Miracle workers who couldn't heal themselves!!!

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Miracle workers who couldn't heal themselves!!!

  1. John Osteen, Word of Faith mega-church pastor in Houston - his wife, Dodie got liver cancer and through the mercy of God and medical attention survived.
  2. Frederick K. Price, Word of Faith mega-church pastor in Los Angeles - his wife, Betty got cancer and was medically treated (chemo-therapy) and by the mercy of God was patched up.
  3. Jamie Buckingham, Discipleship Movement & charismatic author - died of cancer. Jamies too was under a medical doctors care.
  4. Charles Capps, Word of Faith teacher, teaches power of our words to create reality - his wife got cancer and was medically treated.
  5. John Wimber, Signs & Wonders Movement, author of "Power Healing," - just died from cancer. He too, was medically treated - no "power" healing for him, only chemo-therapy.
  6. Mack Timberlake, Word of Faith pastor - suffering from throat cancer, getting medical attention.
  7. R.W. Schambach, Faith Healer - got a quadruple heart bypass (from a real live human doctor)
  8. Dr. Hobart Freeman, Word of Faith teacher & pastor of Faith Assembly - over 90 people died in his church following his teaching and then Hobart died due to a medically treatable disease.
  9. Prophet Keith Grayton, Prophetic Movement - died of the complications of AIDS
    He spoke at our Church in Detroit, and declared he was totally healed. He died a year or so later.
  10. Kenneth Hagin, "father" of the Word of Faith Movement - sister died of cancer, (he wears glasses)
    Hagin's great faith and special anointing could not keep her on the planet.
  11. Katherine Khulman - an acknowledged divine healer DIED from heart disease in Ann Arbor Michigan.
    A.A. Allen - an acknowledged divine healer and exorcist DIED from alcohol & drug abuse.
    Aimee Semple McPherson - an acknowledge divine healer - died of a barbituate overdose. Why was she taking pills in the first place? Wasn't the "peace" of God enough for her?
    Jack Coe - an acknowledged divine healer DIED from disease.

Miracle workers who couldn't heal at all!

"Heal! I say, HEEAALL! Why don't you get up? Rise and walk you sinner, if you would confess, you wouldn't be crippled! If you don't have the faith to get up and walk...you deserve to be stuck right there!" so says Ken Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, and other health, wealth, & prosperity teachers who claim to teach Biblical Christianity, but do they?.... Copeland goes on..."When I read in the Bible where He [God] says "I AM", I just smile and say, 'Yes, I AM too.'" (Believer's Voice of Victory Broadcast, 7/9/1987) "God intends for His people to be united, and, that union won't be based on doctrine [the Bible]" (Copeland - Believer's Voice... - 12/88).


The Pensacola News Journal. No medical proof of 'miraculous healings' Church does not keep records, Nov 20, 1997
By Kimberly Blair News Journal staff writer

PENSACOLA -Night after night, revival leaders tell the crowds that healings are occurring and growing more powerful. "I know now that we could all get to the place where the dead are raised," evangelist Steve Hill said in a November 1996 article in "Ministries Today," a magazine for Christian leaders. "We 're seeing miraculous healings, cancerous tumors disappear and drug addicts immediately delivered."

But the Brownsville Revival has not provided medical documentation of spontaneous healing and does not keep a file of names of people who say they were healed.

The News Journal found several people who say their conditions were healed or improved as a direct result of the revival, but none had medical proof.

Most stories are anecdotal. For example, Dave Collins, a charter bus owner from Oklahoma City, told the News Journal that a woman who rode on his bus brought her daughter to the revival to cure a rare disease that caused her daughter 's foot to turn backwards.

"The doctor was about to have the foot amputated. They went to revival and had an anointing healing service. The foot straightened out," Collins said.

No records

The News Journal could not interview the woman because Collins would not give her name or address. The church said it did not have her name because it does not keep records of the healings.

Many Brownsville Revival regulars and staff members believe the revival is on the brink of a breakthrough into wide-scale healings.

Brownsville church business administrator Rose Compton said she believes the healings will start very close to home, with pastor John Kilpatrick being miraculously healed from the injuries he suffered in a fall from the second story at his new house in Seminole, Ala., on Sept. 17.

His healing will signal the beginning of mass healings, she said.

Kilpatrick, however, told the News Journal during an interview three weeks ago that he is not being miraculously healed.

His medical records, which he permitted his doctor to release to the News Journal, confirm that. They show that his injuries are progressing at normal speed.

Kilpatrick did say, however, that many other people were being cured and healed at the revival.

"We have noticed more and more sick people coming in and saying their pain is leaving. We have had people healed of different things," he said. "Some of it is on video tapes."

Compton gave the News Journal one videotaped testimonial produced by a Lima, Ohio, Christian television program, "Turning Point." On the video, Lima resident Sandy Cornell, 44, says she "grew a new esophagus" after attending the revival earlier this year. Her husband, Clarence, asked the News Journal not to call her doctor for verification.

In another case, Rose Elrod, 61, of Oklahoma City told the News Journal she was healed of pancreatitis after attending the revival in September. "I 've been in and out of the hospital 20 times in the last couple of years," she said. "I was in constant pain and couldn 't eat anything." Friday, her third day at the revival, evangelist Steve Hill prayed for her, Elrod said, and she was slain in the spirit. "I laid on the floor 45 minutes with my hand raised," she said. "When I got up I was healed. You are talking about a woman who could hardly make a bed, clean my house, cook or eat. I couldn 't stand." She said she has talked to, but has not been examined by her physician, Dr. James Hogin, since the healing. Hogin, a gastroenterologist at Brookwood Medical Center in Oklahoma City, said he wants to see her. He wants to determine whether she is indeed improved or if she is undergoing a placebo effect.

God 's healing verifiable

"God 's healing is always verifiable," Hogin said. "With true healings, it is not that hard to confirm."

Essie Cox, 75, of Atmore, Ala., told the News Journal that six doctors at two different hospitals in Pensacola and Mobile told her she needed heart bypass surgery to unblock clogged arteries.

"I was prayed for on Saturday, Aug. 2, 1997. I didn 't feel anything immediately. I felt kind of woozy like," Cox said. "My husband kept telling me, 'You are healed.

Three days later, she woke up and felt a complete change, she said. "I had claimed the healing in my heart. I knew I was healed," she said.

Since the revival, Cox said, she has had very few problems with her heart. She is continuing to take her usual dosage of two kinds of heart medication and blood pressure medication, but she said she no longer takes daily nitroglycerin.

Cox 's doctor, Dr. J. Andrew Morrow Jr., with Cardiology Associates in Mobile, said the bypass surgery Cox talked about was an elective surgery and not a necessary procedure needed to maintain Cox 's health.
 

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Jamie Buckingham, Discipleship Movement & charismatic author - died of cancer. Jamies too was under a medical doctors care.
Jamie wanted to go. He had been given a vision of what awaited him on the other side. He found Earth to be a foul puddle of filth in comparison to Heaven.

Jesus Himself was mocked for not healing Himself.
Luke 4:23
“And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.”
 

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We mustn't forget Beni Johnson, wife of Bill Johnson who claims all the miracle-working powers of Christ (including raising the dead); but he could neither heal his wife's cancer nor raise her from the dead. Astounding how people are taken in by this.
 

JaumeJ

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We mustn't forget Beni Johnson, wife of Bill Johnson who claims all the miracle-working powers of Christ (including raising the dead); but he could neither heal his wife's cancer nor raise her from the dead. Astounding how people are taken in by this.
When I was younger, and something would happen, like hearing my skin sizzled when I picked up an iron skillet wrongly with sudden pain, I would simply say, "Thank You Jesus," and there no longer was a pain nor a burn.
Now I am old, and whenever anything happens to me, like sudden symptoms of osteoarthritis or cervical arthrosis, or a jump in my loss of sight, I say the same, and I have learned that at my age, I should and do yet say, thank You Jesus, and the response is nothing, I consider it the Lord saying, " you are a step closer to being here with me." It is a joy.
So, it is possible, though not with certainty, that these folks are learning to truly understand,"Thy will be done." It is a beautiful understanding from Jesus Yeshua, Himself, in the garden.
 

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When I was younger, and something would happen, like hearing my skin sizzled when I picked up an iron skillet wrongly with sudden pain, I would simply say, "Thank You Jesus," and there no longer was a pain nor a burn.
Now I am old, and whenever anything happens to me, like sudden symptoms of osteoarthritis or cervical arthrosis, or a jump in my loss of sight, I say the same, and I have learned that at my age, I should and do yet say, thank You Jesus, and the response is nothing, I consider it the Lord saying, " you are a step closer to being here with me." It is a joy.
So, it is possible, though not with certainty, that these folks are learning to truly understand,"Thy will be done." It is a beautiful understanding from Jesus Yeshua, Himself, in the garden.
While I appreciate your stories, what we're talking about here are "faith healers" who claim all kinds of wonder-working powers they don't have. Of course God heals and answers prayer; but He doesn't authorize con artists.
 

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2Kings 13v14,21: "Elisha had become sick with the illness of which he would die...So it was, as they were burying a man, that suddenly they spied a band of raiders; and they put the man in the tomb of Elisha; and when the man was let down and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived and stood on his feet."

Sickness can be one of the ways that God takes an individual saint home!

Also notice how Elisha's bones had more than enough divine power residing in them (and quite some time after his death) to raise a person from the dead!

That's a real challenge to the Body of Christ today!
 

shittim

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This whole thread is bogus, no grasp of the reality of how God works is in this.
John Wimber was closer to the Lord than any I see who have posted here.
It is easier to see God move in healing for a stranger than a family member since you know all the reasons He shouldn't.
Even our friend Nehemiah, as on track as he is, posts as though it is the persons own power that heals, NT is very clear it is the Father working through the believer who has offered themselves and been accepted, to be the intermediary.
Jesus received the baptism of John and the Father spoke, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased", did anyone here receive the same when they were baptized?
Much more could have been gained by focusing on the persons own walk than posting huge and obvious misunderstandings of scripture.
best wishes
 

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2Kings 13v14,21: "Elisha had become sick with the illness of which he would die...So it was, as they were burying a man, that suddenly they spied a band of raiders; and they put the man in the tomb of Elisha; and when the man was let down and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived and stood on his feet."

Sickness can be one of the ways that God takes an individual saint home!

Also notice how Elisha's bones had more than enough divine power residing in them (and quite some time after his death) to raise a person from the dead!

That's a real challenge to the Body of Christ today!

Indeed, although it was not a part of His original plan, we were intended to know and walk with our Father in relationship, that was the plan, and when we have completed our work we would go home to Him, sin got in the way and living in this sin filled world is where some of the corruption originates.
Elisha's bones still retaining the Holy Spirit power should show the ignorant it is not the person who "heals"
best wishes
 

JaumeJ

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While I appreciate your stories, what we're talking about here are "faith healers" who claim all kinds of wonder-working powers they don't have. Of course God heals and answers prayer; but He doesn't authorize con artists.
Not certain, but I believe we are addressing the subject on different levels. God bless you always.
 

shittim

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Until RA gets right in his walk it will always be so.
I have not seen any growth in some of these folks in the years I have been here.
blessings
 

ResidentAlien

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Not certain, but I believe we are addressing the subject on different levels. God bless you always.
Don't know where you got that idea, with a title like "Miracle workers who couldn't heal themselves!!!" It never fails though, when someone starts a post exposing fake miracle workers people will try to turn it into a "You don't believe in miracles!" thread. This one won't be any different I expect.
 

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Miracle workers who couldn't heal themselves!!!

  1. John Osteen, Word of Faith mega-church pastor in Houston - his wife, Dodie got liver cancer and through the mercy of God and medical attention survived.
  2. Frederick K. Price, Word of Faith mega-church pastor in Los Angeles - his wife, Betty got cancer and was medically treated (chemo-therapy) and by the mercy of God was patched up.
  3. Jamie Buckingham, Discipleship Movement & charismatic author - died of cancer. Jamies too was under a medical doctors care.
  4. Charles Capps, Word of Faith teacher, teaches power of our words to create reality - his wife got cancer and was medically treated.
  5. John Wimber, Signs & Wonders Movement, author of "Power Healing," - just died from cancer. He too, was medically treated - no "power" healing for him, only chemo-therapy.
  6. Mack Timberlake, Word of Faith pastor - suffering from throat cancer, getting medical attention.
  7. R.W. Schambach, Faith Healer - got a quadruple heart bypass (from a real live human doctor)
  8. Dr. Hobart Freeman, Word of Faith teacher & pastor of Faith Assembly - over 90 people died in his church following his teaching and then Hobart died due to a medically treatable disease.
  9. Prophet Keith Grayton, Prophetic Movement - died of the complications of AIDS
    He spoke at our Church in Detroit, and declared he was totally healed. He died a year or so later.
  10. Kenneth Hagin, "father" of the Word of Faith Movement - sister died of cancer, (he wears glasses)
    Hagin's great faith and special anointing could not keep her on the planet.
  11. Katherine Khulman - an acknowledged divine healer DIED from heart disease in Ann Arbor Michigan.
    A.A. Allen - an acknowledged divine healer and exorcist DIED from alcohol & drug abuse.
    Aimee Semple McPherson - an acknowledge divine healer - died of a barbituate overdose. Why was she taking pills in the first place? Wasn't the "peace" of God enough for her?
    Jack Coe - an acknowledged divine healer DIED from disease.

Miracle workers who couldn't heal at all!

"Heal! I say, HEEAALL! Why don't you get up? Rise and walk you sinner, if you would confess, you wouldn't be crippled! If you don't have the faith to get up and walk...you deserve to be stuck right there!" so says Ken Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, and other health, wealth, & prosperity teachers who claim to teach Biblical Christianity, but do they?.... Copeland goes on..."When I read in the Bible where He [God] says "I AM", I just smile and say, 'Yes, I AM too.'" (Believer's Voice of Victory Broadcast, 7/9/1987) "God intends for His people to be united, and, that union won't be based on doctrine [the Bible]" (Copeland - Believer's Voice... - 12/88).


The Pensacola News Journal. No medical proof of 'miraculous healings' Church does not keep records, Nov 20, 1997
By Kimberly Blair News Journal staff writer

PENSACOLA -Night after night, revival leaders tell the crowds that healings are occurring and growing more powerful. "I know now that we could all get to the place where the dead are raised," evangelist Steve Hill said in a November 1996 article in "Ministries Today," a magazine for Christian leaders. "We 're seeing miraculous healings, cancerous tumors disappear and drug addicts immediately delivered."

But the Brownsville Revival has not provided medical documentation of spontaneous healing and does not keep a file of names of people who say they were healed.

The News Journal found several people who say their conditions were healed or improved as a direct result of the revival, but none had medical proof.

Most stories are anecdotal. For example, Dave Collins, a charter bus owner from Oklahoma City, told the News Journal that a woman who rode on his bus brought her daughter to the revival to cure a rare disease that caused her daughter 's foot to turn backwards.

"The doctor was about to have the foot amputated. They went to revival and had an anointing healing service. The foot straightened out," Collins said.

No records

The News Journal could not interview the woman because Collins would not give her name or address. The church said it did not have her name because it does not keep records of the healings.

Many Brownsville Revival regulars and staff members believe the revival is on the brink of a breakthrough into wide-scale healings.

Brownsville church business administrator Rose Compton said she believes the healings will start very close to home, with pastor John Kilpatrick being miraculously healed from the injuries he suffered in a fall from the second story at his new house in Seminole, Ala., on Sept. 17.

His healing will signal the beginning of mass healings, she said.

Kilpatrick, however, told the News Journal during an interview three weeks ago that he is not being miraculously healed.

His medical records, which he permitted his doctor to release to the News Journal, confirm that. They show that his injuries are progressing at normal speed.

Kilpatrick did say, however, that many other people were being cured and healed at the revival.

"We have noticed more and more sick people coming in and saying their pain is leaving. We have had people healed of different things," he said. "Some of it is on video tapes."

Compton gave the News Journal one videotaped testimonial produced by a Lima, Ohio, Christian television program, "Turning Point." On the video, Lima resident Sandy Cornell, 44, says she "grew a new esophagus" after attending the revival earlier this year. Her husband, Clarence, asked the News Journal not to call her doctor for verification.

In another case, Rose Elrod, 61, of Oklahoma City told the News Journal she was healed of pancreatitis after attending the revival in September. "I 've been in and out of the hospital 20 times in the last couple of years," she said. "I was in constant pain and couldn 't eat anything." Friday, her third day at the revival, evangelist Steve Hill prayed for her, Elrod said, and she was slain in the spirit. "I laid on the floor 45 minutes with my hand raised," she said. "When I got up I was healed. You are talking about a woman who could hardly make a bed, clean my house, cook or eat. I couldn 't stand." She said she has talked to, but has not been examined by her physician, Dr. James Hogin, since the healing. Hogin, a gastroenterologist at Brookwood Medical Center in Oklahoma City, said he wants to see her. He wants to determine whether she is indeed improved or if she is undergoing a placebo effect.

God 's healing verifiable

"God 's healing is always verifiable," Hogin said. "With true healings, it is not that hard to confirm."

Essie Cox, 75, of Atmore, Ala., told the News Journal that six doctors at two different hospitals in Pensacola and Mobile told her she needed heart bypass surgery to unblock clogged arteries.

"I was prayed for on Saturday, Aug. 2, 1997. I didn 't feel anything immediately. I felt kind of woozy like," Cox said. "My husband kept telling me, 'You are healed.

Three days later, she woke up and felt a complete change, she said. "I had claimed the healing in my heart. I knew I was healed," she said.

Since the revival, Cox said, she has had very few problems with her heart. She is continuing to take her usual dosage of two kinds of heart medication and blood pressure medication, but she said she no longer takes daily nitroglycerin.

Cox 's doctor, Dr. J. Andrew Morrow Jr., with Cardiology Associates in Mobile, said the bypass surgery Cox talked about was an elective surgery and not a necessary procedure needed to maintain Cox 's health.
This is like the Jews who taunted Christ on the cross ... "He saved others, Himself He cannot saved"

They condemn themselves because they acknowledge that He did save.

The are folks missing from that list

Elisha who raised the dead but he died of illness
Peter whose shadow even brought healing needed to be dressed and carried in old age.
Lazarus who was raised from the dead must have eventually died from something.

It's a dumb argument because healing is something God does. It's a prophetic work, a foretaste of the powers of the age to come when there will be no sickness [why don't you glory?]

These people all cry with one voice "don't look to us, we are frail, we are human" Look to Jesus the Healer.
 

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When I was younger, and something would happen, like hearing my skin sizzled when I picked up an iron skillet wrongly with sudden pain, I would simply say, "Thank You Jesus," and there no longer was a pain nor a burn.
Now I am old, and whenever anything happens to me, like sudden symptoms of osteoarthritis or cervical arthrosis, or a jump in my loss of sight, I say the same, and I have learned that at my age, I should and do yet say, thank You Jesus, and the response is nothing, I consider it the Lord saying, " you are a step closer to being here with me." It is a joy.
So, it is possible, though not with certainty, that these folks are learning to truly understand,"Thy will be done." It is a beautiful understanding from Jesus Yeshua, Himself, in the garden.
I had cancer/ major surgery 25+ years ago. I thought “at last, I can go to glory”
😅
Nope.
Still here.

Psalm 18:30 KJV
As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.

1 Thessalonians 5:18 KJV
In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
 

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While I appreciate your stories, what we're talking about here are "faith healers" who claim all kinds of wonder-working powers they don't have. Of course God heals and answers prayer; but He doesn't authorize con artists.
As soon as you say "God heals and answers prayer" you open a can of worms. Who does He heal? on what basis does He heal? if He heals some of His children but not all that is as bad as Calvin.

Why would He not heal? since He has the power. Why would He not promise healing to everybody? ... wait a minute He does.

.... must be our human understanding that is at fault.

... you think?
 

Evmur

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I had cancer/ major surgery 25+ years ago. I thought “at last, I can go to glory”
😅
Nope.
Still here.

Psalm 18:30 KJV
As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.

1 Thessalonians 5:18 KJV
In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
dang :giggle:
 

ResidentAlien

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As soon as you say "God heals and answers prayer" you open a can of worms. Who does He heal? on what basis does He heal? if He heals some of His children but not all that is as bad as Calvin.

Why would He not heal? since He has the power. Why would He not promise healing to everybody? ... wait a minute He does.

.... must be our human understanding that is at fault.

... you think?
Sorry but I've heard all your Pentecostal nonsense before.
 

ResidentAlien

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This is like the Jews who taunted Christ on the cross ... "He saved others, Himself He cannot saved"

They condemn themselves because they acknowledge that He did save.

The are folks missing from that list

Elisha who raised the dead but he died of illness
Peter whose shadow even brought healing needed to be dressed and carried in old age.
Lazarus who was raised from the dead must have eventually died from something.

It's a dumb argument because healing is something God does. It's a prophetic work, a foretaste of the powers of the age to come when there will be no sickness [why don't you glory?]

These people all cry with one voice "don't look to us, we are frail, we are human" Look to Jesus the Healer.
There's a big difference between Elisha and Peter and the fake faith healers today. The former actually did miracles; the latter claim to do miracles but in reality they only pretend. For some unknown reason people believe them. The only thing I can figure is they want to believe so badly they're ripe targets for mass hypnosis. To anyone who isn't under their spell it very easy to see it's all hocus pocus.
 

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There's a big difference between Elisha and Peter and the fake faith healers today. The former actually did miracles; the latter claim to do miracles but in reality they only pretend. For some unknown reason people believe them. The only thing I can figure is they want to believe so badly they're ripe targets for mass hypnosis. To anyone who isn't under their spell it very easy to see it's all hocus pocus.
But when you have ministered healing, when you have witnessed incredible miracles, when you have received miraculous healing you know summit ... you don't know.