If God is the Authority of the Bible, why do Many Christians Continue to Believe Lies of the Mainstream Media?

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wolfwint

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Once again, stop changing the subject, we are talking about mandating an experimental vaccine. The law is very clear, it is illegal to mandate an experimental vaccine if there are viable treatments. Studies have proven that HCQ and Ivermectin are both effective, proven and safe treatments.

Second, if you do mandate an experimental vaccine you are required by law to provide all research on the vaccine in an insert when the person got the shot, they gave people a blank piece of paper. The reason they did that was because the research proved it was neither safe nor effective.

This isn't up for debate, the vaccine mandate was clearly and undeniably illegal.
Thats your view. And about HCQ and Ivermectin i can give you studies which saying the opposit.
 
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Gojira

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Maby we trust different media. Still is for me the virus more worse then the vaccine.

Thank you, that I must not leave my job for Pfizer 😉
There are many questionable things about these shots. We have young adults dying of heart problems. This was not happening at the rates we've seen them happen before these shots were being applied. A good friend of mine, with a healthy cardiovascular system, got a stroke one month after taking one of those shots.

The virus is not an airborne AIDS. The media and government want you to see it that way. Fear raises news ratings, and fear makes obedient citizens. But, while I do not take the virus lightly, I also do not fear it to the extent the powers that be want us to.

By the way... I hope no one called you a Nazi just because you're German. If so, you ought to report them to the site's admins.
 
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Gojira

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Thats your view. And about HCQ and Ivermectin i can give you studies which saying the opposit.
Our CDC is now saying that Ivermectin's a valid therapy for the virus -- after a few years of condemning it. We who said this were ripped and mocked by our news media, and here we are now proven correct.

This is why we distrust our mainstream news sources.

Don't let "existential crises" turn you into an obedient subject who surrenders his rights for "temporary" emergency powers. You'll see fascism all over again.
 

Adelia

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Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much. So speak, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
 

ZNP

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What is law, is normal in the hand of the government. And dont worry, i cant and dont want make you to take the vaccine.
One thing, only because I am a german, means not that I am a Nazi.
I was not referring to you being a german, I was referring to you saying that mandating a vaccine for a child that had almost no risk from the disease because it might benefit some hypothetical old person, that is the kind of justification fascists would give.

There are international conventions. The vaccine mandate violated them and was illegal.
 

ZNP

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Thats your view. And about HCQ and Ivermectin i can give you studies which saying the opposit.
Studies that have already been debunked should be tossed in the garbage.
 

wolfwint

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There are many questionable things about these shots. We have young adults dying of heart problems. This was not happening at the rates we've seen them happen before these shots were being applied. A good friend of mine, with a healthy cardiovascular system, got a stroke one month after taking one of those shots.

The virus is not an airborne AIDS. The media and government want you to see it that way. Fear raises news ratings, and fear makes obedient citizens. But, while I do not take the virus lightly, I also do not fear it to the extent the powers that be want us to.

By the way... I hope no one called you a Nazi just because you're German. If so, you ought to report them to the site's admins.
You know afterwards it is mostly easy to see which decision is right ore wrong.
I renember the pictures from New York and northern Italie in the beginning. Would you say there were fake?
I work in hospital, we had many covid patients. Never we had such mass on heavy cases with flu.
I have friends in india, which reported that many died because of not getting place in hospital.
Ivermectin and HCQ were in fact useless and has there own side effects.

That with your friend is sad, but this happend also with covid infectet people.

Many are seeing more in the virus/ vaccine as it is. And this I cant support.

That this whole situation pushed the useing of Digital Media and makes us more depend from this is obvious.
I believe that our future is in Gods hand and it will be come as he said.
Do we realy believe we could stop that the time of the Antichrist will come.
Nothing can separate us from God. No vaccine and no earthly power.
 

wolfwint

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Studies that have already been debunked should be tossed in the garbage.
Well, of course you can deny and accepting only your view. But then you are not objective.
 

ZNP

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Well, of course you can deny and accepting only your view. But then you are not objective.
That is absurd logic. We have randomized controlled trials, we have statistical analysis using millions of people worldwide. To then put forward some bogus study that is flawed and say "we have studies that say both things" doesn't make me biased for rejecting the flawed studies.
 

ZNP

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You know afterwards it is mostly easy to see which decision is right ore wrong.
I renember the pictures from New York and northern Italie in the beginning. Would you say there were fake?
I work in hospital, we had many covid patients. Never we had such mass on heavy cases with flu.
I have friends in india, which reported that many died because of not getting place in hospital.
Ivermectin and HCQ were in fact useless and has there own side effects.

That with your friend is sad, but this happend also with covid infectet people.

Many are seeing more in the virus/ vaccine as it is. And this I cant support.

That this whole situation pushed the useing of Digital Media and makes us more depend from this is obvious.
I believe that our future is in Gods hand and it will be come as he said.
Do we realy believe we could stop that the time of the Antichrist will come.
Nothing can separate us from God. No vaccine and no earthly power.
What a despicable argument. Today you are arguing that "hey we didn't know, hindsight is 20/20" yet two years ago it was "shut up tin foil hat conspiracy theorists, we are experts we know what we are doing"

We argued that the vaccines needed to be tested because we didn't know and we were attacked as loony anti vaxxers. We pointed out that in every case we saw this in history where previous vaccines had been claimed to be safe and effective but werent' and we were told "we are smarter now".

You will have to give account for every word that you have spoken.
 

wolfwint

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I was not referring to you being a german, I was referring to you saying that mandating a vaccine for a child that had almost no risk from the disease because it might benefit some hypothetical old person, that is the kind of justification fascists would give.

There are international conventions. The vaccine mandate violated them and was illegal.
If you use the term Nazi, then in first line germans are meant. Although you are right nazis/fascism is today not longer an german thing. You can find them worldwide. There is also an difference between nazcism and fascism. Nazcim meant the political system ore Ideologie between 1933-1945 in germany.

But what has fascism to do with the order to give an vaccine to anybody? If an goverment rule responsible, then he has in view all people. And in case of Covid they had to act quick. And for shure they are not free from wrong decisions. Afterwards it is almost easier to say what all was bad and wrong. And what would be better. But anyway you have your view.
Btw. The most vaccines you will get as child.
And dont forgot all the young people who died because of the virus.
 

wolfwint

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What a despicable argument. Today you are arguing that "hey we didn't know, hindsight is 20/20" yet two years ago it was "shut up tin foil hat conspiracy theorists, we are experts we know what we are doing"

We argued that the vaccines needed to be tested because we didn't know and we were attacked as loony anti vaxxers. We pointed out that in every case we saw this in history where previous vaccines had been claimed to be safe and effective but werent' and we were told "we are smarter now".

You will have to give account for every word that you have spoken.
I know. You cant compare the vaccine against Covid with any vaccine given in the history. Because this was the first time that an vaccine was given to such an number of people in such an short time.

This vaccine was testet. But as I said.
If you have the pictures from New York and north italy in your mind, which goverment would say we will wait 5-7 years before giving the vaccine?
In an normal case i would agree with you.
But in case of Covid I cant.
 

wolfwint

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That is absurd logic. We have randomized controlled trials, we have statistical analysis using millions of people worldwide. To then put forward some bogus study that is flawed and say "we have studies that say both things" doesn't make me biased for rejecting the flawed studies.
Its the question which statistic and study you believe.
 

wolfwint

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Our CDC is now saying that Ivermectin's a valid therapy for the virus -- after a few years of condemning it. We who said this were ripped and mocked by our news media, and here we are now proven correct.

This is why we distrust our mainstream news sources.

Don't let "existential crises" turn you into an obedient subject who surrenders his rights for "temporary" emergency powers. You'll see fascism all over again.
Tell me what is the different from the mainstream media to the media ( how you call them? ) which not belongs to the mainstream?
 
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Gojira

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Tell me what is the different from the mainstream media to the media ( how you call them? ) which not belongs to the mainstream?
Legacy media... NY Times, ABC News, NBC News, CNN, BBC, etc.
 
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Gojira

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If you use the term Nazi, then in first line germans are meant. Although you are right nazis/fascism is today not longer an german thing. You can find them worldwide. There is also an difference between nazcism and fascism. Nazcim meant the political system ore Ideologie between 1933-1945 in germany.

But what has fascism to do with the order to give an vaccine to anybody? If an goverment rule responsible, then he has in view all people. And in case of Covid they had to act quick. And for shure they are not free from wrong decisions. Afterwards it is almost easier to say what all was bad and wrong. And what would be better. But anyway you have your view.
Btw. The most vaccines you will get as child.
And dont forgot all the young people who died because of the virus.
Heh... I could respond to this, but I know ZNP has it covered, and will probably do a better job than I.
 

GaryA

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Tell me what is the different from the mainstream media to the media ( how you call them? ) which not belongs to the mainstream?
I believe the [general/generic] answer to your question is "alternate media" - the usual term to describe other-than-the-main-stream-media.
 

wolfwint

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I believe the [general/generic] answer to your question is "alternate media" - the usual term to describe other-than-the-main-stream-media.
Correct
 

wolfwint

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Legacy media... NY Times, ABC News, NBC News, CNN, BBC, etc.
This sounds me to be mainstream media, right?
So as garyA gave me the right word. What are then the alternate medias?