course, according to their fairy tale, the tribulation saints will not be able to pray to God during that timeframe because the only mediator between God and men, Jesus Christ, will be gorging himself for 7 years (they do not even have the amount of years correct in their fairy tale) while having abandoned his seat at the Father's right hand.

It is utter nonsense, but. like you suggested, the biblically ignorant love it.
What gets me is the fact that in all these discussions as it relates to the rapture they always bring up 1 Thessalonians 5:9. You know, "For God has not destined us for wrath." Which means we will be raptured to avoid God's wrath. Please read my post #39 where I explain how they are taking the verse out of context. Tell me what you think! And keep up the good work.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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What gets me is the fact that in all these discussions as it relates to the rapture they always bring up 1 Thessalonians 5:9. You know, "For God has not destined us for wrath." Which means we will be raptured to avoid God's wrath. Please read my post #39 where I explain how they are taking the verse out of context. Tell me what you think! And keep up the good work.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
You can back up several verses to verse 2 to easily refute their heresy.

1 Thessalonians 5:2

"For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night."

Compare this to what Jesus said here:

Rev 16:1
And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
Rev 16:2
And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
Rev 16:3
And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
Rev 16:4
And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
Rev 16:5
And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
Rev 16:6
For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
Rev 16:7
And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
Rev 16:8
And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
Rev 16:9
And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
Rev 16:10
And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
Rev 16:11
And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
Rev 16:12
And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Rev 16:13
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15
Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

As the sixth angel is pouring out his vial of the wrath of God, Jesus has still not "come as a thief" (vs. 15).

Of course, the mark of the beast and his image are already here (vs. 2) prior to Christ's coming as a thief, and so are the seat of the beast and his kingdom (vs. 10).
 

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I must lovingly warn you that you are coming close to blasphemy.
Thanks for the laugh.

I know Jesus Christ, and he knows me.

You, on the other hand, are definitely guilty of heresy.

I would solemnly advise you to repent.
 

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I must lovingly warn you that you are coming close to blasphemy.
Btw, thanks for only quoting part of my comment to make it sound as if I believe that nonsense.

That is your nonsensical belief, and not mine.
 

seekingthemindofChrist

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Nothing needing to precede it does not mean nothing will precede it.

Your Kung Fu is weak. :geek:
Please tell me that you are joking.

Is it possible that you do not realize how wrong the imminency belief is?

In this simple example, Jesus obviously could not have returned prior to Peter's death, so his return was not imminent.

If you cannot understand or acknowledge this, then I truly feel sorry for you.
 

Nehemiah6

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Peter knew that he was going to die prior to being raptured, so there goes your "imminency" heresy right down the toilet...which is exactly where it belongs.
You are crude, and rude, and arrogant. Also stupid.